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Former US Pres Jimmy Carter On Palestine  
User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1952 times:

I missed the interview the day it was to be aired, but just stumbled on this:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middl..._east/july-dec06/carter_11-28.html
The audio download is 4.36MB. The streaming video quality is quite good.

Here he is on CNN:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B48emCK2JcA&eurl=

I may actually get the book. Its just that my 'To Read' list is pretty large right now.

[Edited 2006-12-03 22:23:21]

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User currently offlineCairo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1916 times:

Jimmy Carter is the only president in modern times who is totally honest, he does not do or say anything based on opinion polls.

He is also of course a Nobel Laureate, a nuclear physicist, a devoted Christian, and the only US persident who is an expert on the Middle East.

His words are exactly right.

Cairo


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

Quoting Cairo (Reply 1):
He is also of course a Nobel Laureate, a nuclear physicist, a devoted Christian, and the only US persident who is an expert on the Middle East.

Self-proclaimed expert on the Middle East does not make him one. There is a reason why Jimmy Carter was a one-term President who went down in history as one of our worst. There is also a reason why he is basically ignored today. If Bill Clinton were to speak saying the stuff he says, it would be a major news story.

I'm currently taking a class on the modern American presidency. We were learning about Carter's years the other day and the professor said something that I thought quite funny/telling:

Carter was the type of President where if you were an important person in California and got a call saying "Come to Washington, the President wants to have dinner with you", the person would probably respond "Oh no thanks, it's too much of a hassle". That's the type of President Carter was.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40066 posts, RR: 74
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1895 times:

Quoting Cairo (Reply 1):
Jimmy Carter is the only president in modern times who is totally honest, he does not do or say anything based on opinion polls.

He is also of course a Nobel Laureate, a nuclear physicist, a devoted Christian, and the only US persident who is an expert on the Middle East.

His words are exactly right.

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User currently offlineDl757md From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1894 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 2):
Self-proclaimed expert on the Middle East does not make him one. There is a reason why Jimmy Carter was a one-term President who went down in history as one of our worst.

Yes, there is a reason Jimmy Carter was a one term president. "It's the economy stupid." Carter's efforts in the Middle East are nothing short of heroic. He did more than any other U.S. president to bring peace to the Middle East. It was his lack of attention to domestic matters that caused his defeat by Reagan. That and the failed hostage rescue attempt in Iran. He's absolutely right about the situation in Gaza and he realizes that the middle east and likely the world will never see peace until it is resolved. He's also right in that the ball is in Israel's court. They've reneged on most of the terms that have been agreed to in all the negotiations which has led to the regrettable if not predictable hostile reactions by the Palestinians. Time for them to step up and live up to the promises they've made.

DL757Md



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User currently offlineOU812 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1891 times:

Carter was & still is a knucklehead.

I listened this morning on Bloomberg radio when they had Carter on . After Carter finished , a Mid-east specialist , [ who was a Democrat ] came on to discuss what carter had to say . In short he said carter had no idea what he was talking about , carter refuses to debate people that are knowledgeable regarding the mid-east . Then went on to state that Carter is not anti-simedtic but anti American !


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1887 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 2):
There is a reason why Jimmy Carter was a one-term President who went down in history as one of our worst. There is also a reason why he is basically ignored today. If Bill Clinton were to speak saying the stuff he says, it would be a major news story.

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Quoting RJpieces (Reply 2):
Carter was the type of President where if you were an important person in California and got a call saying "Come to Washington, the President wants to have dinner with you", the person would probably respond "Oh no thanks, it's too much of a hassle". That's the type of President Carter was.

Carter's presidency was doomed from the start. He brought in a staff that was completely unschooled in the way Washington worked, and was so unpopular by 1980 that he was challenged by a fellow democrat in the primary races.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1873 times:

Quoting Dl757md (Reply 4):
Carter's efforts in the Middle East are nothing short of heroic. He did more than any other U.S. president to bring peace to the Middle East.

What utter nonsense. What "peace" did he bring to the Middle East? A "peace treaty" with an Egyptian dictator who, instead of fighting Israel, spreads anti-semitic and anti-American propaganda? Some real durable "peace" he brought us...


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1848 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 2):
There is a reason why Jimmy Carter was a one-term President who went down in history as one of our worst.

