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Kucinich Will Run For President In 08  
User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7407 posts, RR: 50
Posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2698 times:
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Our favourite resident loon on the left, Denis Kookcinich is running for the Oval Office again. Looks as if Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama will have some serious competition. I think General Zod has a better outside chance than Congressman Kookycinich.


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39820 posts, RR: 74
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

Kucinich is a fine individual and a great Congressman. I don't think that he has a chance at a national office though.
He isn't competing for the same voters are Senator Clinton or Obama.
Senator Clinton is a moderate and Congressman Kucinich is a liberal. They represent different segments of the Democratic Party.



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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20479 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2688 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Thread starter):
Our favourite resident loon on the left, Denis Kookcinich

::scribble:: I'll make note of that the next time someone says it's Ted Kennedy, Cindy Sheehan, or Michael Moore.

I actually voted for the guy in the Oregon primaries the last time around, only because Kerry already had the nomination in the bag, but Kucinich still made it to all the local town hall-style meetings he'd set up. I cast my vote to say thanks for paying attention to us even when he didn't have to. He ended up getting 15% of the Oregon vote during the primaries, IIRC.



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7407 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2675 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
Kucinich is a fine individual and a great Congressman.

Not sure about the great congressman but he is a nice guy. I went to listen to him speak during the 2000 campaign, and got to shake his hand. Seems like an alraight guy. I just would never vote for him.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
I don't think that he has a chance at a national office though.

We agree there

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
He isn't competing for the same voters are Senator Clinton or Obama.

And there.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
Senator Clinton is a moderate and Congressman Kucinich is a liberal. They represent different segments of the Democratic Party.

Well, we really aren't sure what Hillary is. She changes her theme form time to suit her popularity, but as do most politicians. But she ducks the hardball questions. She doesn't go on any circiut TV shows like Hardball, The O'Reilly Factor, or Lou Dobbs. She's totally absent from TV. I wonder how well she would come out under pressure. She's going to have to go live and in person. She's not going to win the way she did in NY. The national stage is different.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
Cindy Sheehan

Oh and on that subject.  Wink
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,235882,00.html

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
He ended up getting 15% of the Oregon vote during the primaries, IIRC.

But he won't score that well in key states such as Iowa, NH or Michigan.



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User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2668 times:

I would agree that he doesnt have a realistic shot at winning the oval office

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
but Kucinich still made it to all the local town hall-style meetings he'd set up.

He was also the ONLY Presidential candidate to campaign in all 50 states. He was in Alaska, he campaigned which is a first for our state. The only time we see the commander in chief is on a re-fueling stop once at Elmendorf AFB once a term. IIRC Bush has not been here since his 04 victory.

I personally would like to see all the primaries held on the same day. With the system we have now, POTUS candidates only need to focus on a few key states for thier nomination, and that isnt fair to the rest of us.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39820 posts, RR: 74
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2668 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 3):
She doesn't go on any circiut TV shows like Hardball, The O'Reilly Factor, or Lou Dobbs.

She has too much class to waste her time on trashTV programs like that.
She has appeared on Larry King.



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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20479 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2668 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 3):
But she ducks the hardball questions. She doesn't go on any circiut TV shows like Hardball, The O'Reilly Factor, or Lou Dobbs.

She was running for Senator from New York in her last election. Why on earth would she waste her time on the above programs, in fact, which of the current crop of White House contenders make any sort appearances on those shows? Every now and then I see Bill Richardson, but he's usually just giving commentary on the immigration problem as a sitting governor.



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2665 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
Kucinich is a fine individual and a great Congressman.

Well a bankrupt city of Cleveland say otherwise about his financial abilities of the "boy" Mayor!

http://www.realchange.org/kucinich.htm



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User currently offlineDvk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2653 times:

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 4):
I personally would like to see all the primaries held on the same day.

Absolutely! The way the primaries are staggered deprives the states with later primaries of any real voice in who gets nominated.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2651 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
He isn't competing for the same voters are Senator Clinton or Obama.

Or competing for the other 99% of the voters either . . .

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
Senator Clinton is a moderate

 rotfl 

May I have naive friend from San Fran for $1000 please, Alex.

