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Bush Administration Fights Currency Redesign  
User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2017 posts, RR: 23
Posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1765 times:
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From Associated Press...
"An effort to force a redesign of the nation's currency so paper money could be more easily used by the blind would be too expensive and could cause undue hardships on the vending machine industry, the Bush administration says.

...the United States was the only nation out of 180 issuing paper currency that printed bills that were identical in size and color in all their denominations...

...use of such features as varying sizes, raised lettering and tiny perforations used by other nations as evidence such changes were feasible..."


It is really sad that the Bush Administration would rather kiss the vending machine industry's ass, then make our currency easier to use for the blind.


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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1762 times:

Changing the size of notes is an anti-fraud measure, if nothing else.

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1762 times:

Bush's father was the one that pushed for the Americans with Disabilites Act....and now Bush Jr. seems to be killing it.... go figure!!


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User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5815 posts, RR: 31
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1755 times:

Quoting PA110 (Thread starter):
United States was the only nation out of 180 issuing paper currency that printed bills that were identical in size and color in all their denominations...

That always puzzled me about the US dollar. Anyone know why the same size and colours are used?


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1735 times:

Surely having bills off different sizes and with more distinguishing features should be a help to the vending machine industry, rather than a problem - in the long run at least. And since when is the vending machine industry so all-fired important that it can control the currency format of the worlds largest economy ? Presumably the roll-out of the new currency would have to be phased over a long period of time, that should give Coke and Pepsi plenty of time to change their machines.

Look at Dec 31 2001, for example - a currency rollout across 11 countries, changing 11 different currencies to one, affecting 300 million people, was achieved incredibly fast, and with minimum disruption - and guess what ? All the vending machines caught up, eventually - it took a bit of time, but it was achieved. I'm pretty sure America, one country and not actually changing the currency, only the appearance of the notes, could manage it.


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8770 posts, RR: 42
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1726 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 4):

See, George Bush is a conservative. They aren't really known to promote much change - must be something about the name or whatever.  Wink





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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8467 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1716 times:

It's those obese people who will get upset when they goto buy a twinkie and the vending machine won't accept their new $1 note. There will be mass hysteria.

User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1716 times:

Quoting PA110 (Thread starter):
...use of such features as varying sizes, raised lettering and tiny perforations used by other nations as evidence such changes were feasible..."

I don't want varying sizes. It makes it less easy to carry them neatly in a wallet. I don't see why we can't just raise the numbering on the bills, so the blind can run their fingers over it and feel the number "10".

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 3):
That always puzzled me about the US dollar. Anyone know why the same size and colours are used?

No idea. But I do not want purple, pink or gold US dollars.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 4):
And since when is the vending machine industry so all-fired important that it can control the currency format of the worlds largest economy ? Presumably the roll-out of the new currency would have to be phased over a long period of time, that should give Coke and Pepsi plenty of time to change their machines.

Well, think about it. Every dollar bill acceptor (change machines, vending machines, self-service kiosks anything else automated) would have to be changed. Phasing the new currency sizes over a long period of time would still require the machines to be changed quickly - someone will just pass over a vending machine if their new dollar didn't fit and they didn't happen to have an old one on them.

I agree that the numbers on the dollar bills should be raised so the blind can easily access money. This is a very fair compromise for both the automated machine industry and the blind.

AAndrew


User currently offlineSiren From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 345 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1716 times:

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 3):
That always puzzled me about the US dollar. Anyone know why the same size and colours are used?

Because we're pompous and full of ourselves and refuse to change, no matter what? After much resistance, they changed the design in the mid 90s, to make it harder to counterfeit, and then they added colors, ala the Euro. But we retained a uniform look and feel for the currency...

The only reason they are resisting the change is because vending machine makers and owners helped finance Bush's election and re-election, and helped finance the republican party, and pay lobbyists to lobby for exactly this sort of thing to not happen. It's how the political process works in America.

Essentially, a rich group or industry will donate to a candidate running for office. In turn, there is an implied understanding that the candidate will vote in that donors interests. This same rich group also pays an entire class of people called lobbyists. The job of the lobbyist is to be paid by corporations and then go to government staffers and elected representatives, and make presentations and, as the name implies, lobby for a certain legislative action. Many of the the big bills passed recently were in fact written in large part by lobbyists, and aren't read by congress. I love our travesty of a government.


