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Muslim Kicked Of Aircraft Due To Toilet Trip  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11027 times:
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Human rights advocates say a New Zealand Muslim was publicly humiliated by an airline, after he was escorted from an aircraft when staff tagged him a security risk.

Mr Adam missed his flight and the overseas conference he was to address, despite having his passport cleared before the plane took off.

His case was highlighted in a report - 10 Human Rights Cases that Made a Difference - released by the Human Rights Commission today.

The report did not name the airline, but it was understood to be Freedom Air, the newspaper reported.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3894768a11,00.html

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User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11003 times:
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Not a lot to go on from the story but sounds like he left his seat prior to take off(was the aircraft moving or about to) and likely put up some objection when asked to return to his seat.
IMHO Yet another beat up of the "religious intolerance" shown towards those that have less of it than most!
People get escorted from planes all the time for similar infractions, just doesn't always get blown up in to a Human Rights travesty!
He has been compansated more than most in this situation yet it is still beaten up into an anti islam thing, he was travelling from NZ but not using his NZ passport..WTF

[Edited 2006-12-09 06:41:27]


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User currently offlineBaron95 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1335 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10979 times:

I'm sorry but these days, one of the added job responsibilities of an Airline crew is SECURITY OF THE AIRCRAFT. If, for any reason, the crew feels concerned about security THEY MUST ACT.

The place to sort out if the security concern is valid or not is on the ground outside the airplane, not in flight

I don't know the details of this, but if, before take off, a muslim dressed in religious attire, carry some objects (aperently a stack of relegius books) and spends over 10 minutes in the bathroom, while the crew probably detects movements and sounds inconsistent with normal toilet use, I think the flight crew is justified in having it checked out.

Again, where should they check it out? On the plane? During taxi? During take-off? Of course not. Outside the plane, on the ground, by trained security investigators.

Crew acted properly. YOU CANNOT SECOND GUESS A CREW THAT FEELS CONCERNED. PERIOD.



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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10660 times:

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 2):
Crew acted properly.

Not if it's shown they were racist.


User currently offline4Left From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 81 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10444 times:

OK, I've been quiet on all the profiling and extremist issues, but here is my two cents.

All this extra eyeballing is due to OBL and those nut jobs out there who think that their way of life is better. Those sh*t heads won. They've forced us all to suffer delays, beefed up security and a loss of freedom while we travel. and don't forget the cost factor due to these zealots.

So if we get a little testy when it comes to a certain look or religious statement, we should not be the "bad-guys". I sya look into the mirror and ask yourselves the question. "Did my brother's cause this?" " Should my lif be forever altered by the actions of a few?"

You don't see rabbi's or Priest's dispensing this level of Bull sh*t to their followers. It's purley the clerics who have twisted a peaceful book (the Koran) and focused on the un-educated with tall tale of wonderment if "they" purge the world of the unbelievers.

what's this got to do with air travel? Everything. We can't get anywhere without a camera, dog, human giving us the once over. Hell all i want to do is to get to my destination. We don't desrve this, the world doesnt deserve this.

These clerics now do this to inflame their flock and at the same time the worlds liberals. It's time we al push back and stop this craziness.

Sorry if I took off here, but it just sickens me how we pussy foot around.



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User currently offlineTeamAmerica From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 1761 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10360 times:

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 1):
People get escorted from planes all the time for similar infractions, just doesn't always get blown up in to a Human Rights travesty!

Agreed. People get booted from aircraft every day, but we only debate the issues when a special interest is involved.

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 2):
Crew acted properly. YOU CANNOT SECOND GUESS A CREW THAT FEELS CONCERNED. PERIOD.

Emphatically agreed. The man in question was inconvenienced, but not injured. No trial need be held on board an aircraft.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 3):
Not if it's shown they were racist.

Actually, they could be members of a neo-Nazi group and still have acted properly. Any investigation of the incident should be restricted to the facts and most specificially should not attempt to judge people's character.


According to the article:

Quote:
Mr Adam, dressed in religious attire, had planned to read religious texts on the flight and had gone to the toilet to perform ritual ablutions before takeoff. He spent about 10 minutes in the toilet.