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his work was apparently not geared to the US public. He in the longer term will get recognized as the "prophet not seen in his own country". He was NOT one of your worst , he was one of your best
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Quoting RJpieces (Reply 2):
he is basically ignored today.

he is the one ex USA president who is very much given attention to in Europe and in the Arab World, and is extremely well respected. No, he is NOT ignored, not at all.
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Quoting RJpieces (Reply 7):
Carter's efforts in the Middle East are nothing short of heroic. He did more than any other U.S. president to bring peace to the Middle East.
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What utter nonsense. What "peace" did he bring to the Middle East? A "peace treaty" with an Egyptian dictator who, instead of fighting Israel, spreads anti-semitic and anti-American propaganda?

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First of all, to denounce Messrs Nasr, Sadat and Mubarak as "dictator" in your way is unfair and widely beside the point. All three in fact DID have the people with them. The peace achieved by CampDavid-I is tremendous progress. It was not only that the Sina'i Peninsula came back to Egypt and that the Suez Canal (quite important to international shipping ! ) could be re-opened and extended / widened. It allowed Egypt to develop areas there into tourists-resorts of a prime order. And it allowed Egypt to repair the badly war-ravaged cities of Port-Sa'id, Isma'iliya and Su'ez and to make these cities into nice cities again. No longer horrible artillery battles along the Suez Canal, no longer that Bar-Lev-Line along the canal, no longer Israeli threats, no longer a vast part of the Egyptian budget spent on military rubbish. The CampDavid-I agreement opened the way to further developments like the peace-treaty of Jordan with Israel, the establishment of the Palestinian Authority, unthinkable before. It was the basic breakthrough. That Israeli intransigence of Messrs Netanyahu and Barak resulted in the Intifada and even in the parliamentary win of Hamas is deplorable, but with the next parliamentary elections in Palestine, even such things are subject to change.
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User currently offlineSolarix From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1834 times:

If Carter is such a Mid-East expert why did he allow some Iranian nut jobs to take control of our embassy for so long? I would have expected an expert to know how to handle a situation like that.

More hot air as usual.


User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1830 times:

Quoting OU812 (Reply 5):
Then went on to state that Carter is not anti-simedtic but anti American !

Haha, nice 'expert' you go there.

Everyone else-
Theres no use arguing with RJpieces either. Anyone who doesnt completely and blindly support Israel on everything is a moron...



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1816 times:

Quoting Solarix (Reply 9):
allow some Iranian nut jobs to take control of our embassy for so long? I would have expected an expert to know how to handle a situation like that.

This hostage-taking action came as a surprise, as it looks even to "experts" in Tehran. And one attempt to liberate the hostages by force was made, but failed. To liberate hostages is always a very difficult thing. Beside the point that the collapse of Imperial Iran came surprisingly swiftly. It is fashionable in many "parts" to blame the USA for that, which is wrong as it came about due to many mistakes of the Emperor, Reza Shah Pahlevi .
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Quoting RJpieces (Reply 7):
an Egyptian dictator who, instead of fighting Israel, spreads anti-semitic and anti-American propaganda?

neither did Sadat nor does Mubarak spread anti-Semitic or anti-American propaganda
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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1812 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 2):
Carter was the type of President where if you were an important person in California and got a call saying "Come to Washington, the President wants to have dinner with you", the person would probably respond "Oh no thanks, it's too much of a hassle". That's the type of President Carter was.

I lived in the US during part of the first year of the Carter reign and that is probaby close to the truth, but it was Americas loss if it is fair comment. He had a great deal to offer and to a great extent, the US was not smart enough to take what was on offer. Indeed as someone else remarked, not the first prophet in his own land.......

Quoting Dl757md (Reply 4):
He's also right in that the ball is in Israel's court. They've reneged on most of the terms that have been agreed to in all the negotiations which has led to the regrettable if not predictable hostile reactions by the Palestinians. Time for them to step up and live up to the promises they've made.

And Jimmy was the one who firmly put it there as a starter.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 8):

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I saw an interview that must have been based on the PBS one and the case argued by Carter was formidable. At least other parts of the world appreciate talent when they see it.


User currently offlineOU812 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1801 times:

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 10):
Theres no use arguing with RJpieces either. Anyone who doesnt completely and blindly support Israel on everything is a moron...

What did it for me was when Carter sat next to Michael Moore at the Democratic National convention .


User currently offlineDl757md From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1801 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 7):
What utter nonsense. What "peace" did he bring to the Middle East? A "peace treaty" with an Egyptian dictator who, instead of fighting Israel, spreads anti-semitic and anti-American propaganda? Some real durable "peace" he brought us...

