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Pinochet Has Died...  
User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3225 times:

Just in CNN. The dictator has passed away.

109 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3219 times:

Sad on so many levels.

So many questions will never be answered.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3198 times:

Scolling breaking news on bbc.co.uk

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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11708 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3154 times:

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
The dictator has passed away.

Well he finally did something useful.

Much as I hate wishing death upon anybody, that man was evil and the atrocious things he did unforgivable.

Dan Smile



...love is just a camouflage for what resembles rage again...
User currently offlineAlphafloor From Chile, joined Jun 2004, 1277 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3123 times:

The news is big... I'm receiving phonecalls by many relatives and friends to comment. My family has suffered a lot due to this bastard. I hope there will be no mess in Chile now with the funeral.


Whatever
User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3107 times:

Yay ! Good riddance.

User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3070 times:

Good riddance asshole. Enjoy eternity in hell.

User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5130 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3047 times:

Sad. He should have had to publicly pay for his crimes. Its unfortunate that Chilean society was never capable of bringing him to trial. Death is the easy way out.

-A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3041 times:

Good Riddance! While it's sad he isn't alive to answer for the murders he had ordered during his dictatorship, I'm not shedding one single tear for that asshole and I'm happy that he died.

Que te quemes en el infierno, Pinochet! May you burn in hell, Pinochet!


User currently offlineTeva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1875 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3041 times:

Champagne !!!!!
My bottle is ready since last week. I can open it now!
Teva



Ecoute les orgues, Elles jouent pour toi...C'est le requiem pour un con
User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3008 times:

Just on this occasion I wished there was such a thing as an afterlife in hell.  gnasher 

I guess we'll have to content ourselves with cursing his memory instead.


User currently offlineLnglive1011yyz From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1608 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2995 times:

I hope he suffered hard.

Never do you want to wish someone to suffer during death, but I think this is one of those times we can excuse ourselves from that 'rule'.

Rot in hell asshole.

1011yyz



Pack your bags, we're going on a sympathy trip!
User currently offlineStratofish From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1055 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2951 times:

Good Riddance!

The question now is if they will give him some kind of "official" funeral to appease his followers (why he still got so many is totally beyond me).

I hope Chile's darkest era has now ended by all means.



The Metro might be the Sub(optimal)way
User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8766 posts, RR: 42
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2932 times:

No tears shed here, but if there's a God judging Pinochet, may he have mercy even on that man's soul.

I'm sure Chile will "heal", if you will, the wounds that are still open and begin a better future for its people.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2932 times:

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 11):
Sad. He should have had to publicly pay for his crimes.



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12):
Good Riddance! While it's sad he isn't alive to answer for the murders he had ordered during his dictatorship

I couldn't say it better!


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2915 times:

I hope that for the sake of the country, President Michelle Bachelet, herself a dissident of the Pinochet regime who lived a few years in East Germany in exile, decides that he does NOT get a state funeral. I also hope the Chilean Military will NOT give him a military funeral. Anything else would mean that he gets honours and Pinochet is NOT an honourable person, but a murderer and dictator.

User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2914 times:

At last, and thank the lord  Smile

I'm not sorry to see him go....



Lee



Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2156 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2876 times:

I shed no tears for his passing. He was a regular bastard and deserved to rot in prison for what he did to his people.

However, his people chose to let him get old and die instead. It was their choice.

He will burn in Hell for eternity, I am sure.

Asturias



Tonight we fly
User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2856 times:

I wonder what people will say of Fidel Castro when he goes? Pinochet was an alterboy next to him.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16367 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2829 times:

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 24):
I wonder what people will say of Fidel Castro when he goes? Pinochet was an alterboy next to him.

Exactly. While Pinochet's human rights abuses were inexcusable, they were no worse than those of any other Latin American dictator. In this regard, he was a typical Latin American leader.

What Pinochet did do well was implement free market reforms which has helped Chile build a strong economy in the last 30 years that is the envy of Latin America. Pinochet was also a strong supporter of the UK in the Falklands war.

If Pinochet is to be villified for his human rights record, then he should also be praised for his pro-market reforms.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2834 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 25):
If Pinochet is to be villified for his human rights record, then he should also be praised for his pro-market reforms.

In other words, it's OK to kill and "disappear" thousands of people as long as you privatise the railways and make rich people richer. What a humanitarian !