Issues of cultural tolerance work both ways. Mr.Adam should have the good sense to perform his ablutions in private prior to his travels. His cultural needs can bend to the common good just as well as the rest of us modify our behavior to accommodate others.



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10201 times:

Quoting 4Left (Reply 4):
All this extra eyeballing is due to OBL and those nut jobs out there who think that their way of life is better. Those sh*t heads won.

Correct, but largely because many of our reactions have not been all that bright. That bugger has every right to sit there in his cave (except he is more likely in a mansion in a Pakistan city) and hug himself for joy at how we have taken the bait hook line and sinker. I cannot imagine he ever thought he would be as successful as he is being.


User currently offlineTaromA380 From Romania, joined Sep 2005, 334 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10130 times:

In the civilized world, planes takes off following a schedule. If Mr Muslim has other things to do that interferes with the schedule, he better might stay home.

I begin to be pissed off by Muslims and their victimisation & paranoia.


User currently offlineShakeZulaNJ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10105 times:

The article is not very clear on the exact details of what went down. Was the plane still at the gate? Was it taxing to the runway? What exactly was said to the man? Before everyone runs around crying about bigotry, or how the airline crew was right on, let's find out what exactly happened on this flight.

If the plane was taxing to the runway, then he should have been in his seat with his seat belt on. That's a safety measure that EVERYONE needs to follow, regardless of your religious beliefs. If the plane was still at the gate with the doors open, then I don't see what the concern is. Plenty of people use the lav before the flight for whatever reason. He probably chose the lav for prayer because it was private and wouldn't disturb other passengers. Guess that didn't work so well for him though.


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10080 times:

He was removed because of suspicious behavior, not because he was a muslim. I'm sick of these freakin' human rights groups. What about the right of everyone else on that plane to not be blown up because we're not allowed to boot muslims, no matter how they act, for fear of being sued? Same thing with those imams here in the states. I'm really sick and tired of it.


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User currently offlineSupa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10027 times:

Religion is not a license to violate the law.

User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5075 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9978 times:

Quoting TaromA380 (Reply 7):
I begin to be pissed off by Muslims and their victimisation & paranoia.

= Wow. Speak of gross generalizations.

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
Human rights advocates say a New Zealand Muslim was publicly humiliated by an airline, after he was escorted from an aircraft when staff tagged him a security risk.

Mr Adam missed his flight and the overseas conference he was to address, despite having his passport cleared before the plane took off.

His case was highlighted in a report - 10 Human Rights Cases that Made a Difference - released by the Human Rights Commission today.

The report did not name the airline, but it was understood to be Freedom Air, the newspaper reported.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,....html



Quoting StealthZ (Reply 1):
Not a lot to go on from the story but sounds like he left his seat prior to take off(was the aircraft moving or about to) and likely put up some objection when asked to return to his seat.
IMHO Yet another beat up of the "religious intolerance" shown towards those that have less of it than most!
People get escorted from planes all the time for similar infractions, just doesn't always get blown up in to a Human Rights travesty!
He has been compansated more than most in this situation yet it is still beaten up into an anti islam thing, he was travelling from NZ but not using his NZ passport..WTF

= I personally think its great that the NZ HR Commision is being proactive. Thank you for sharing this incident as it affirms my positive impressions about NZ. Interesting reaction from members of the larger country up north ... typical of the deep issues present perhaps in that land?

Cheers,
A.



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User currently offlineThomson735 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9842 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 3):
Not if it's shown they were racist.

Its called Common sense, he is a security risk


User currently onlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9818 times:

According to the article:

"After Mr Adam laid a complaint, the airline replaced his ticket, provided financial compensation and a written apology, held staff training on cultural practices and reviewed how it dealt with security threats."

These things will happen from time to time, especially given current situations...making mistakes is human..but the fact NZ took the time to address the issue and apologise as well as offer compensation goes a long way....


..certainly better than inane comments as the one below...

Quoting TaromA380 (Reply 7):

I begin to be pissed off by Muslims and their victimisation & paranoia.