I'm not going to argue with you. It's obvious you know more than a former U.S. president who has spent much time over the 25+ years since he left office dealing with this issue by Ummm....going there and seeing first-hand what is happening. Yes your professors/teachers feeding you information that they got from their only source - the U.S. news media is much more accurate. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid young one. It sure is sweet and tastes good but damned if doesn't do anything good for you.

DL757Md



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1798 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 8):
his work was apparently not geared to the US public.

Which is why he wasn't releected. He was elected to be the President of the United States, not the leader of the rest of the free world.

Ever heard of the term "all politics are local?" Jimmy Carter apparently didn't.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 8):
He in the longer term will get recognized as the "prophet not seen in his own country". He was NOT one of your worst , he was one of your best

In you opinion. Most American Presidential scholars disagree. As did the American public.

While he may have been a visionary on the international stage, he utterly failed to demonstrate to the voters of the US just how and why what he was doing internationally mattered to the US. So - even if he was "right" with regard to his intent, his failure to get that message across qualifies him as a failure.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 12):
I lived in the US during part of the first year of the Carter reign and that is probaby close to the truth, but it was Americas loss if it is fair comment. He had a great deal to offer and to a great extent, the US was not smart enough to take what was on offer. Indeed as someone else remarked, not the first prophet in his own land.......

Again, I think everyone abroad who is in love with Jimmy Carter is looking more at his post-presidential life - admittedly admirable - and ignoring just how miserable his performance was as president on the domestic front. And while he did have the Camp David success, all the supposed influence he had with the middle east sure didn't do him any good during the Iranian embassy takeover, did it?


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1792 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
Again, I think everyone abroad who is in love with Jimmy Carter is looking more at his post-presidential life - admittedly admirable - and ignoring just how miserable his performance was as president on the domestic front. And while he did have the Camp David success, all the supposed influence he had with the middle east sure didn't do him any good during the Iranian embassy takeover, did it?

Well, actually, I was comparing the first 6 months of Carter with the last 6 months of Ford because that was when I was resident in the US. During the campaign, in one of the debates, the sound went off for about 20 minutes and the two candidates stood at their rostrums barely daring to breath and as far as one could tell, not a word passed between them - odd.

So the impression was gained before his Camp David effort, although I did hear about them, it is the impression I am talking about.

One of the initial criticims made of Carter was that he was TOO local. I think there was basically a decision by some "opinion makers" to go for the jugular with a peanut farmer. But as I remarked, at least he did grow his own peanuts.

I think most of the negative wisdom is received wisdom, sent by some rather hostile folk. But heck, feel free to criticise the guy unfairly, that liberty is not needed for the currently incumbent!!!

The late spring/early summer of 77 was when the Nixon-Frost interviews were broadcast. Each night as they came on, a tornado blew into town. Almost enough to make you believe in divine intervention - but I think it was more living in tornado alley! I have a really nice photograph of one (tornado) at the end of the street.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1776 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
his work was apparently not geared to the US public.
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Which is why he wasn't releected. He was elected to be the President of the United States, not the leader of the rest of the free world.
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Ever heard of the term "all politics are local?" Jimmy Carter apparently didn't.

THIS more or less is what I had in mind. His efforts for the environment and for national parks were admired in Europe, but for sure hated by a majority of US-Americans. His initiatives for peace and more food etc around the globe were highly appreciated in many places, but far less so in his own country.
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Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
In you opinion. Most American Presidential scholars disagree. As did the American public.

I do NOT mean the US public now, the scholars now, I speak about the scholars in for instance in December 2063 .
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Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
I think everyone abroad who is in love with Jimmy Carter is looking more at his post-presidential life - admittedly admirable -

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NO, you are wrong, people outside the USA look at his presidency, while only few take note of his post-presidential endeavours

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
influence he had with the middle east sure didn't do him any good during the Iranian embassy takeover, did it?

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No, he HAD success with the Arab World and Israel, and learnt a lot about these countries, but had no clue about Iran. The other way round also exists. You certainly remember that "colonial governor" Mr Bremer, who went to Baghdad and caused widespread bewilderment. The man was a specialist for the area between Pakistan and Turkey, but quite obviously had not the slightest idea about the Arab World, and was outraged when the newly started provisional government as one of its first actions flew to Cairo to re-take the Iraqi seat in the League of Arab States. The man could not understand that this for them had priority. For reasons I canNOT understand, people in Washington regarded him as a specialist also for Iraq which he was NOT.
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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 17):
I do NOT mean the US public now, the scholars now, I speak about the scholars in for instance in December 2063 .