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 4):
IIRC Bush has not been here since his 04 victory.

 checkmark 

And Clinton blew through here at 0200 on his way to Asia several years ago, fortunately, it was at night so it didn't dick up downtown traffic. Gov Knowles was out there kissing his ass though.  silly 


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39820 posts, RR: 74
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

ANCFlyer:
Look at her voting record. Afterall, that IS what counts.



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7407 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2624 times:
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Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 6):
Why on earth would she waste her time on the above programs

A lot of viewers, that's why. If Hillary is a true moderate looking to court moderate Republicans, those shows would great places to get her message out. But they would be too afraid of a Bill Clinton/Unhinged moment on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace. But lets be honest here, she's been running for the WH since the mid 1990's

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 6):
in fact, which of the current crop of White House contenders make any sort appearances on those shows?

Republicans
John McCain-Hardball, Meet the Press, The O'Reilly Factor, Hannity and Colmes, Neil Cavuto ,The Situation Room Late Edition, Sacrbough Country
Mitt Romney-Hardball, The O'Reilly Factor, Hannity and Colmes, Neil Cavuto
Rudi Guiliani-Hannity and Colmes, FoxNews Live Aaron Brown Late night, Meet the Press
Newt Gingrich-Fox News Contributer, so he's not able to go on other networks

Democrats
Barack Obama-Oprah Winfrey, ????????????
Hillary Clinton-Larry King, with Bill Clinton, The Today Show?
Denis Kucinich-Hannity and Colmes, The O'Reilly Factor, Your World with Neil Cavuto, Tucker, The Big Story with Jon Gibson, Hardball
John Kerry-Hannity and Colmes, Hardball, Your World with Neil Cavuto, Larry King, Lou Dobbs. Aaron Brown
Jon Edwards-Same as John Kerry

So, it looks like Denis Kucinich is in the lead. He's the most daring one of all them. Hats off to him. He at least has balls unlike the others. I'll give Obama the benefit of the doubt, he's a surprise in the race for the WH, but 6 months down the road, if he's only going to the safe venues, than we'll know what he's made of. If he's confident enough to be president, then he should have no fear of going on a tough show, whether it's a waste of time or not(as you might think), Prime time TV is where they should go, otherwise redflag , they're scared of something

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
She has appeared on Larry King.

A safe venue with her husband. Lets see her on the same show that her husband became unglued on.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39820 posts, RR: 74
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2621 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 11):
John McCain-Hardball, Meet the Press, The O'Reilly Factor, Hannity and Colmes, Neil Cavuto ,The Situation Room Late Edition, Sacrbough Country
Mitt Romney-Hardball, The O'Reilly Factor, Hannity and Colmes, Neil Cavuto
Rudi Guiliani-Hannity and Colmes, FoxNews Live Aaron Brown Late night, Meet the Press
Newt Gingrich-Fox News Contributer, so he's not able to go on other networks

A very safe venue. That list looks more like a membership to a country club. Big grin



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7407 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2601 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 12):
That list looks more like a membership to a country club.

It's going somewhere at least. But hey, I gave Kucinich credit.



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2583 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):
Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):Senator Clinton is a moderate
ÊÊ

May I have naive friend from San Fran for $1000 please, Alex.

 rotfl  Clinton is a moderate?  rotfl 

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
ANCFlyer:
Look at her voting record. Afterall, that IS what counts.

Just goes to show that my much repeated observation that Clinton - a dyed in the wool genuine liberal - has been brilliantly casting herself as a moderate through judicious use of her Senate voting record.


User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20479 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2574 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 11):
Republicans
John McCain-Hardball, Meet the Press, The O'Reilly Factor, Hannity and Colmes, Neil Cavuto ,The Situation Room Late Edition, Sacrbough Country
Mitt Romney-Hardball, The O'Reilly Factor, Hannity and Colmes, Neil Cavuto
Rudi Guiliani-Hannity and Colmes, FoxNews Live Aaron Brown Late night, Meet the Press
Newt Gingrich-Fox News Contributer, so he's not able to go on other networks

Democrats
Barack Obama-Oprah Winfrey, ????????????
Hillary Clinton-Larry King, with Bill Clinton, The Today Show?
Denis Kucinich-Hannity and Colmes, The O'Reilly Factor, Your World with Neil Cavuto, Tucker, The Big Story with Jon Gibson, Hardball
John Kerry-Hannity and Colmes, Hardball, Your World with Neil Cavuto, Larry King, Lou Dobbs. Aaron Brown
Jon Edwards-Same as John Kerry

Well researched list.  thumbsup 

Now a question. All of these people have been regulars on these news shows over the years, and all of them have either hinted at or declared a desire to run for president, or have actually run for president, except for Clinton and Obama. Most of the current interest in Obama is to see if he will be running for president.

