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John Bolton Quits As US Ambassador To U.N.  
User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2471 times:
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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

The resignation is timed for the end of his recess appointment. It's not likely that he would have ben approved anyways.

User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8165 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2465 times:

Good riddance. What an insufferably arrogant and bullheaded talking head he was. Not to mention the guy couldn't pick a decent tie nor find a barber who could help him out. Certainly there are better manifestations of the American image for putting on the world diplomatic stage.


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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2468 times:

Bolton could be the nicest guy around, but he looks like a child molestor.


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User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2766 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2468 times:

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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

Quoting PROSA (Reply 3):
Bolton could be the nicest guy around

But I rather doubt that he is. The stories of bullying seemed to have a fair bit of backing.

Mind you, I will defend his right to look daggy but not his arrogance.

There ought to be more kindly scruffs around at the UN!! Just as long as they can think out the longer term effects of their verbal assaults. And that in the end is what should have sunk Bolton, he traded short term impact for longer term ability to win an argument. If the enemy recovers from the shock and awe, he or she is going to be really annoyed, which bode ill for your aims.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2442 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
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like Mr Cheney ?


User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2437 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 5):
The stories of bullying seemed to have a fair bit of backing.
Mind you, I will defend his right to look daggy but not his arrogance.

Bolton's strictly a minor league "tough" guy. I remember Jeane Kirkpatrick, who was the U.N. ambassador under Reagan. You want a combative personality, she makes Bolton look like a meek little wimp in comparison.



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User currently offlineMBMBOS From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2426 times:

Quoting PROSA (Reply 7):
I remember Jeane Kirkpatrick, who was the U.N. ambassador under Reagan.

I remember her too. She was a mean ol' piece of gristle.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2416 times:

Shame...The only way to get the UN to do anything is to have somebody like Bolton there...If I were Bush, I would not appoint another US Ambassador to the UN in protest.

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2415 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 6):
Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
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like Mr Cheney ?

WTF?  sarcastic 

. . . . . .

This really isn't news.

Bolton knows he's done, no way he'll get confirmed, so he's taking the easy way out.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2405 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 10):
like Mr Cheney ?
WTF? sarcastic

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why not ?  innocent  angel 


User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2395 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 2):
What an insufferably arrogant and bullheaded talking head he was. Not to mention the guy couldn't pick a decent tie nor find a barber who could help him out. Certainly there are better manifestations of the American image for putting on the world diplomatic stage.

Just because he wasn't interested in the organized grab ass that has become the UN? The UN Is a blast furnace of hot air that all they agree to is not agree about anything. They have no balls, they are a financial drain, and they do nothing to benefit this country. They are useless as the pope's balls.


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12573 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2395 times:
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Quoting RJpieces (Reply 9):
If I were Bush, I would not appoint another US Ambassador to the UN in protest.

 confused  In protest of what?



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 9):
Shame...The only way to get the UN to do anything is to have somebody like Bolton there...If I were Bush, I would not appoint another US Ambassador to the UN in protest.

Yes, act like a baby because he didn't get his way? I think not.

In my opinion Bolton did a better job than I anticipated. He pretty much didn't show what was his rep as arrogant and bullheaded, and served his president well, I believe.

I don't think Mr. Bush will pick another Bolton-he can't, actually, as there's a new ballgame in Congress. Maybe he should ask Colin Powell?


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 12):
all they agree to is not agree about anything

it happens to be the assembly of the delegates of the different nations of this planet. They meet to try to find common things.
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Quoting Miamiair (Reply 12):
and they do nothing to benefit this country.

To benefit THIS country ???? They are NOT officials of the USA, they are officials of their various countries, and their work has to benefit THEIR countries and NOT "this" one !
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User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2373 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 15):

Exactly. So when all the others there decide it is OK to look the other way when nuclear technology is being transferred, because it is beneficial to THEIR contries, YOU don't complain do you.

Or when the French sold SAMs to Saddam with proceeds for the oil-for-food program, YOU didn't complain, did you?

Corrupt people meeting to screw others out of something that isn't theirs...the UN.


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7305 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2363 times:
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Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 14):
should ask Colin Powell?

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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8165 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2363 times:

Just because he wasn't interested in the organized grab ass that has become the UN? The UN Is a blast furnace of hot air that all they agree to is not agree about anything. They have no balls, they are a financial drain, and they do nothing to benefit this country. They are useless as the pope's balls.

I wasn't talking about the UN - that's a separate issue. I'm talking about America's image. As an expat outside the bubble, I deal much more directly with the image problem we have abroad. Representatives of the US in high profile positions like Bolton should have the character, class, and moxie to improve this image. Bolton had only one of those and sorely lacked the first two.

and they do nothing to benefit this country.

that type of comment is symptomatic of the overzealous amerocentric attitude that makes it impossible for us to gain any more than passing respect in the international community.

[Edited 2006-12-04 17:29:02]


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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2360 times:

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 16):
Exactly. So when all the others there decide it is OK to look the other way when nuclear technology is being transferred, because it is beneficial to THEIR contries, YOU don't complain do you.

you here refer to the civil nuclear energy program of the I.R.I. !

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 16):
Or when the French sold SAMs to Saddam with proceeds for the oil-for-food program, YOU didn't complain, did you?