Keep your "brilliant" comments to yourself... sarcastic 



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User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2971 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9793 times:

The article seems extremely one-sided. It's definitely not the best source for what actually happened.

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 2):
I don't know the details of this, but if, before take off, a muslim dressed in religious attire, carry some objects (aperently a stack of relegius books) and spends over 10 minutes in the bathroom, while the crew probably detects movements and sounds inconsistent with normal toilet use, I think the flight crew is justified in having it checked out.

I completely agree.

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User currently offlineMEACEDAR From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9682 times:

Umm..... so, what's new?

User currently offlineJamesJimlb From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9547 times:

to answer stealth z's question,

i believe it said the flight was grounded so the answer to your question is most likely "about to".

i think it was ridiculous that some who was Muslim went to the bathroom and got kicked off the plane!

,James



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User currently offlineSJCRRPAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9549 times:

They should lock the LAV's before take off and tell people to use the lavs in the terminal. I was on a WN flight from SEA-SJC, when someone went in the LAV and set off the smoke alarm (he said he twisted the air vent and suddenly smoke came out of it). They didn't kick him off the flight, but the flight was delayed for like an hour while the mechanic came in to make sure their was not something wrong with the plane.

User currently offlineEXMEMWIDGET From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9390 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 3):
Not if it's shown they were racist

Muslim is not a race...it is a religion. If I were a Muslim, I wouldn't do anything on an aircraft that would in any way attract attention to myself (for obvious reasons). Muslims shouldn't blame non Muslims for their perceived paranoia; but instead, blame the Muslim extremists for the warranted security concerns.


User currently offlineEXMEMWIDGET From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9314 times:

Quoting Thomson735 (Reply 12):
Its called Common sense, he is a security risk

Exactly.....Quite simple and quite accurate.


User currently offlineAY104 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 505 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9075 times:

Another example of how different religious groups and ethnic minorities use the work "discrimination" when ever it pleases so that they can have life bigger and better than anyone else. Usually they who blow the "discrimination" whistle are the biggest hippocrites. I guess the term would be "reverse discrimination" and I, and the rest of the world, are getting pretty damn tired of it.
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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8988 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 9):
He was removed because of suspicious behavior, not because he was a muslim.

Isnt this the entire story in a nutshell?


User currently offlineB707Stu From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8871 times:

If the comments below are an indicator of where we're going in this world, it's a sorry state indeed.

As somone who was at the WTC on 9/11, ran for my life and witnessed UA175 hit the second building, I know what it means to be terror-filled and have spent a decent amount of time getting over the experience. I say this only to qualify what I'm about to say next.

These next series of comments indicate people who's fear is greater than their faith in humanity. 99.999999% of muslims are not interested in duplicating the acts of 19 guys with switchblades and a plan. People need to stop reacting to the initial terror, from Bush on down. This has all played into the hands of a sub-cult of a sub-cult.

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 2):
Crew acted properly. YOU CANNOT SECOND GUESS A CREW THAT FEELS CONCERNED. PERIOD.

Apparently you can. The investigation found the crew were wrong, as evidenced by the apology, the compensation to the passenger and the training they subsequently received.


Quoting 4Left (Reply 4):
So if we get a little testy when it comes to a certain look or religious statement, we should not be the "bad-guys". I say look into the mirror and ask yourselves the question. "Did my brother's cause this?" " Should my life be forever altered by the actions of a few?"

Depends on how you define 'brothers.' 99.99999% of muslim brothers didn't do it either. If you think of brothers as human beings that doesn't change that equation.

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 5):
Issues of cultural tolerance work both ways. Mr. Adam should have the good sense to perform his ablutions in private prior to his travels. His cultural needs can bend to the common good just as well as the rest of us modify our behavior to accommodate others.

I think a locked door in a bathroom is as private as one can be on an aircraft. If you're saying no bathroom usage by anyone prior to take-off that's a different argument. That would be fair.

Quoting N766UA (Reply 9):
He was removed because of suspicious behavior, not because he was a muslim. I'm sick of these freakin' human rights groups. What about the right of everyone else on that plane to not be blown up because we're not allowed to boot muslims, no matter how they act, for fear of being sued? Same thing with those imams here in the states. I'm really sick and tired of it.