Sen. Clinton, in her senatorial campaigns, has never shied away from debates or media appearances, but she's also never publically stated any desire to run for president.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 3):
she ducks the hardball questions.

This is the statement that I took issue with. What evidence do you have that Sen. Clinton shies away from the hardball questions in her campaigns?



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2570 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 15):
Most of the current interest in Obama is to see if he will be running for president.

I think WHEN he'll be running for President. '08 or '12?

Personally, I'd prefer if he waited . . . I'm not comfortable with him solely because he's been a small time State politician and now has a whopping two years in DC. Of course, that may be one of his strengths - only two years exposure to the  redflag , but I think that more likely a disadvantage.

He's got Charisma, he's got smarts, he's articulate, he's definitely a contender, but I think in 2012 not 2008.

Fortunately, however, he's giving Hillary a scare . . . as reported this morning on CNN . . . she's updated her travel schedule and changed some plans based on Obama's appearances in NH and IA.


User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20479 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 16):
Personally, I'd prefer if he waited

I would prefer it as well for the same reasons you cite, but I think that the early interest in Sen. Obama may shake things up a bit, and hopefully the result will be to force serious contenders to come forward. We're stuck with a two-year presidential campaign, so those who are going to run ought to just say so and get it over with.



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User currently offlinePiercey From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 2233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2561 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 7):
Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
Kucinich is a fine individual and a great Congressman.

Well a bankrupt city of Cleveland say otherwise about his financial abilities of the "boy" Mayor!

Damn straight. I'm sorry, he probably is a nice person, but GTFO Dennis the menace.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 11):

Barack Obama-Oprah Winfrey, ????????????

He was on Meet the Press and one of fox news programs.



Well I believe it all is coming to an end. Oh well, I guess we are gonna pretend.
User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2555 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 16):
Personally, I'd prefer if he waited . . . I'm not comfortable with him solely because he's been a small time State politician and now has a whopping two years in DC. Of course, that may be one of his strengths - only two years exposure to the , but I think that more likely a disadvantage.

He's got Charisma, he's got smarts, he's articulate, he's definitely a contender, but I think in 2012 not 2008.

Problem is, if he doesn't run in 2008, he may have to wait until at least 2016 to run. Reason being, if the Democratic nominee wins in 2008, then it's almost a guarantee that person will re secure the party's nomination four years later in 2012. Then when 2016 comes around, the most likely nominee will be the Vice-President (looking at history here). The nomination would still be up for grabs but it would be a difficult uphill battle. So one thing for Barack Obama to consider if if he doesn't run now, he may not have another opportunity to make a serious run for the position.


User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2555 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 16):

I agree as well, he needs some time under his belt. I dont want him to wait to long though. Once they have been in DC to long, the poison sets in. Plus, who is really going to want to deal with the mess Bush has created?


User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20479 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2552 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 19):
So one thing for Barack Obama to consider if if he doesn't run now, he may not have another opportunity to make a serious run for the position.

I strongly disagree with this. Sen. Obama is only 44. I believe he should run for Illinois governor in 2010, then run for president after he has the experience of running an administration under his belt. He would only be in his mid-50's by 2016, and Americans love to elect governors, not senators, as president.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2543 times:

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 20):
Plus, who is really going to want to deal with the mess Bush has created?

This was, really, unnecessary don't ya think?

Anyway . . .

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 17):
but I think that the early interest in Sen. Obama may shake things up a bit, and hopefully the result will be to force serious contenders to come forward

I agree, and it is . . . the democrats will have to get serious about a potential candidate - soon.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 17):
We're stuck with a two-year presidential campaign

 grumpy 

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 19):
Problem is, if he doesn't run in 2008, he may have to wait until at least 2016 to run. Reason being, if the Democratic nominee wins in 2008, then it's almost a guarantee that person will re secure the party's nomination four years later in 2012. Then when 2016 comes around, the most likely nominee will be the Vice-President (looking at history here). The nomination would still be up for grabs but it would be a difficult uphill battle. So one thing for Barack Obama to consider if if he doesn't run now, he may not have another opportunity to make a serious run for the position.