 Yeah sure


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16367 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2824 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 26):
Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 25):
If Pinochet is to be villified for his human rights record, then he should also be praised for his pro-market reforms.

In other words, it's OK to kill and "disappear" thousands of people as long as you privatise the railways and make rich people richer. What a humanitarian !

Pinochet's human rights record was no worse than any other dictator in Latin America in that period. However, his ground breaking free market reforms at least brought relative wealth to Chile.

As I said, his human rights abuses were inexcusable, but Chile's strong economy today is due to his reforms. This latter point actually will be his primary legacy.

A balanced review of Pinochet will acknowledge his good running of the Chilean economy, while villifying his human rights abuses, as I am doing.

Kind regards



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2411 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2819 times:

Well, to be honest I don't desire him to burn in hell, or a hard death.

I just sorry for this country which was unable to judge him and make him pay for all the abuses and atrocities of his regime. I feel shamed to see some of my country people actually mourning him.

Anyway, the so called economy miracle would be nothing without our democratic governments keeping the right path. He had nobody to oppose to his ideas and many, many of his government's great ideas are now revealing how unfortunate they were: education, administrative organization, that horrible constitution of ours, etc.

But he's gone. Rest in Peace, at least his mourners will know where to cry for him. Thousands of mothers, sons and wives aren't that lucky, for they'll never know what happened with their beloved ones.

Nothing to celebrate, no hard desired here. Pinochet; just die and be grateful for your damn good luck. I hope you finally realized everything...

Arcano



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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2799 times:

Quoting Arcano (Reply 28):

Very civilized and moderate post ! I can't expect anything else coming from you.
Thanks for using your brain instead of your liver to think.


User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4318 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2764 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 25):
Pinochet was also a strong supporter of the UK in the Falklands war.

And only you would bring that issue to the forefront. When in fact, most Chileans found it despicable that Pinochet actively helped Britain, when at the very least he could have stayed in the sidelines...

Unless you are going to say Britain would have lost without Chile's help!  sarcastic 