Suspicious behavior being that he was in the bathroom for 10 minutes? Hardly suspicious behavior.

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 10):
Religion is not a license to violate the law.

What law was violated?

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 11):
I personally think its great that the NZ HR Commision is being proactive. Thank you for sharing this incident as it affirms my positive impressions about NZ. Interesting reaction from members of the larger country up north ... typical of the deep issues present perhaps in that land?

I think you got it right and tapped into the half-of-the-argument many aren't interested in hearing.

Quoting Thomson735 (Reply 12):
Its called Common sense, he is a security risk

What made him a security risk? Going to the bathroom for 10 minutes?

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 13):
"After Mr Adam laid a complaint, the airline replaced his ticket, provided financial compensation and a written apology, held staff training on cultural practices and reviewed how it dealt with security threats."

Exactly.

Quoting EXMEMWIDGET (Reply 18):
Muslim is not a race...it is a religion. If I were a Muslim, I wouldn't do anything on an aircraft that would in any way attract attention to myself (for obvious reasons). Muslims shouldn't blame non Muslims for their perceived paranoia; but instead, blame the Muslim extremists for the warranted security concerns.

With this logic I should be considered a criminal because of all the criminals that share my religion? Very strange argument.


User currently offlineAxio From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8512 times:

Questions: Why couldn't he go to the loo in the terminal building? Isn't it very unusual for someone to use an aircraft toilet before take-off?

And yes, 10 minutes in the loo, the crew could certainly have used the excuse that they were worried he was sick... 'cause that seems like a long time.



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User currently offlineANNOYEDFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8471 times:

I am just so SICK and tired of hearing about this subject. When the gay couple was threatened on the AA FLT everyone was up in arms saying how they were to publically affectionate. What is the difference in this case? I don't wear my religion on my sleeve like most muslim people do. If they choose to do so this is what may happen when they act suspicious. I had this happen before on a flight of mine. Middle Eastern guy acting weird and doing weird things. I noticed and so did the other PAX. We went back to the gate and he was detained checked out and allowed back on the flight no harm done.

I'm sick of reading the paper and first thing you read is take for instance Muslim taxi cab drivers won't carry liquor because it's against their religion.. Are you kidding me? It's not your business what people carry in their luggage or choose to do. If they stop drawing so much attention to themselves maybe we'll see less of this only to be replaced by something else. If your so religious and holy what are you doing here in America? The un-holy land? Moving on!