Interesting point about a two term democrat, but that is never guaranteed . . . Obama is a young man, he's got another thirty years of potential presidential bids in front of him. I hope he doesn't wait too long either - but not for your reasons . . . but because I don't want him to get DCized.

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 20):
Once they have been in DC to long, the poison sets in.

Exactly!


User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20479 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2532 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 22):
I don't want him to get DCized.

A second good reason why he should run for IL governor first.



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2528 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 21):
Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 19):So one thing for Barack Obama to consider if if he doesn't run now, he may not have another opportunity to make a serious run for the position.
I strongly disagree with this. Sen. Obama is only 44. I believe he should run for Illinois governor in 2010, then run for president after he has the experience of running an administration under his belt. He would only be in his mid-50's by 2016, and Americans love to elect governors, not senators, as president.

Finally some common sense. While Barack Obama might be an "attractive" candidate, he would be, in 2008, one of the most inexperienced candidates ever to throw his hat in the ring - at least among candidates that have a serious shot at winning. One term senators simply aren't ready to be President, no matter how intelligent and articulate they might be.


25 Post contains images ANCFlyer : And become one of Daley's lackies . . . you KNOW the State of Illinois is run from Chicago City Hall . . . I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy, no
26 Post contains images Piercey : I disagree with that. If he is elected Gov (mind you, Illinois as a state is GOP, but Chicago is so huge it outweighs it) then he could finally clean
27 ANCFlyer : I have two sisters living in Ill, and two brother that did (now living in southern WI), I'll defer to their thinking . . . And as far as I know, the
28 Post contains images Piercey : Used to live in Chicago myself. and how I'd love to see that change. First off, the people Blagojevich and Obama replaced were Republicans. Second, i
29 Post contains images ANCFlyer : If the combat boot fits . . . I went to High School in Libertyville . . . a short stint away from Alaska in my youth . . . so I'm familiar with the a
30 Post contains images Piercey : Oh, gee thanks Like me. Agree with all of his views, but... He is just to inexperienced. 2012 Obama/Richardson back on topic, don't vote for Dennis t
31 Post contains images Superfly : Oh come on now, give it a rest. You have no proof that she is a "dyed in the wool genuine liberal". Keep in mind, she was a Republican until Bill set
32 Luv2fly : It is always possible, but I could not see him doing worse then who we now have in charge!
33 Post contains links Halls120 : BS. She is a liberal, pure and simple. Her health care plan was socialism at its finest. I read it - did you? She has a 95 ranking from the ADA. If y
34 Post contains images N174UA : Hell I may vote for him in the primaries for that reason alone. As long as SHE doesn't win...I'm happy. He'll be a 'has-been' by then. Actually, long
35 Luv2fly : Well we can wish can't we. And even if we demand it will we get it, i.e. Bush Jr.
36 Superfly : Halls120: Well congrats to Senator Clinton for a high liberal score. Liberal is NOT a bad thing. Also, national healthcare isn't all that liberal of a
37 MKEdude : Hillary is not a moderate, nor is she a liberal. Like her husband, the good senator from Noo Yahwk has no political convictions of any consequence. E
38 Post contains images Halls120 : So do you now accept the fact that Sen. Clinton is a liberal? Socialized national health care is indeed a liberal idea. It sure isn't conservative. A
39 Post contains links Jetjack74 : Well, the October 28, 2000 showdown with Rick Lazio is the first thing that comes to mind. When he asked here about state of the education system in
40 L-188 : What happened to former Alaska Senator Mike Gravel?
41 AeroWesty : First you said: Then you went on to quote from her numerous TV appearances. Ooooookaaaaaay then. (I think someone's a bit confused.) Incorrect. JFK re
42 MKEdude : Uhhh...Clay was never president And Kennedy went from the Senate to the White House Just a shot in the dark here, but history really ain't your thing
43 Jetjack74 : I never said or indicated "numerous" TV appearances. There were 3 debates in the 2000, and the one that I cited was only one, and then the last examp
44 AeroWesty : To be accurate, my initial question was in regards to your statement that she "ducks the hardball questions ... and she doesn't go on any circuit TV