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25 Arcano : I don0t see any good comparing Pinochet to Fidel. Dictators cannot be compared or ranked to each other as they are evil of their own. I don't see Pino
26 LH526 : I'm half chilean, making Pinochet's death quite a thing to me. My family always was and is on the pro Pinochet, contra Allende side of history, and wa
27 LH526 : Yyz717 and MIAMIx707, my thinking exactly!! Wise words! It's sad that most people, and that includes some users here as well, don't happen to know the
28 MIAMIx707 : Horrible constitution that just permitted you to vote for a decent new president in FAIR elections? (a rarity in lat. america) If your constitution w
29 Post contains images TuRbUleNc3 : One more out of the way, all we need is saddam to go now
30 Aloges : Allende may have failed, and terribly so, but AFAIK he did not get involved in atrocities like "Colonia Dignidad" and the "disappearances" of thousan
31 Arcano : And you can? I know the EXCAT DETAILED version of what Chile has been in the last 30 years. I was here, I see it everyday. I see the deep effects a d
32 LH526 : I didn't say I do ... I can only try, I know way to much about how my family suffered under Allende and every detail of the Coups military strategy (
33 LH526 : In the end, it doesn't matter wether people are dead because they are being killed (direct murder by the order of Pinochet), or due to the fact that
34 Aloges : Did you really mean to say that every victim of starvation is indirectly murdered by the government? Like I said, I do in no way believe Allende was
35 Arcano : Constitution that is so selfish that didn't allowed the president to remove army's commander in chief, allowed him to remain in the army after he lef
36 Klaus : No, he did not. That is a widely believed but still false myth. Hitler benefitted from reforms which had been set in motion by his democratic predece
37 LH526 : Yes Achim. If a government fails to provide the most basic needs for their people, and due to that failure people die, than this technicaly constitut
38 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : I'm sorry that you're that blind.. or are totally clueless on what happens in latin america. REALITY and "stereotyping" are two different things.. um
39 Arcano : Do you really think the influence of a dictatorship end with the regime? Do you realize than NOBODY in our TV, 17 years after the end, call him "dict
40 Post contains images DfwRevolution : w-o-w
41 Derico : Well if you are pro-free market economics, you have to admit that Pinochet forced Chile into that direction. The way it was done, of course, cannot b
42 Post contains images Boeing4ever : Miraculous...not the term I'd use much like you didn't...didn't he end up causing massive hyper-inflation to fund his "war of defense against Polish
43 EZEIZA : When will she join him? Sorry but it is inexusable to justify this dictatorship based on "it would have been worse without him". He might have saved
44 Aloges : Hence the quotation marks. I'm not blind. I just can't stand it when people reduce their criticism of a heinous mass murderer to "You've been a naugh
45 Superfly : I hope Pinochet likes it hot down there!
46 LTU932 : There wasn't really a democratic government in place, even though the so-called Weimar Republic was the first German democratic state to exist. Hitle
47 RootsAir : I see some people didn't appreciate the word i used to describe Pinochet.... Whatever don't see any other word i can use for him
48 Post contains links Baroque : A cautionary word. Dictators such as Pinochet and Suharto were associated with some awful acts while in power or in the process of getting into power.
49 Danny : In a few decades Chile will regard him as a hero who saved them from communism - the worst variation of dictatorship. Three thousand dead? Sad for the
50 Klaus : Fascist dictators aren't any less murderous than communist ones are. And communism by itself is not any more murderous than capitalism is. It's the di
51 Kiramakora : I do not understand how you can "prove" this. As Arcano stated, had Allende given the ability to lead his mandate, Chile could have been an equally p
52 LTBEWR : As pointed out in a previous post, Pinochet came to power with a lot of support of the USA via it's CIA. Why? Allende did things like have the governm
53 Santosdumont : That's like saying, "Well, the Gol 1907 crash was no worse than any other crash in which a Boeing 737 disintegrated after plunging straight down from
54 Post contains images Cedars747 : I WILL MISS YOU MY LOVE SIGNED MARGARITA
55 Danny : Your statement is simply false in light of historical facts.
56 Klaus : Hardly. The common fact about Pinochet, Hitler, Stalin, Mao and a long list of others is that they were murderous dictators - I don't see any of thei
57 Kiramakora : Very well said.
58 Post contains images Pyrex : Yeah, that sure is one point in his favor
59 PanHAM : Pinochet was a mass murderer - so is Castro Pinochet was in power for a dozen years or so. Castro still is in power - his brother will succeed him in
60 RootsAir : you said goobye to my RU list
61 Miamiair : I am sure he'll run right out and slit his wrists... IMO, the end result for Chile was positive.
62 RootsAir : another indoctrinated american ..... how sad.. may god bless you its not your fault
63 Post contains images Aloges : You go visit a Chilean family who lost a few loved ones to Pinochet's "positive end result" and tell them that, fine? "End result"... sounds a lot li
64 Post contains images Alphafloor :
65 Post contains images EZEIZA : Say that to the families of the murdered/dissapeared. No wonder the world was, is and will be screwed up when people, having the benefit of being abl
66 Post contains links and images EZEIZA : this person, who seems to be sleeping peacfully, is responsable for the murder of thousands, no matter what. These are the facts.
67 Post contains links LTU932 : Are you not considering the casualties of his regime? What good is a regime which kills thousands of dissidents or simply lets them "disappear"? Plea