As I wrote, too early to tell.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1770 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 17):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
his work was apparently not geared to the US public.
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Which is why he wasn't reelected. He was elected to be the President of the United States, not the leader of the rest of the free world.
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Ever heard of the term "all politics are local?" Jimmy Carter apparently didn't.

THIS more or less is what I had in mind. His efforts for the environment and for national parks were admired in Europe, but for sure hated by a majority of US-Americans. His initiatives for peace and more food etc around the globe were highly appreciated in many places, but far less so in his own country.
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Too bad for Jimmy the world wasn't able to cast ballots for his re-election.

Maybe if he had 1) paid more attention to leading the United States, 2) did a better job of educating Americans why his actions were good for the country in the long run, and 3) acted more decisively in response to the hostage crisis, he would have been re-elected.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 17):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
influence he had with the middle east sure didn't do him any good during the Iranian embassy takeover, did it?

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No, he HAD success with the Arab World and Israel, and learnt a lot about these countries, but had no clue about Iran. The other way round also exists. You certainly remember that "colonial governor" Mr Bremer, who went to Baghdad and caused widespread bewilderment.

WTF does Bremer have to do with the fact that Carter, who supposedly had so much good will built up in the Arab world for his "enlightened" policies towards the middle east, got NO help from all his "friends" in the region when it came to ending the takeover?


User currently offlineSprout5199 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1855 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1769 times:

Quoting Solarix (Reply 9):
If Carter is such a Mid-East expert why did he allow some Iranian nut jobs to take control of our embassy for so long? I would have expected an expert to know how to handle a situation like that.

When this happened it was a surprise. Before this every country treated embassies as "hallowed" ground. Even countries at war let the Ambassadors leave without harm(Vietnam notwithstanding). And just remember the state of the US military in the late 70's. This wasn't Carters fault.

As far a domestically, he was left with impossible inflation, a political mess from Nixon era. He calmed the country after Three Mile Island, but just didnt have the "cult of personalty" needed to gain the confidence of the US people.

Dan in Jupiter


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1762 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 19):
WTF does Bremer have to do with the fact that Carter, who supposedly had so much good will built up in the Arab world for his "enlightened" policies towards the middle east, got NO help from all his "friends" in the region when it came to ending the takeover?

a lot. It is another example. Carter had no good friends in Iran, Afghanistan or Pakistan. And opinions of Arabs are NOT in high demand among Iranians. "In the region" in the way you use it is a zero-value. Some of his friends would have helped him in case something thelike had happened in Khartoum or in Sana'a etc. But Iran, sorry, no way.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1757 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 8):
He in the longer term will get recognized as the "prophet not seen in his own country".

Haha, surely you jest? It has been a mere twenty years and the American population has already judged Carter to be one of our worst Presidents in years. You don't improve from that ranking....

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 8):
He was NOT one of your worst , he was one of your best

Tell that to most Americans...

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 8):
No, he is NOT ignored, not at all.

Perhaps in the halls you float around in Europe, where one is respected for an anti-Israel attitude rather than in the US, where one is ostracized for it.

Quoting Solarix (Reply 9):
If Carter is such a Mid-East expert why did he allow some Iranian nut jobs to take control of our embassy for so long? I would have expected an expert to know how to handle a situation like that.

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Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 11):
neither did Sadat nor does Mubarak spread anti-Semitic or anti-American propaganda

Take a look at the Egyptian press...

Quoting Baroque (Reply 12):
He had a great deal to offer and to a great extent, the US was not smart enough to take what was on offer.

Uhhh, I can't stand this attitude. Carter kept telling Americans what was wrong with us, instead of trying to fix our problems. Reagan, who beat Carter and went on to be the 2nd most successful 20th Century President after FDR, told Americans what was right about them and that is why history will remember the two far differently.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
In you opinion. Most American Presidential scholars disagree. As did the American public.

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Quoting Halls120 (Reply 19):
2) did a better job of educating Americans why his actions were good for the country in the long run,

That was what Carter's problem was. Instead of trying to fix the country's problems, he gave moralistic lectures about religion and individual responsibility and blah blah. The country did not want or need this from a peanut farmer from Georgia during a time of national crisis (oil shortages, inflation, Iranian embassy hostages)


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1748 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 22):
respected for an anti-Israel attitude

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what "anti-Israel attitude" ?  innocent  angel 

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 22):
an anti-Israel attitude rather than in the US, where one is ostracized for it.

