Dtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2082 times:
Man who sodomized dog to appeal sex offender registry
A man who sodomized a dog plans to appeal a ruling that he register as a sex offender after leaving prison.
Delbert John Holliday, 33, of Eastpointe, was sentenced to 3 1/2 to 15 years in prison Tuesday in Macomb County Circuit Court.
He had pleaded guilty to sodomy and animal torture for an August incident involving a pit bull at his brother's house.
Judge James Biernat ordered Holliday to register with the state's sex offender registry, though sodomy legally doesn't address cases where the victim is an animal, The Macomb Daily reported.
Unoflygirl From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 140 posts, RR: 10 Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2040 times:
That's just wrong! If they let him off the hook for this, that'd be even more wrong.
HPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2002 times:
Sick as this perv might be, I think he makes a fair point in that a sex crime with an animal should not be in the same category as a sex crime involving a human being. We certainly don't give life sentences to people who murder animals, nor is animal abuse punished in the same manner as spousal abuse. So why should sex crimes be any different?
Besides, the article does not go into his background, we don't know if this is an isolated incident or if the dude has a history of beastiality. We only know it was a pit bull (really, a pit bull let him do that?????) at his brother's house. Easy on the 15 years - he might be an okay, harmless dude outside other than this pitbull raping incident.
Bagpiper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1934 times:
Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 5): None of the okay, harmless dudes I know rape animals.
Personally, I think pitbulls should be illegal or something. anyways. I mean, come on, why do you need such an aggressive dog? I can't even count how many absurd cases there have been of maulings in my area over the past 6 months.
One that stood out was a 5 year old and her mom were walking home from school, and a pitbull attacked them. Ripped the girls ear off, the mother jumped in front of the dog to protect her daughter, and got killed in the process. 2 guys nearby eventually killed the dog. The poor 5 year old spent several months in the hospital, had recontructive sugery to her face (her face is still seriously out of whack), and, basically, won't have a normal life all because of a freaking dog.
BTW, I recall a an article from few years ago about a school somewhere in the US suggesting sex with animals to male students as a replacement for the real thing... Unfortunately, I can't find the article.
777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11317 posts, RR: 17 Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1902 times:
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Quoting Bagpiper (Reply 6): One that stood out was a 5 year old and her mom were walking home from school, and a pitbull attacked them. Ripped the girls ear off, the mother jumped in front of the dog to protect her daughter, and got killed in the process. 2 guys nearby eventually killed the dog. The poor 5 year old spent several months in the hospital, had recontructive sugery to her face (her face is still seriously out of whack), and, basically, won't have a normal life all because of a freaking dog.
There was an incident involving a little girl in New Zealand a few years ago when the girl (I think was 7 years old) and her family were playing in a park, I forget where. The girl and a friend were playing and a dog ripped the girls face apart. A massive public uproar happened because of this, and her father lead a massive protest to get tougher dog laws. Even a few months after the girls face was still a big mess and it wasn't nice seeing it on TV.
CO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2848 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1895 times:
Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 4): Easy on the 15 years - he might be an okay, harmless dude outside other than this pitbull raping incident.
There are hundreds of rapists and other criminals who committed their crimes ONCE. So are they "OK" besides the one incident?
Quoting Bagpiper (Reply 6): I think pitbulls should be illegal or something
If you train your pitbull right, then you won't have a problem. Trust me. I have a pitbull/terrier... the only thing she hates is cats.
Ladies and Gents, i introduce to you HEAVEN .. the pitbull terrier!
AndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1892 times:
Quoting Bagpiper (Reply 6): Personally, I think pitbulls should be illegal or something. anyways.
There are many other types of breeds that are much more aggressive. If you ever see my dog get in an aggressive mode, you would freak out. My wife almost wanted to get rid of her when she saw her try to savagely attack another dog. Fortunately, she was on a leash at the time.
But, we have spent TIME training the dog and showing her what is right and wrong. Started from when she was a puppy. I made an effort to mess with her food, even real bones, and she better not defend it. I also would play and pull her to make certain that the kids would not get a reaction when they would do that. It all comes down to taking responsibility for raising your dog right.