45 Jetjack74 : Ok Westy, you win.
46 Superfly : Nope! She supported Dubya & Co's war in Iraq. How come I don't hear any praise from the right on that? JetJack74: Your digging up Lazio? Jesus Christ
47 Itsonlyme : ok, this may be taking this thread in another direction, but right now isnt it all name recognition? I may certainly not know as much as the americans
48 Superfly : That's what I've been saying all along.
49 Halls120 : LOL, you think supporting the war in Iraq erases all of her avowedly liberal positions on a wide range of issues? You are the perfect validation for
50 FDXmech : Hardball, Lou Dobbs..."Trash TV?" How do you figure that? I interpret that that as any show she will need to answer an intellegent question you consi
51 Superfly : Absolutly! This war cost Dubya's party's control of Congress. That was a major blunder on her part in support for this war. I read your link. I've se
52 Halls120 : I'm not "casting" a label on Sen. Clinton. I'm recognizing the label she has earned entirely by herself based on the votes she has cast and on positi
53 Post contains images Superfly : Give me break! Again, what matters is her voting record. Now the conservative spin doctors can pound there chest all they want and throw the liberal
54 Halls120 : You are right, it is her voting record that matters. And she scores consistently in the 90-100% range when graded by most every liberal group that gr
55 Bushpilot : Not really ANC, I mean think about it, the next POTUS is going to inherit Iraq, and by most every account things are not getting better, but getting
56 AeroWesty : I can tell right now it's gonna be a looooooong two years. I hope Johan's upped the bandwidth allotment.
57 Post contains images ANCFlyer : And I could support that . . . by the by, it's Bayh . . . C'Mon 'Fly, you're either or you've got a syntax error . . . You can't possibly believe tha
58 DrDeke : Oh please, gimme a break! If you call that coming "unglued" or "unhinged," you've evidently never met any of my coworkers. Bill Clinton's was a good
59 Jetjack74 : Oh please, yourself, A smear question? He asked him a simple question and he blew up over it.
60 DrDeke : I've seen the video. It was a smear question, and Clinton did not in any way "blow up." Sure, he was angry about the question, but so would any reason
61 Dvk : Much tougher, actually. W has screwed things up much worse than Carter did.
62 Jetjack74 : He did everything but throw chairs. What yo calla smear question was a question most any show host might ask a current ex-president. He accuses Chris
63 Dvk : You're grossly overexaggerating Clinton's behavior. He was angry, but he was contained. He wasn't unhinged, at all. Chris Wallace isn't some innocent
64 Bushpilot : GWB isnt going to be giving to many interviews I would imagine. I think he was in way over his head when he first took office. He is way in over his
65 Jetjack74 : Overexaggeration, hardly, i've never seen a former president conduct himself in this manner, never. Contained? You call repeated, and firmly tapping
66 Dvk : And now who's unhinged? Comparing Bush 41 with Bush 43 is comparing an apple with a rotten orange. Bush 41 has a strong intellect, and the ability to
67 Post contains images Piercey : Have Joe Lieberman run as an independent Smear question? Blew up? If I saw any politician act like that in an interview when a question with question
68 Jetjack74 : I just asked, since these were presidents who waged wars. But it seems you're the type who would liken Bush to Stalin or Hitler. Well, when you can v
69 Dvk : Not at all, and that you would suggest as much is to insult yourself, not me. Yes, I think Bush is an intellectual lightweight, a lifetime profession
70 Post contains images Piercey : Eh... A minor inconvenience
71 Jetjack74 : From who? The press? the anti-war left, who couldn't dig their way out of a tigers ass with cleats on? Bush listened to his advisors, and like Clinto
72 Superfly : Interesting how a thread about Dennis Kucinich has turned in to a Clinton bashing feast.
73 Post contains images ANCFlyer : I don't believe you have the balls to make that statement Larry . . . talk about a perfect example of Pot, Kettle, Black . . . We could start a threa
74 AeroWesty : Completely on-topic. It was proposed in the opening post:
75 Post contains images Superfly : Well it is Bush's fault! The thread topic is; Kucinich Will Run For President In 08 How many times is Kucinich's name mentioned? 18 How many times is
76 Dvk : Multiple military and intelligence experts doubted the "evidence" for WMD's, and advised against invasion. They were ignored. Colin Powell did not wa
77 Redngold : I'm in Kucinich's district. 2002: voted for him, nobody better around 2004: voted for him, getting a bit irked by his grandstanding, but still nobody
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