I also did not complain when US companies, through a "transit-company" , delivered scientific material to the IAEC (Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission) in Tuwaitha-Baghdad, I also did NOT complain.
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Quoting Miamiair (Reply 16):
Corrupt people meeting to screw others out of something that isn't theirs...the UN.

Whey should they be corrupt ? --- And what are "they" to screw "others" ouf of ? Some may be corrupt, but most simply are diplomats representing their countries.
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User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 19):
Whey should they be corrupt ? --- And what are "they" to screw "others" ouf of ? Some may be corrupt, but most simply are diplomats representing their countries

The tea and crupmet circuit. Where did all that un-accounted money go to in the oil-for-food program?


User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
John Bolton Quits As US Ambassador To U.N.

Yes, yes, yes!  bouncy 

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 2):
Good riddance. What an insufferably arrogant and bullheaded talking head he was.

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Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 6):
like Mr Cheney ?

That would be just fantastic. But we can keep dreaming !

Cheers.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 20):
The tea and crupmet circuit. Where did all that un-accounted money go to in the oil-for-food program?

To companies involved, and yes, to some corrupt officials both in the UN and in various national administrations alike. But you canNOT jump to the conclusion that they all are corrupt just because some made criminal money. Also some banks were involved btw. The problem was NOT the U.N., the problem was that so many different people got involved.
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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 43
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2312 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 22):
The problem was NOT the U.N., the problem was that so many different people got involved.

Your effort is commendable, but I fear it's going to waste since the "opposition's" POV is "either with us or against us". It would probably take less than five minutes to find a dozen reports on successful UN missions, that succeeded due to cooperation of the nations involved - such as the USA in a lot of cases - but ever since there have been a few disastrous cases of perfidy, all of the UN is easily dismissed by the usual suspects.

I do however have the feeling Mr. Ahmadinejad shares some a.netters' feelings towards the UN, as does Kim Jong Il... Big grin



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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3868 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2309 times:

"Bolton knows he's done"

He cut and run.



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25 Gunsontheroof : Quite a shame. His vitriolic bullshit will be missed.
26 Post contains images UH60FtRucker : Well if we're gonna make decisions based on appearances... let us not forget: -UH60
27 Post contains images Solnabo : Yeeesss! Great news, he was like an elephant in a china store. Clumsy and vulgar at UN. In other words a true conservative Micke//
28 SkyvanMan : Seems like Bolton must have realized the U.N. was a real organization after all and that it required real work.
29 Baroque : I presume you realise that the US was the main agent in the design of the UN? Some of the "special" features put in by the US have returned to bite.
30 BN747 : As much as it might.. Powell's 1st rate con job of selling the UN 'the bogus Iraq/MWD BS, is still smoldering there! I bet when in NYC, Powell avoids
31 Columba : Absolutely agree. Powell would be a good man but since he had a hard time with both the Bush administration (okay it was mainly Rumsfeld he had his p
32 Baroque : I had in mind that the only way to get out from under the "legacy" would be a "mea culpa". On its track record the Bush admin would never agree to a
33 Cfalk : That was the reputation propagandists made of him, but did he live up to this made-up reputation? Can you give me one example where he was seen bully
34 TNNH : yeah most of the countries suck and dont deserve delegation. i'll miss Bolton. He was a tough motherfucker, but you need that in a world of Hezballah
35 Post contains images L410Turbolet : Protest what? Bush being sore loser? Las time I checked they were Bush's best buddies, weren't they? In theory it sounds great but if these types onl
36 Cfalk : That is automatically the starting point. You want something. Other countries want something different. You argue. You find a solution that satisfies
37 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : whether they "suck" or not is NOT the point, and they do NOT have to "deserve" anything, they have to be present. The "raison d'etre" of the whole th
38 Post contains images Cedars747 : I am so happy about that Alex!!!
39 AA777 : That man was a schmuck...really a nasty guy with nasty things to say. And of course he reiterates the laughable American foreign policy that is obviou
40 Cfalk : Examples?
41 Singapore_Air : At least he can shave his moustache off now.
42 Post contains links Baroque : I was going to try to reply to CFalk but this is better than I could get, thanks AA777. If you listen to what Kofi Anan said and someone else at the
43 Cfalk : Hardly a good reference. Kofi Annan has been the most singularly useless SG since the UN was founded. Of course the establishment is going to complai
44 Aloges : Allow me to quote you:
45 ME AVN FAN : - YOUR judgment. While to me, Kofi Annan was the BEST U.N. secretary-general in history. - as you in here accuse all the other U.N.-delegates to be u
46 Miamiair : How come the UN has failed miserably in its efforts to curb nuclear proliferation? Did the UN discover the black market nuclear technology efforts tha
47 ME AVN FAN : > who is "the U.N." ? it is the nations of this world > who wanted "to curb nuclear proliferation" ? most of all the nuclear powers > who wanted nucl
48 Post contains links Baroque : And how was El Baradei going to access the Pakistan facilities? Pakistan did not sign the NPT. Doors closed. How much did Bolton do to extend the rea
49 Cfalk : Your data only includes resolutions that were actually voted on. When the US has solid indications that a particular vote they want will not pass, th
50 ME AVN FAN : - THAT in that case was mean trick, because the invasion WAS against the (otherwise expressed) wishes of the UN-majority including other VETO-powers.
51 Baroque : Like the proportion of undetected crime then. But I think if you examine the matter, there are even more resolutions withdrawn because the US is abou
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