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Here's How I'd Fix The Israel/Palestine Issue...  
User currently offlineFlyBoeing From United States of America, joined May 2000, 866 posts, RR: 2
Posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 425 times:

Here's my solution:

Israel needs to realize that the current situation is counterproductive. Having so many Israelis living close to so many Palestinians makes for the following Israeli and Palestinian problems:

1) The Israelis need to put up tons of checkpoints and border guards. It dilutes their resources and complicates the security problem.

2) The Palestinians have no geographic continuity in their state. Therefore it'll never be a cohesive economic unit. This needs to change.

The two sides should commit to drastic territorial reorganizations and consolidate themselves into 2-3 big enclaves for each group of people. The Israelis go to the west side and the Palestinians get the side that's closest to Jordan. The frontier gets consolidated on both sides and everybody's safer.

This "land swap" would be accompanied by an appropriate net payment from one side to the other for the excess value of the land, as appraised by a consulting firm that both sides agree to.

The Israelis need to make good for their occupation of the West Bank and Gaza. The Palestinians have a right to return to the same real estate value that they got in 1967, plus a fair rent payment based on the 30 year T-bill of 1967. The Israelis pay them whatever the appropriate payment is for the land that they took.

Now Israel has a defensible border that it owns legitimately. The Palestinians have fair payment for their land and a chance to economically rehabilitate. They also have a cohesive state.

The terrorist issue is resolved by separation. For a period of 5 years, nobody may pass between Palestine and Israel. Period. No more guest laborers going from house to house. Since there are fewer points of contact this becomes easier. This way there is time for economic reforms to work and for the Palestinian government to consolidate its authority and crush HAMAS.

The Jerusalem issue is resolved by depopulating East Jerusalem and paying each resident the fair value of his home/business. All non-religious buildings are then destroyed in order to "burn the bridge"; i.e, make this contract irrevocable. The religious areas are then delivered to the control of the United Nations, which charges a tax in order to finance the cost of renovating and providing a credible and reliable security perimeter in order to enforce free religion within the area.

Any comments?

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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 350 times:

You need to clarify this land swap idea. If it means Israel giving up more land outside of the West Bank and Gaza, I am opposed to it. They should not have to make these kinds of concessions for peace from terrorists.

The rest sounds interesting, except the part about destroying non-religious buildings in Jerusalem. I like the idea of having absolutely nobody traveling between the nations for a good five years.



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User currently offlineDell_dude From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 338 times:

I'm a PROUD supporter of the nation of Israel. I DO NOT support the palestinian terrorist state.

DELL_dude


User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 336 times:

you like I know its extraordinarily unrealistic and unfair, but at least your thinking, something more than Sharon and Arafat!

User currently offlineFlyBoeing From United States of America, joined May 2000, 866 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 318 times:

Tbar:

Oh, no, Israel doesn't give up land outside the West Bank/Gaza. That isn't fair at all. What kind of loony would ask for Israel to give up the land it gained at its inception? Israel didn't exist at the time. The relevant authority to go to for compensation is the British Commonwealth.

My guiding light is that both sides deserve to exist in peace and economic security. The current situation is untenable.

Everybody is allowed to have land, just not the land that they were sitting on.

Also, this thinks up a legitimate way for Israel to compensate the Palestinans. They buy the land (including whatever they need for defenses in the West Bank) for an internationally agreed upon price and they also compensate the Palestinians according to fair rents for the land that they occupied.

These rents would be pretty damn big, but the U.S could help finance it with a loan.

I set up the notion of destroying all the non-religious buildings in East Jerusalem in order to "burn bridges." - this ensures that East Jerusalem will only exist for religious purposes. Nobody will have any reason to go there except to worship, and that right will be guaranteed by the U.N security force.


User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 310 times:

I think we need to make Jerusalem, including the Holy Sites of any and all religions, a piece of property wholly owned and maintained by Iceland. Or Greenland. Or Thailand.

Find the most common sensical group of people who have no Earthly interest in the place and have them administer it. And what they say goes.

And if that doesn't work, bulldoze the whole joint and park old DC-9s there.


User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 293 times:

Heavymetal,

Yours is the best idea i've seen in a very long time  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



VH-ADG



User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 286 times:

You aren't going to be able to fix the issue....The divisions are just too set in....

I say we give up on both the Israelies and the Palistinians and kick then both out. That way we could move Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and their christian followers in.



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User currently offlineEmiratesLover From Malta, joined Dec 2000, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 276 times:

I absolutely disagree with FlyBoeing's proposals.Ending the occupation MUST be the first step.... the occupation is the root of the fighting.In the long term I think the best solution is a single state over the whole of Palestine where Jews and Arabs could live on the basis of absolute equality.... but first Israel would have to end it's brutal occupation and end the decades long trampling of Palestinian rights.

User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 270 times:

EmiratesLover, while I agree that the occupation should come to an end, do you understand how the Israelis could feel differently.

It's like for 50 years now the Arabs have been telling them we don't want you hear, we want you gone, dead, leave, go, die etc....

And now its like uhh well, fine, stay, but, give me a little room and it'll be peaceful, and everything the Israelis know from the last 50 years is telling them differently.

Also, the other problem is that not all Palestinians will respect the PA leadership, so there will never be complete peace.

So Israelis are forced to ask themselves no peace and some of the land? or no peace and all of the land?

Naturally they are choosing the latter.