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well, I know that in "halls" in the USA you have to be a relentless supporter of Israel to be accepted

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 22):
neither did Sadat nor does Mubarak spread anti-Semitic or anti-American propaganda
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Take a look at the Egyptian press...

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the Egyptian press tends to be critical of both the USA and Israel but is neither anti-Jewish nor anti-American
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Quoting RJpieces (Reply 22):
Reagan, who beat Carter and went on to be the 2nd most successful 20th Century President after FDR, told Americans what was right about them and that is why history will remember the two far differently.

2nd most successful ? you meant the best speaker/orator in modern history ? but otherwise one of the worst presidents. And yes, in his shows, and his speeches WERE shows, he launched very successful shows. And by telling Americans what "was right about them" he flattered people.
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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7359 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1743 times:
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Quoting RJpieces (Reply 2):
Self-proclaimed expert on the Middle East does not make him one. There is a reason why Jimmy Carter was a one-term President who went down in history as one of our worst. There is also a reason why he is basically ignored today. If Bill Clinton were to speak saying the stuff he says, it would be a major news story.

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I saw his interview, he's just trying to sell books. (his 21st written)  bouncy 


25 JakeOrion : Obviously, your the minority and Anti-Reagan for sure, but to prove a point, Reagan had one of the biggest US funerals in history, as you could have
26 ME AVN FAN : - the majority of people in the USA. Those foreign crocodile-tears whiners just used the occasion to show off and renew contacts. - I can tell you th
27 Post contains links and images Dougloid : You know, I'm still pissed off about that because I lost a bet. I bet a guy $25 that Khomeini's plane would get shot down before it landed in Iran. I
28 Baroque : Thanks. I did not know that was how he died. His recce mission was about as successful as Balbos were in Leigh-Mallory's hands. Long live Park and do
29 Dougloid : You aren't kidding. I'm in mind of General George C. Marshall....he singlehandedly saved Ike from an ignominous end during the war (affair with his d
30 TNNH : yeah because he had to. it was on his watch that 52 innocent american citizens were held hostage, some for as long as, for 444 days in that oh so won
31 767Lover : Carter's book is generating quite a bit of controversy. Not surprisingly, Jewish groups have taken issue with it. Now it appears to have caused a rift
32 BN747 : You're absolutely right, Halls...doomed from the start! America was reeling from it's 1st ever President who voluntarily stepped down from the job--o
33 RJpieces : That's why Carter is referred to as the "accidental President." Had it not been for Watergate, he would still be a state-wide politician in Georgia.
34 Post contains links BN747 : That's a BIG 'IF'...(or IF NOT!) but you're right to a degree...Watergate wasn't the only factor driving 'the people' to a Carter like president...Ab
35 L-188 : Really? A little free word association perhaps, Malase, Recession, Hostages, Rabbit
36 Post contains links and images Bravo45 : LOL!! Gotta applaud Carter for that one. Now it may look wrong or arrogant for those who are not familiar with Dershowitz. He wrote a book of his own
37 ME AVN FAN : - Malaise ? no, Jimmy Carter contributed to peace, stability and progress in the world Recession ? Economy in other parts of the world in the late 70
38 Baroque : The Dershowitz advocacy of torture is another issue that makes him to say the least, suspect. It really is astonishing that with McCain in a powerful
39 Post contains images Bravo45 : Totally with ya. And it was not only McCain, there were many other Republicans who refused to back Bush on this, if not being as loud as McCain. IIRC
40 BN747 : wow..WoW...WOW!!!! God lord..if I were Dershowitz, I'd never volunteer to debate anyone public ever again!!! Bravo45..thanks so much for those links.
41 L-188 : Yup, it was in our faces for 444 days.
42 Baroque : It is a wonnerful concept, defining your way out of, round and through torture. What a pity that the likes of Tom Lehrer decided some time ago that t
43 BN747 : Your 1st Post in this thread... Your second... Rupert Murdoch needs to offer you a job, no one eats from the media trough with such zeal as believers
44 Bravo45 : LOL, so true. I am really glad you liked it, if you haven't done so I would recommend you to see the entire debate. BTW I did not intend to completel
45 Post contains images Bravo45 : Add to that, the WWII events when Britian and the US first installed the young Shah. At least one can't possibly blame Carter for the current Iran-US
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