So now we have a beautiful GUARD dog, that to most visitors and kids seems to be and is the friendliest, most social dog around. But watch out for her. A few months ago she almost attacked me when I came in thru the wrong door and the kids were in the yard.
Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter): A man who sodomized a dog plans to appeal a ruling that he register as a sex offender after leaving prison.
I'm sorry, but whether this is sick or not is besides the point. They are many who find certain consensual sex acts between adults sick, but at least now they are not sent to jail. There are people who are convicted of animal cruelty who might not go to jail.
Without having any further information, I can't say much about this dude's punishment.
IAH777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 5 Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1822 times:
BAB once sodomized a dog then had to explain to her that buttsecks cannot lead to getting pregnant.
HPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1788 times:
Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 10): There are hundreds of rapists and other criminals who committed their crimes ONCE. So are they "OK" besides the one incident?
No, this is an unusual crime. It's one level of pervertedness to commit a sex crime with an animal. To commit rape upon another human being is a different level of pervertedness. The guy is probably messed up something fierce in his head, but this one act of sodomizing a pit bull could be isolated and not a "gateway" to other potentially henious crimes they way a human rapist could be. That's all I'm sayin. The guy may fear interaction with other humans and will not do harm to humans out of shear fear of having to deal with them. Of course, none of us know the full details, so I'm only speculating. My point is that a sex crime with an animal is not on the same level as raping a human being, two different motivations, two different mentalities going into them.
Kmh1956 From Bermuda, joined Jun 2005, 3324 posts, RR: 8 Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1771 times:
Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 4): Easy on the 15 years - he might be an okay, harmless dude outside other than this pitbull raping incident.
Okay, harmless dudes do not go around sodomizing dogs. If this is how this sicko treats a dog, how well do you imagine he would treat a woman or a child?
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NWOrientDC10 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1389 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1755 times:
A man who sodomized a dog plans to appeal a ruling that he register as a sex offender after leaving prison.
Delbert John Holliday, 33, of Eastpointe, was sentenced to 3 1/2 to 15 years in prison Tuesday in Macomb County Circuit Court.
He had pleaded guilty to sodomy and animal torture for an August incident involving a pit bull at his brother's house.
Judge James Biernat ordered Holliday to register with the state's sex offender registry, though sodomy legally doesn't address cases where the victim is an animal, The Macomb Daily reported
that's wrong also prison is not the place for him, give him the electric chair and wire up his bollarks and turn on to full capacity!!!!, there that should do it.
767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1746 times:
Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 10): If you train your pitbull right, then you won't have a problem. Trust me. I have a pitbull/terrier... the only thing she hates is cats.
Pitbulls used to be the breed of choice for family dogs. If you saw my pitbull, you would understand. She has no enemies.
The reason they have a reputation for being aggressive is because a certain segment of society wants a "thuggish" tough dog, and they have taken advantage of the physical strength and loyalty of the pit bull breed. Because these dogs have an innate need to please their master, the thugs have successfully trained the dog to be aggressive.
Honestly, my dog has been "attacked" twice. Bitten both times--once by the chiauaua (sp?) down the street and once by the fuzzy mutt behind us. These were unprovoked attacks (a fact concurred by their owners) and in one case my dog required stitches and the owner paid for it.
Dougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1716 times:
Youse guys don't know the half of it....
there is a story that you can find on the web or on pervscan, a guy had sex with a horse and died back in 2005.....seems the horse was the active participant.
a video was made of the events that you can find on the web. I have seen the video.
It is the single most revolting piece of film I've ever seen.
IAH777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 5 Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1692 times:
Quoting Dougloid (Reply 19): It is the single most revolting piece of film I've ever seen.
Worse than Eyes Wide Shut? Yeesh. It must be disturbing...
Dragogoalie From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 1220 posts, RR: 7 Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1677 times:
Quoting Bagpiper (Reply 6): Personally, I think pitbulls should be illegal or something. anyways. I mean, come on, why do you need such an aggressive dog? I can't even count how many absurd cases there have been of maulings in my area over the past 6 months.
