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Is It Illegal To Write On US Currency?  
User currently offlineVarigB707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

The other day, i came across a couple of dollar bills, stamped with the following : WHERESGEORGE.COM
Curious as i am, checked and it was an actual website, which tracks down the movement of US Currency. Funny stuff i might add. But the question still remain : Can these people write on a dollar bill?

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User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I think its the same as over here were you arent allowed to deface the queens face, so i guess itd mean as long as it isnt over the presidents face then they should be fine.

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User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3347 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 1):
I think its the same as over here were you arent allowed to deface the queens face, so i guess itd mean as long as it isnt over the presidents face then they should be fine.

The United States and the UK have different laws.

Quoting VarigB707 (Thread starter):
Funny stuff i might add. But the question still remain : Can these people write on a dollar bill?

No, I don't think you legally are. That's why the stopped selling stampers.

AAndrew


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 1):
I think its the same as over here were you arent allowed to deface the queens face, so i guess itd mean as long as it isnt over the presidents face then they should be fine

There is a regulation that says that it is illegal to deface US Currency, but it is rarely enforced. Mainly due to Freedom of Speech and Expression. I can take a $100 dollar bill and stand in front of the White House and write anything I want on it, then burn it to a crisp. The only thing a DC Police Officer will say is " You dummy, you just burned a $100 bill"

[Edited 2006-12-03 18:59:56]


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User currently offlineDuff44 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I think the 'defacing currency' law is more enforced in cases of alteration with counterfeiting intent, and not defacing for other reasons.

I've never heard of anyone being accused of defacing money who wasn't intentionally trying to alter it in some way.



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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 10 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Duff44 (Reply 4):
I think the 'defacing currency' law is more enforced in cases of alteration with counterfeiting intent, and not defacing for other reasons.

That is indeed the main reason for that law to exist. But it could at least in theory be used against people writing things on bills, especially if that writing is defamatory against the US or the dollar or makes the bill hard to distinguish from bills of a different value.



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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3853 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 10 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

"the 'defacing currency' law is more enforced in cases of alteration with counterfeiting intent"




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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 10 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 2):
The United States and the UK have different laws.

Hence...

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 1):
I think its the same as over here

Not the same as saying "it's definitely the same everywhere".  Smile

I'm sure it's illegal to deface money here, even if you don't deface the Queen's head, as the coins and notes belong to the Crown or Treasury. I guess if you were caught writing offensive remarks on a lot of notes, you might be banged to rights but I don't think it happens very often.

Defacing money might with the intent to defraud is more likely to result in a charge of, well, fraud, I would have thought.


User currently onlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3819 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Duff44 (Reply 4):
I think the 'defacing currency' law is more enforced in cases of alteration with counterfeiting intent

You mean like writing a "0" after the "10" on a 10 dollar bill so that people believe it's a 100 dollar bill?

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User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

its not illegal but if you rip more than 50% of the bill off its degrading goverment property. thats illegal


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User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting VarigB707 (Thread starter):
WHERESGEORGE.COM

I write that on almost every bill that comes my way. I try to put them all on that website too.
I don't use paper money alot so doing that doesnt take much time anyway.


User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4896 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Store clerks make a mark on dollar bills to check for counterfeit...


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User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

recall in the late 80s beginning 90s in lebanon, when u paid in 100 dollar bills they usually write ur contact number on it, or they photocopy the note and have ur contact next to the bill on the A4 sheet


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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3):
The only thing a DC Police Officer will say is " You dummy, you just burned a $100 bill"

Or cite you for littering . . .  wink 

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 9):
its not illegal but if you rip more than 50% of the bill off its degrading goverment property. thats illegal

 redflag  Did you just pull this outta your ass or what?  sarcastic 

. . . . . .

Here's the answer to the test 12 replies later . . .  sarcastic 

http://moneyfactory.gov/document.cfm/18/104


Defacement of Currency

Defacement of currency is a violation of Title 18, Section 333 of the United States Code. Under this provision, currency defacement is generally defined as follows: Whoever mutilates, cuts, disfigures, perforates, unites or cements together, or does any other thing to any bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt issued by any national banking association, Federal Reserve Bank, or Federal Reserve System, with intent to render such item(s) unfit to be reissued, shall be fined not more than $100 or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

Defacement of currency in such a way that it is made unfit for circulation comes under the jurisdiction of the United States Secret Service. Their mailing address is:

United States Secret Service
950 H Street, NW
Washington, DC 20223.

The United States Secret Service web address is http://www.secretservice.gov


User currently offlineBagpiper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 9):
its not illegal but if you rip more than 50% of the bill off its degrading goverment property. thats illegal

wtf?

How do they decide which side got ripped off??

If I tear off a tiny corner, say 2% of the bill, did I rip off that 2%, or the 98%??


User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 13):
Here's the answer to the test 12 replies later . .

Why thank you, Pep. I kept scrolling down as I was reading thinking "where is the punch line"

And on the topic of paper currency ~ I dealt with this guy in Vegas that wanted payment not in bank draft, not in cheque, not in cash but in BRICK GOLD.

Yes, BRICKS of GOLD. Oddly, his hat was made out of a much less valuable material. (and no this wasn't a drug deal although he personally consumed minerals until they consumed him)...


User currently offlineSoylentgreen From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 244 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Legal to write on, but illegal to photocopy in similar size. Permissible to photocopy in larger or smaller size, where it is clear than the copy is not legal tender. Also, bank must accept as long as at least 50% of bill present; at under 50%, it is no longer legal tender.

User currently offlineWSOY From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

The corresponding regulations on the Euro:
http://www.ecb.int/ecb/legal/pdf/l_07820030325en00160019.pdf


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3853 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

If I tear off a tiny corner, say 2% of the bill, did I rip off that 2%, or the 98%??

You ripped off two cents worth from a dollar bill!  Wink



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User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 13):
redflag Did you just pull this outta your ass or what? sarcastic

no i learned it in histroy

Quoting Bagpiper (Reply 14):

wtf?

How do they decide which side got ripped off??

If I tear off a tiny corner, say 2% of the bill, did I rip off that 2%, or the 98%??

if YOU rip the 50% if you rip the corner thats not ripping 50% off



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 19):
no i learned it in histroy

Source, please?

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 19):
histroy

But apparently not in spelling class?

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 19):
if YOU rip the 50% if you rip the corner thats not ripping 50% off



User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 20):
Source, please?

Mr. Moloney US History 2 Room 312 Cumberland High School

 sly 



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