Matt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 43 Posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1706 times:
First of all, too many people simply assume that "impeachment" is synonymous with "removal". As most of us should know, that is not necessraily the case. A sitting President must be convicted on the Articles of Impeachment to be removed from office.
I'm not going to say that I do or do not support their cause; that's irrelevent for the moment.
In reading through that site, it seems that their argument for impeachment is largely predicated on the Iraq war.
Ok, fair enough.
But then something caught my attention on the front page:
FOUNDED DECEMBER, 2000
You know what that tells me?
It tells me that there are/were people out there determined to impeach Bush before he even took office. 9/11 and Iraq didn't happen until long after December 2000.
So this gives substantial credence the idea that many of the Bush haters do indeed really hate the man; that they can't stand the fact that a Conservative Christian is in the Oval Office. It wasn't until nearly three years later that these people were able to harvest something that might actually stick.
And lastly, as an aside, since I know it's going to come up: yes, the GOP villified "Bubba" and probably went on the same treasure hunt that yielded perjury charges in 1998.
So as far as I'm concerned, Impeach Bush represents nothing more lofty than revenge for 1998.
But be that as it may, wouldn't it behoove the "enlightened Left" to at least come clean about it and admit their true motive as opposed to practicing the very vindictive with hunt tactics they themselves condemned?
He was elected by the "electors" (not voters) in November 2000, so that it can be assumed that this thing was founded by pissed off Al Gore supporters. Whenever Al Gore had more votes, GWB also without Florida would have had more electors, and as the constitution of YOUR country says that the electors are the deciding point, GWB simply WAS the elected president.
Matt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1616 times:
IMHO, after you cut through all of the sound byte rhetoric, I don't think I'm too far off base when I say that I think it ultimately boils down to a "You won and we lost and we want to get even" mentality.
I will agree that this does indicate that they were determined to be unhappy with his Presidency and to try to remove him no matter what. As to the reasons why, you diverge into rank speculation. It could be no more than another political turf war.
By the way I saw posters in England promoting a rally to protest the war in October 2001 before the US even went into Afghanistan and long before Iraq. Know what that tells me? That the people in England who are "against the war" were so aligned before there even was one. In other words they are not anti-war, they are anti-US doing anything at all. But that is a whole other flamefest.
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Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40298 posts, RR: 73
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1590 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 5): I dont understand why every single president we have had, there is always an 'impeachment' thing going on. This seems to be the norm with every president we have had. What gives??
There were no impeachment attempts against Papa Bush, Jimmy Carter,Gerald Ford, Lyndon Johnson, Eisenhower... the list can go on.
Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 14452 posts, RR: 45
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1590 times:
Quoting SlamClick (Reply 8): By the way I saw posters in England promoting a rally to protest the war in October 2001 before the US even went into Afghanistan and long before Iraq. Know what that tells me? That the people in England who are "against the war" were so aligned before there even was one. In other words they are not anti-war, they are anti-US doing anything at all. But that is a whole other flamefest.
Know what your statement tells me? You can't add one and one and get the right answer.
Quote: In the weeks prior to the military action in Afghanistan, U.S. President George W. Bush delivered an ultimatum to the Taliban, to:
- deliver Al-Qaeda leaders located in Afghanistan to the United States
- release all imprisoned foreign nationals, including American citizens
- protect foreign journalists, diplomats, and aid workers in Afghanistan
- close terrorist training camps in Afghanistan and "hand over every terrorist and every person and their support structure to appropriate authorities"
- give the United States full access to terrorist training camps to verify their closure
President Bush further stated the demands were not open to negotiation or discussion.
The invasion of Afghanistan started on October 7th.
So, even if you saw these posters in October, a whole week before the war started, every man and his dog already knew the war was going to happen and was about to start because GWB told us all! It didn't exactly take Sherlock Holmes or a psychic to work it out did it?
In case you missed it, we were also involved in the invasion, and the protests were as much against UK involvement as US. Thus they were anti-war protests, not anti-US. Hope that's clear now.
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AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1469 times:
Quoting Superfly (Reply 10): There were no impeachment attempts against Papa Bush, Jimmy Carter,Gerald Ford, Lyndon Johnson, Eisenhower... the list can go on.
I dont mean any disrespect and I apologize in advance, but what rock have you living under, sir?!?! Every president since WW2 has had some form of 'groups' that had some sort of campagining saying they want the current president impeached. Even same thing happened with Reagan was president. And its going to happen to the next POTUS, and the next one, and the next one.....
[Edited 2006-12-07 00:50:00]
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RJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1460 times:
Quoting Matt D (Thread starter): yes, the GOP villified "Bubba" and probably went on the same treasure hunt that yielded perjury charges in 1998.
The perjury charge originated in a case completely outside of what Ken Starr was doing. It originated from testimony the President gave in Paula Jones sexual harassment suit against him. If the President had just told the truth he would not have been impeached.
Quoting Superfly (Reply 4): House Speaker - Elect Nancy Pelosi already stated that it's not a priority and will NOT push for an impeachment.
Just like she said she wanted her buddy Murtha as majority leader? She will be herding cats for 2 years.
Quoting Matt D (Reply 7): You won and we lost and we want to get even" mentality.
For a lot of democrats its nothing more than payback time. They could care less about governing the country. All one has to do is look at how they are already retreating on their pledge to implement all the 9/11 commission recommendations.