A pit bull is never aggressive right off the bat- it's not bred to be agressive either, it's just bred to be muscly and strong. People TRAIN them to be agressive for dog fighting.
Most dog bites comes from our very best friend, the golden retriever, while shepherds are like number 5 on this list. Dogs like pitbulls are all the way down at number 30ish.
It's the owner's fault. The owners of the pitbulls mentioned in your post could've had any other breed and I bet you anything the dogs would still have turned out aggressive. Pitbulls have been banned in denmark, and it has in no way made the dog bite statitics decrease. People who would've had an aggressive pitbull just get other breeds, and they still turn out aggressive.
Pitbulls are so misunderstood. They are no worse, more aggressive or more ferocious than a labrador or a chihuahua. People need to do more research before they open their mouths!
Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 4): Sick as this perv might be, I think he makes a fair point in that a sex crime with an animal should not be in the same category as a sex crime involving a human being. We certainly don't give life sentences to people who murder animals, nor is animal abuse punished in the same manner as spousal abuse. So why should sex crimes be any different?
Besides, the article does not go into his background, we don't know if this is an isolated incident or if the dude has a history of beastiality. We only know it was a pit bull (really, a pit bull let him do that?????) at his brother's house. Easy on the 15 years - he might be an okay, harmless dude outside other than this pitbull raping incident.
WHY is it less wrong to rape an animal?? An animal can't put up a fair fight, it can't say no. It's just as bad as raping a human. Same goes for beating it or murdering it (when I say murder, I don't mean euthanized in a humane way at a registered vet)... I'd like to hear why you think it's less wrong to treat an animal this way.
And he's certainly not an ok, harmless dude if he does this! He needs his balls cut off, at least. I'd prefer it if someone raped him!
Charlienorth From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1077 posts, RR: 5 Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1649 times:
Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 4): Besides, the article does not go into his background, we don't know if this is an isolated incident or if the dude has a history of beastiality
I would be willing to say once should considered more than enough.
Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 5): Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 4):
he might be an okay, harmless dude
None of the okay, harmless dudes I know rape animals
Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 13): My point is that a sex crime with an animal is not on the same level as raping a human being, two different motivations, two different mentalities going into them.
I've heard most serial killers have a history of cruelty to animals..
Quoting IAH777 (Reply 20): Quoting Dougloid (Reply 19):
It is the single most revolting piece of film I've ever seen.
Worse than Eyes Wide Shut? Yeesh. It must be disturbing
Pope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1641 times:
Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 4): Sick as this perv might be, I think he makes a fair point in that a sex crime with an animal should not be in the same category as a sex crime involving a human being. We certainly don't give life sentences to people who murder animals, nor is animal abuse punished in the same manner as spousal abuse. So why should sex crimes be any different?
Perhaps the court should order him to join a Las Vegas dating service so that he can find partners of his own species to date.
Charlienorth From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1077 posts, RR: 5 Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1637 times:
Quoting Pope (Reply 23): Perhaps the court should order him to join a Las Vegas dating service so that he can find partners of his own species to date.
Dang!! you posted whatI didn't have the guts to!! Maybe the dog will need the dating service....naaah...it's too much money,beside the dog probably doesn't know where to call his parents