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25 Supa7E7 : No law was violated. The laws I am aware of state that pax can be inspected, questioned, and searched at any time, for any reason. To violate that la
26 Mariner : How did the crew know he was a Muslim? The article says he was wearing "reilgious attire" - but what does that mean? Was he wearing a turban? He migh
27 777ER : One thing we have to take into consideration, is the fact that he could have been praying, and didn't want to pray in front of the other pax incase he
28 Baron95 : Let me rephrase that - You cannot second guess a crew on the airplane. A plane can have only onde captain and people aiding him in doing his job. Yea
29 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Muslims aren't allowed to pray in the restroom... 10 minutes in the loo isn't a lot, I've seen that happen with others from time to time....
30 Wingnut767 : No the crew was right. The problem is here in the U.S. we have to play games because of the special interest group, the PC A-holes and lawyers who ar
31 Thomson735 : Im not going to say it, but ill give you two guesses what makes him suspicious and i can tell ya it aint going ot the bathroom
32 SJCRRPAX : I think you are splitting hairs here. The article says he went into the lav for ritual ablutions, which I am pretty sure means washing yourself befor
33 777236ER : Nonsense. Racial profiling is racism.
34 Dallasnewark : To B707stu and Jacobin 777; If you'd lost a child or a parent on 9/11 you'd be singing a different tune now instead of being all apologetic to the peo
35 Dallasnewark : Wrong... It's a necessity.
36 Thomson735 : I dont see any American or British Terrorists (Except the media)
37 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Actually I'm not splitting hairs...doing abulation and the physical act of praying are two different and separate things.....Muslims can't do their p
38 Mariner : Because the incident happened in New Zealand. How hard is that? mariner
39 Luv2fly : The voice of reason, like always.
40 Post contains images Allstarflyer : Glad your heart still bleeds red. Yeah, so what's the issue, then? This is going to keep happening, anyway. Muslims who are readily identified as suc
41 CaptainCanuck : So lets say you're a cop. Your town has a drug problem. Drugs sold by, lets say, white Canadians. How do you solve the problem? Well, according to so
42 Post contains images Wingnut767 : Was he not a New Zealander flying in the U.S?? You have got to be kidding?? You actually think a thousand year old civilization was ruined!!LOL I thi
43 ABQopsHP : Asking my fellow airline employees this.........How many times before departure did a pax go into the lav right before departure, and cause you (me) t
44 Mariner : I can't imagine that the New Zealand Human Rights Commission has any jurisdiction over anything that happens in the US, and if he was on a US airline
45 Post contains images Jacobin777 : You need to learn some history..
47 Post contains images ABQopsHP : Me too
48 Post contains images Riyadhnurse : Well stated and I totally agree! If you can't conduct yourself in a manner that is compliant with all instructions from the air crew,and have some co
49 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : Yea, answering the question "Sir, what are you doing in there?" with "Dropping some bombs" probably wasn't the best answer.
50 Wingnut767 : Please tell me. What history am I missing? So when the planes slammed into the towers we saw on the news pictures from Capital cities. Pictures of pe
51 Wingnut767 : And probably not to mention the rules of New Zealands governing body for Air travel. Like our own in the FAA
52 EK345 : Wow... i'm speechless... that people in today's world can make these sort of statements and consider themselves civilized. EK345
53 JetJock22 : Having just completed GSC training for a well known US airline, I think your points are completely off base. Before I went to the training, I was in
54 ZKSUJ : While I sympathize with Mr Adams and do agree it is an unfortunate event. The thought of some one using the toilet before flight for a long period of
55 Post contains images 777FlyGuy : Ummm..perhaps you've never heard of the crusades? Maybe Muslims have a reason to hate Christians that dates back those 1400 years?
56 B707Stu : I lost a very good friend in the WTC so please don't tell me what tune I'm singing. If we follow your logic that means that McVeigh represents all of
57 ZKSUJ : Don't forget Ghengis Khan and Tojo for all Asians, Hilter for Germans etc etc...
58 B707Stu : Actually I was in the business, for quite sometime, also spent many years of my youth dodging IRA bombs in the middle of England so I'm quite familia
59 Post contains images Wingnut767 : Okay, Mcveigh one bombing. Why is it people always bring up McVeigh. And did he do it because he was white? Christian? No Muslims , Many terrorist bo
60 Wingnut767 : And how did the Muslims come to own the land that the crusaders tried to retake.( Note, retaking it means that somebody else had invaded it) Who owne
61 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ....and people are tired of hearing the same old "propaganda" from this government..hence why they are getting the "boot"..
62 DZ09 : "Mr Adam, dressed in religious attire, had planned to read religious texts on the flight and had gone to the toilet to perform ritual ablutions before
