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Canada MP Reject Pm Call Revisit Same Sex Marraige  
User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1549 times:

Filed by Reuters....

Quote:
OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canada's Parliament upheld a 2005 law allowing same-sex marriage on Thursday when it threw out a bid by the minority Conservative government to revisit the contentious issue.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper put forward the motion after promising his socially conservative backers that he would do so, but most observers had expected it to fail..........

.....Legislators voted 175 to 123 to reject a motion by the right-leaning Conservatives to re-examine the law.

http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...TmodLoc=IntNewsHome_C2_worldNews-3

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User currently offlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1836 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1544 times:

No big surprise here. Maybe Harper will shut up about it now.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26499 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1537 times:

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 1):
No big surprise here. Maybe Harper will shut up about it now.

He likely will. The general consensus is that he did this to satisfy the small group of religious conservatives within his party, as he has a history of being rather pro gay rights.



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User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1533 times:

I'm happy he got a vote, and I'm happy it didn't pass. I'm sure he is too. I'm Conservative, no problem with gay marriage whatsoever. I'm just glad he fulfilled it as an election promise.

User currently offlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1836 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1530 times:

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 3):
I'm just glad he fulfilled it as an election promise.

True, probably best he kept it, for his sake. However, it would have been better if he had never made it at all.

I don't know if Harper is truely against gay marriage, or was just trying to please the so-cons. He didn't seem to have any problems with Rick Mercer in that little bit he did where he "slept-over" at Harper's place...


User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1524 times:

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 4):
I don't know if Harper is truely against gay marriage, or was just trying to please the so-cons. He didn't seem to have any problems with Rick Mercer in that little bit he did where he "slept-over" at Harper's place...

I don't think he's against it personally, but there's something to be said for motivating your base. And now the issue is finally put to bed, no more wondering when the Conservatives will bring it up, and now it can't be brought up by the opposition in subsequent elections as something that they might do, it's been tried, it failed, it's over as far as I'm concerned.

Edit - Spelling.

[Edited 2006-12-08 01:31:27]

User currently offlineLnglive1011yyz From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1608 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1505 times:

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 1):
No big surprise here. Maybe Harper will shut up about it now.

The ONLY reason why Harper re-opened this was because it was an election promise he made to the true conservatives in his party.

I would probably bet that he is VERY happy that this is over, and that they can put this one behind them.

I applaud our Government today. This is probably one of the best things to have happen in recent times.

1011yyz



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User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1496 times:

Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 6):


I would probably bet that he is VERY happy that this is over, and that they can put this one behind them.

Chalk this up to a shrewd bit of politicking. Harper gets to tell the überconservatives that they tried, but were defeated, and gets to tell everyone else that the Conservatives carried through with an election promise.



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User currently offlineJamincan From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1486 times:

The general consensus seems to be that this was one vote Harper wanted to lose, and he seems to have comfortably achieved it. I'm happy that this time around it wasn't such a big deal. There was some news coverage, but compared to before, it's peanuts.

User currently offlineSKYSERVICE_330 From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 1419 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1459 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
The general consensus is that he did this to satisfy the small group of religious conservatives within his party

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Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 4):
I don't know if Harper is truely against gay marriage

Marriage, yes. I have heard him say in the past that he wants to protect "the traditional definition of marriage," however, I am 99% positive I have heard him say he supports civil unions, although I may be wrong.

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 4):
just trying to please the so-cons

 checkmark  This was a carrot he was waving in front of their faces to get a vote. As many have said already, this is one vote he probably wanted to lose. Harper must try his hardest to hug the political center if he wants a majority in the spring and this was an issue that, if left undealt with, would have dogged him.

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 5):
it's been tried, it failed, it's over as far as I'm concerned.

I think alot of Canadians share your sentiment. I remember hearing mention of a poll on either the radio or the TV that said most Canadians, even if they disagree with same-sex marriage, wanted to leave it be. It is cruel to keep homosexuals in this country in a constant state of limbo and uncertainty not knowing one day to the next whether their right to marry is going to stand.

Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 6):
I would probably bet that he is VERY happy that this is over, and that they can put this one behind them.

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He can tell his so-cons that he tried his best.
He can tout the fact that he kept an election promise.
He took a tool away from opposition parties for the next election.

Overall, a very calculated political move with a high pay off.


User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1444 times:

Quoting SKYSERVICE_330 (Reply 9):
He can tell his so-cons that he tried his best.
He can tout the fact that he kept an election promise.
He took a tool away from opposition parties for the next election.

Overall, a very calculated political move with a high pay off.

Whether you like the man or not, you can't deny he has got some pretty savvy political moves. I liked this one, he campaigned on it, would have been very bad had he not brought the vote up.


User currently offlineLnglive1011yyz From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1608 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1426 times:

Quoting MattRB (Reply 7):
Chalk this up to a shrewd bit of politicking. Harper gets to tell the überconservatives that they tried, but were defeated, and gets to tell everyone else that the Conservatives carried through with an election promise.

So? Are you complaining or is it more of a statement? (Just to make sure)

This is actually one rather smart bit of politicking that I've seen in recent years. One that I think I'd support, period.

The fact of the matter is that most of the country is still 'out' (pardon the pun) on the whole Gay Marriage / Civil Union thing.

The RIGHT thing to do is to accept them into societies little intricacies such as the right to marry, and move on.

Canada is a place where we do the right thing, REGARDLESS of whether or not it's popular. We were accepting of African American / Black people during the slavery days, and in the recent past where our American friends weren't so accepting. Partly because our Government took a stand and decided to go the unpopular route and allow 'them' to be treated like the rest of us.

Sometimes the long-term is better suited to accepting an unpopular / marginally popular decision, than to be wrong all together.

1011yyz



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