68 Miamiair : Nope, Hitler was a nutjob, but guess who else used to torture people, kill them and throw them in prison without the benefit of a trial? You guessed
69 Miamiair : It's a sad fact, but I can say the same thing for the countless numbers of Cubans that suffered the same fate under Guevara.
70 Post contains images Klaus : The difference is that you're apparently trying to find an excuse for Pinochet, while the general consensus among most of us is that any murderous re
71 Miamiair : I don't need an excuse for him. How come the "consensus" here sings Castro's praises in other threads and condemns someone who wasn't nearly as bad a
72 Post contains images LTU932 :
73 Miamiair : Wrong...Want to try again?
74 Klaus : I'm opposed to any murderous dictator. While you're apparently ready to accept murderous dictators, just as long as they play on your side of the str
75 Alessandro : May his soul rest in peace. As for being a dictator, well, he stepped down volunteerly, imagine Fidel doing that? As for the Falklands war, I think ma
76 Miamiair : Injustice is just that, no matter where it is.
77 Aloges : You keep mentioning supposed "socialist heroes" such as Castro and Guevara (I know rather little about the latter and certainly am no fan) and you in
78 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : Correct. To you that's a foreign thought since you are in Germany. Go to North Korea, Cuba etc.. in the first, there are thousands (if not millions)
79 MIAMIx707 : I would've loved to see you express the same sympathy for the MANY THOUSANDS of families who were suffering and were destined to suffer even more if
80 Arcano : This is exactly what makes him such an interesting personality, in terms of history. You can almost totally say that Suharto, Castro or Hitler brough
81 MIAMIx707 : By the way I don't dislike anyone because they are socialists/and or who lean left. You can be a leftist, and a socialist nothing wrong. .now when you
82 EZEIZA : George W.Bush? Seriously, any person that commits mass murder is a nutjob, from Hitler to Pinochet, or from Stalin to Milosevic. Political ideals don
83 Derico : Huh? What are you talking about Alessandro? It was Argentina with the Mirages and Exocets, which WERE used, not Chile! ? Off topic, but just correcti
84 Derico : Specially in Chile and Argentina? Why is it there has never been a single communist or radical socialist government elected in the history of Argenti
85 Pyrex : Touché!
86 Alphafloor : The coup of Pinochet was financed and organized by the Nixon government, in particular his Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. In spite of its implic
87 Danny : This is the case in every country.
88 Santosdumont : Break it down for us, Miami. In other words, Pinochet wasn't that bad; never mind the fact that the myriad clandestine operations in which he ordered
89 Post contains images Aloges : Oh, the poor, poor man! He came on his noble white steed to save the fatherland, and only mean beancounters would ever care if he had to get rid of s
90 Kiramakora : I am convinced that you are unable to see the sophistication of the analysis being presented. In response to your definitive statements of life under
91 PanHAM : I think we should agree that the crimes committed by Hitler can only be equaled with Stalin and Mao. In comparison to the latter, Hitler's crimes were
92 Aloges : Agreed - to an extent. Both Hitler and Pinochet went to great lenghts to let dissidents disappear, for example. Of course, every dictator and dictato
93 PanHAM : sorry, but you did not get the message
94 Post contains images SlamClick : Oh no! Papa Gepetto must be heartbroken!
95 Post contains links NoUFO : I know what you mean but some of his supporters seem to happily compare him to Hitler: Picture As much as I'm growing weary of Hitler-whatever compar
96 Bwest : Apart from those who profited from his rule, not too many people will shed a tear for him. The onlty bad thing about him dying si that he couldn't sta
97 Rolfen : boo - hoo To bad it was a quick death.
98 Danny : You cannot compare 3 thousand dead to 12 million dead. Maybe Pinochet was not a good solution but certainly less evil than communists. Stalin killed
99 NoUFO : I didn't. But 3.000 (plus thousands who disappeared or were tortured) are already too many. I loath people who say "look he only killed a couple of t
100 Kiramakora : Next time you face the families of the 3,000 - 5,000 killed (Rettig Report - Amnesty International), or the 30,000+ tortured (Valech Report), please
101 Baroque : Putting Hitler even if he is given Stalin and Mao as travelling companions, into a separate category seems to be an error. In part it has the effect
102 EZEIZA : Of course you can compare, because the point is not "how many". Hitler saw other races and communists as his enemies. Pinochet "only" regarded marxsi
103 Danny : The point is what was the alternative for Chile. And the alternative was far worse than what Pinochet did. I grew up in a communist country I know wh
104 Kiramakora : Again, let me reiterate what I said earlier. Without any instances within the case of Chile, you can be assertive. There is NO evidence to back that
105 PanHAM : Consider this as a neutral statement, based on the fact that a dictator is a dictator, regardless if fascist, communist or - examples in Cuba and Nort
106 Baroque : True. You might, for example, argue that communist Yugoslavia was better than many of the excesses that followed in some of what presumably were not
107 PanHAM : No, it was clearly outlined in his book "Mein Kampf" (my struggle), a manifesto for genocide of the Jewish population. The communists where competito
108 EZEIZA : How do you know the alternative would have been worse if it never happened? Besides, what does it mean? That more people would have died? That the ec
109 Baroque : Are we not saying the same thing? The Reichstag fire was 1933 and that was blamed on the Communists and was followed by the first of his progroms - a
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