63 F9Animal : It seems as though the Muslim community might be taking advantage of these situations. For example: How is one to really know if your Muslim?
64 DZ09 : What advantage can they possibly take from this? This is bad publicity after bad publicity. It's either they're the dumbest people on earth or somebo
65 Post contains images JumboJetLA : HI! OK FIRST POST on here I think the crew acted as they were supposed to..after 9/11 we are in a different world.. there are rules to be followed and
66 Baron95 : Dude you are quoting the wrong person. B707Stu is the one saying the crew can be second guessed.[Edited 2006-12-10 03:02:20]
67 Post contains images Jacobin777 : A restroom as a sink and water..which means one can do abulations (wudu) in the restroom....I've done it myself...and since it was on an EK flight, t
68 Baron95 : First off, I didn't say the crew is always right. I simply said that, in the airplane, while airborne or getting ready to get airborne, you CANNOT SE
69 DZ09 : That is not my understanding. A restroom is not considered clean for ablutions, and that is the reason why the actual toilet is separate from the res
70 NW1852 : I will try my best not to type angry, but I can not believe the liberal responses written so far (aclu anyone). I like most Americans still feel an in
71 LAXdude1023 : No matter what religion or color skin the person has, if the crew has suspecions, then they can take such actions. The article was too vague. Would th
72 777FlyGuy : You really should check your numbers here. I'm not defending what happened, but it wasn't even close to 10,000.
73 StealthZ : Likely would not have been a problem on Freedom if he had chosen a more appropriate time to do it, try taking your ablutions while EK are attempting
74 NW1852 : My error close to 3,000 people died in the attacks.
75 PITrules : So where are all the anti-New Zealand posts? If this incident happened in the US, we would see a bunch of posts from non-Americans telling us how igno
76 Mariner : Apart from the fact that there is no need to SHOUT everything you say happened in this instance. The crew was not countermanded on the plane, the pas
77 PIA777 : That is one of the dumbest things I have read. Paranoia??? Do you even know what that means???? TSA is paranoid, US airways if paranoid, This New Zea
78 B707Stu : Since I think you were referring to me I'll respond. A best friends brother died, another good friend's Mother died and a two very dear friends were
79 B707Stu : It was just under 3,000.
80 B707Stu : AA threw an AIDS patient off of an aircraft at ORD because he had to inject himself with medication. AA was sued and lost. Staff subsequently went th
81 B707Stu : McVeigh was a right wing racist supremist, not very different from the Muslim fascists to which you refer. The color may change but the craziness is
82 Abrelosojos : = Ok, I have no idea what you are talking about. What has the NZ-HR go to do with the indigenous populations of South America? Just to make sure ...
83 777ER : Ahhh because the NZHR has got nothing to do with South America because South America is not part of NZ. The airline which is believed to be at fault
84 474218 : A racist believes his race is superior to all other races. Racism is the belief that one race is superior to all others races. I dont see how removin
85 EK345 : LAXdude1023 welcome to my resepected users list for reply 71. It's unfortunate that the world has come to where we are today. Let's all just focus on
86 B707Stu : Well said.
87 LAXdude1023 : Thank you much my friend. Very well said. No one comes to a.net because they are a certain race or religion, we come here because we love aviation in
88 Bimmerkid19 : close your mouth with that bigotery
89 Werkur767 : The terrorism turned the world a less security place, so think or do it these things to a muslim is not right, person is a person, not necessary a bad
90 Baron95 : Care to point out the bigotry in my remarks. I don't know what happened in that flight - there is not enough info in the article. My point is simply
91 Baroque : You are not exaggerating either, it is probably a sub-sub-sub cult and panic in the west has done the rest for them. Well it used to be but I might h
92 Wingnut767 : My Mistake. I thought by an earlier post that it was Freedom Air that flys Delta Express here in Orlando. They also mentioned him not having a passpo
93 Wingnut767 : I assumed that your country being Venezuela that you were referring to the posts from the U.S. Thus the reference to Human rights issues in S America
94 OA260 : Or Muslim doctors in UK that wont treat patients with STD's!! I have to say everyday i get more pissed off too at these things. These people should f
95 CroCop : They do this on purpose. The plane is taxiing, or they are huddled in the back of the plane talking and being sly, they know what they are doing. Mus
96 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Ok.now I see the point where you are coming from.. .. The toilet is separate from the abulation room if there is enough possible room/space for it (a
97 4Left : There is no reason any airline or airport need make any changes in their operating process. If you [a pax] look nervous, make potentially damning stat