26 Bagpiper: Ok. I stand corrected. Maybe I should read/learn before I open my mouth...
27 Pope: How about providing those statistic on a per animal basis? There are far more golden retrievers than their are pit bulls (at least in the US). I woul
28 767Lover: According to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC): There is currently no accurate way to identify the number of dogs of a particular breed, and cons
29 Dragogoalie: Yes- up until now, there has been 1-2 cases of mauling/killings by pitpulls while there has been more than what you can count on one hand by rottweil
30 Lucky42: You are right. However, Pitbulls along with Rottweilers have a bad rep because of asswipes who breed them to fight other dogs or intentionally depriv
31 AndesSMF: Thank God my sister doesn't read here, she has a Chihuahua, but those dogs are dumb and will bite you quicker than most big dogs. And as an aside, my
32 Dragogoalie: Also, when pitbulls bite, they BITE Not because they're more aggressive than other dogs, but because their jaws are so much stronger. I can't see why
33 AndesSMF: What about cats ruined by people, too? My cat had kittens this summer. The kids were with the kittens constantly. The dog wouldn't approach them at a
34 Speedbird747BA: 32 replies and no Kirkie comment? I think this does resemble a story GKirk once regaled to me, a story of love and scottish fashions and heaving, bonk
35 Dragogoalie: True- people can be good. I'm talking about the people who go out and get some "cool" breed and then ruin it, turning it into an aggressive monster-
36 AndesSMF: WHHAAAAAT? Was the dog fixed? BTW, nice story from you too. You forget to mention that sometimes plain neglect, this is feeding the animal, but not i
37 NWA742: Outside of this incident? There is no outside - he did it. Anyone who rapes and tortures animals are not, and will never be "okay" in my book. Lock h
38 DragoGoalie: No This girl is a purebred show dalmatian and shan't be fixed as I plan on breeding (responsibly) sometime in the future. But she had never had a lit
39 AndesSMF: Aw, thanks! I'll try to get a picture of my babies sleeping shortly.
40 Sudden: How tragic the incident above might be, it does not have anything to do with Pitbull! As a breeder for German Sheppards, and an instructor, I can assu
41 767Lover: My baby is absolutely THE best dog I have ever been around..
42 Pope: I was bit by a pit bull owned by a neighbor about 15 years ago. I was on spring break from university and went out for a jog. Before I knew it, the d
43 Sudden: Very tragic for you as I think you lost a lot of trust in dogs from that day on. I also feel for the dog as it acted upon instinct, not because it was
44 Pope: Not true. I've had dogs before and after the incident. However, I realize that dogs are animals and any number of things can cause them to "remember"
45 Sudden: I am not going to argue against you, but there is a difference between acting upon instinct, and being aggressive. This breed is not born aggressive,
46 TWISTEDWHISPER: Can I just say... this guy cornholed a pit bull, and he's OK. So much for a aggressive dog. I think he was pushing the term "man's best friend" to th
47 Dragogoalie: On the incident that Pope described, I still say pitbulls are not more aggressive than other dogs, but they have more muscles- so when they do bite,
48 Pope: Which is exactly my point. Some people said that training made the dogs aggressive, I was just pointing out that genetics plays a role as well. Well
49 Dragogoalie: I see- but I have to point out that most pitbulls are not bred to be aggressive and that when they're bred right, they go through mentality testing (
50 767Lover: I believe most local Animal Control and SPCAs in the U.S. do this too (at least the ones I've seen on Animal Planet!)
51 Dragogoalie: I believe you're right The problem is, generally, breeders don't. It should be mandatory, IMO. Also, I believe we should all follow the example of so
52 Pope: This would make owning a pet levels of magnitude more complex than becoming a parent. Nice thought but it will never happen. The reality of the situa
53 Dragogoalie: You're right... but why is the focus ONLY on pitbulls? There're exactly as many aggressive dogs of other breeds making it into the homes of people al
54 OB1504: Speaking of which, owning a pit bull is now illegal in Miami-Dade County. Of course, there's nothing stopping you from calling your dog a pit bull mi
55 Yellowstone: I'm thinking this guy is downright twisted. Anyone who decides to have nonconsensual sex with anything is a sex offender in my book. And since animals
56 ORDRyan28: completely wrong. an animal, regardless of type, has a heart, a brain, a liver, a kidney, etc. Because they look different than us doesn't mean they
57 Pope: I'm not. I was only focusing on my experience and commenting on the breed others had discussed. I am by no means a dog expert. I agree that "aggressi
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WHY is it less wrong to rape an animal?? An animal can't put up a fair fight, it can't say no. It's just as bad as raping a human. Same goes for beating it or murdering it (when I say murder, I don't mean euthanized in a humane way at a registered vet)... I'd like to hear why you think it's less wrong to treat an animal this way. 
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