98 Post contains links ME AVN FAN : a still working WEB-link : http://www.xtramsn.co.nz/news/0,,11964-6677082,00.html - civilized world ? Suppose that planes even in Romania take off fol
99 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ..what's your point
100 Abrelosojos : = ... because you assumed that we in Venezuela would fall under NZ HR? Anyways. -A.
101 Post contains images LAXdude1023 : That is indeed quite a story my friend. I hope I never have to deal with that. My issue (whenever things like this come up), is not that the man got
102 ME AVN FAN : If so, why then do you treat an in reality rather minor incident, which just was blown up by some journals, as a major affair ?
103 Wingnut767 : Here in Orlando there is a large clinic that had 13 doctors of all nationalities. Three of them were Muslim. During 9/11 which three doctors were see
104 Post contains images Jacobin777 : .....That person better make sure they have a lot of imodium with them. ...
105 Post contains images Baroque : You identify my QF41 problem with positively clinical accuracy! However, it seemed to me the time was not that extended before the banging came on th
106 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : - THE question rather is professionalism. They gave all attention to a religiously clad Muslim, and so the question is whether they were too much abs
107 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I guess if I was if I was an F/A etc. and someone had a tummy problem and needed to spend some extra time in the loo, the time factor would be low in
108 Baron95 : Airplane lavatories are a scarce resource (particularly in coach) and are to be used for the intended purposes and as expeditiously as possible. On a
109 Abrelosojos : = First off, I really hope I do not have you serving me on a flight. If you are an "annoyed fa", perhaps you should find a different profession? Now
110 Jacobin777 : For the umpteenth time...Muslims are not allowed to pray in the lavatories..... He might have been doing abulation, but that shouldn't take more than
111 Mariner : So if someone sitting on the toot whispers to God (any God, assuming they believe in God) that they wish the flight was over, that would be breaking
112 Post contains images Baron95 : OK, if you are flying on Mexicana, and eat their refried beans burrito, and have to rush to the lavatory, yes, in this case there is an implied exemp
113 Supa7E7 : There are no laws about praying or not praying. There are just laws about security. Some people believe they have the right to ignore or obstruct secu
114 Mariner : You keep telling me what I am thinking or what I know - ("you don't seem to understand"). Do you really believe that anyone who used the example I ju
115 Post contains images Baron95 : OK, actually I don't know. You use expressions that are unfamiliar to me. I don't know for instance what "sitting on the toot" means, but I took a gu
116 Wingnut767 : Is not everone an immigrant?? Did we not all start out in Africa? You obviously missed the big story here in MSP. Muslim cabbies were not picking up
117 Post contains images Mariner : Your guess was probably spot on. If you're in the aircraft lavatory, there are not many places to sit. If you have trouble with my unfamiliar phrases
118 CroCop : It is going to take Americans to stand up and stop taking these peoples crap. We are a forgetful nation. We always need to be reminded of these nasty
119 Post contains images Baroque : God only knows! Is that not the purpose of their going to the toot, dunny, comfort station or whatever, that they relieve themselves of, and therefor
120 Mariner : I am deeply disturbed that you are bringing such intolerance into a debate about an internal New Zealand affair. New Zealand is one of the most toler
121 SJCRRPAX : Anybody else vote for deleting this thread now as opposed to archiving it? Seems the only info worth saving is that some dude got kicked off a plane f
122 ME AVN FAN : - The point is that he was NOT praying there, and neither doing arobics or game-playing (sorry what games exactly ? ) but simply used the toilet and
123 Kay : I don't think that it is ok to delay an aircraft because one man has pray. Next time I am waiting for a delayed flight, if the attendant tells me "som
124 ME AVN FAN : the man did NOT pray there. Why he needed more than 5 mins. to sh.. and wash is something I however canNOT tell you. The man has to learn to sh.... f
125 Post contains images Prebennorholm : Until further notice I have in my mind put a little red flag besides that so called "Human Rights Commission". I'm a human being. I would respect them
126 Kay : Probably the washing ritual, which is also a religious activity. Not praying, but stalling a whole plane for a religious activity. Nothing against re
127 ME AVN FAN : - Go to ANY mosque and you in many places can see people doing the "washings". Sorry, it takes rather a short time and NOT 10 minutes. So that neithe
128 Flynavy : How ironic - that the airline involved was "Freedom Air."
129 ME AVN FAN : well, to quote from the report - """ the airline replaced his ticket, provided financial compensation and a written apology, held staff training on c
130 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Do you even have a clue as to what you are yapping about? Lol...I see your point... Maybe he had excessive bowel movements...
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