User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1700 times:

Christopher Gray, president of the American Council of the Blind, said that although his group had been lobbying for changes to help the blind since 1995, the government had yet to conduct any feasibility studies of what those changes might cost. He noted that during that time, several design changes had been made to thwart counterfeiters.

Seems the Clinton Administration blew this off too.


(source: http://www.latimes.com/news/printedi...8319.story?coll=la-news-a_section)


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1697 times:

What doesn't make any sense to me is using dollar coins in vending machines would save the vending industry millions!! Why aren't they pushing for that?

As for your over-attachment to your money Aa757first, the Buddha says attachments are the root of all unhappiness... I guarantee you'd get used to different sized and colored bills quite quickly... it all spends the same!  Big grin



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User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1689 times:

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 10):
What doesn't make any sense to me is using dollar coins in vending machines would save the vending industry millions!! Why aren't they pushing for that?

Because they are probably saving more money by implementing machines that take debit/credit cards.

Which would be safer and easier for the blind anyway (to use debit cards for transactions.)


User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1681 times:

Quoting PA110 (Thread starter):
It is really sad that the Bush Administration would rather kiss the vending machine industry's ass, then make our currency easier to use for the blind.

Especially when there is a very simple solution to this...

I don't know about everyone else, but I've never loaded $5, $10, $20, $50, or $100 bills in to a vending machine. So, you keep the $1 exactly as they are, and redesign the rest. Problem solved.


User currently offlineA346Dude From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1299 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1673 times:

Quoting PA110 (Thread starter):
could cause undue hardships on the vending machine industry, the Bush administration says.

 rotfl 

Well, it's clear the Bush administration has the people from Seinfeld writing policy.



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User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1665 times:

Quoting PA110 (Thread starter):
It is really sad that the Bush Administration would rather kiss the vending machine industry's ass, then make our currency easier to use for the blind.

As much as I despise Bush, this might be something I agree with him on. It would be really cost preventative. I dunno maybe he is finally deciding to finally "trim the fat" as he claimed in the 2000 campaign.
You see, we cut taxes, then we increase ear mark spending 20fold, and we deem the need to build nations in places that are already nations, and we cant expect him to veto a spending bill, so in his little mind, the buck really does stop here. Its all justified for him right there.

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 12):
So, you keep the $1 exactly as they are, and redesign the rest. Problem solved.

Well with all the casinos popping up, people do force-feed larger bills into those machines for quarters. While I agree with your thoughts, it would be easier to re-design the one dollar bill and leave the rest the same for vending machine purposes.

Americans dont like much change in thier lives. Especially the right. If we could turn back the clock to the early 1950s, they would be overjoyed. This will in my eyes be like the impending invasion of the metric system! 15 years ago, it was coming, maybe that metric system got held up on the Mexican border at the 800 mile fenced portion of that 2000 mile border. Who knows.


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1654 times:

Trash the paper dollar and start using dollar coins. There are new dollar coins being issued next year for circulation.



And for the hell of it:



User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1636 times:

No dollar coins, they are a pain in the ass . . . as it is I have 22 $1 bills in my pocket at the moment (and before someone trashes me, I have other denominations in there too  laughing  ). I do NOT want to cart around 21 dollar coins in my pocket . . .  no 

As for changing the color - to service the blind?  crazy  Did I miss something here?

Fine, change the size, who cares. As long as it spends I don't care what the size, really . . . within reason. In twenty years, we won't be using currency anyway, we'll all have bank cards or a chip in our forehead anyway . . .

Do I want it changed? Nope. But then, I'm not blind either, and paying for something at a store or concession and hoping the clerk doesn't screw me over. Now, I know how blind folk identify what they carry in their wallets - one method is the "folding" method, singles get no fold; fives are in half; tens are folded lengthwise once; twenties folded twice, etc. But the blind person won't get their change back from a twenty in that fashion . . . so for their sake, fine . . . makes it easier on them and has - in the big scheme of things - no effect on a sighted person.


User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1630 times:

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 12):

Especially when there is a very simple solution to this...

I don't know about everyone else, but I've never loaded $5, $10, $20, $50, or $100 bills in to a vending machine. So, you keep the $1 exactly as they are, and redesign the rest. Problem solved.

Haven't you seen the iPod vending machines that are popping up everywhere??? Those things aint cheap you know  Wink



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1621 times:

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 12):
I've never loaded $5, $10, $20, $50, or $100 bills in to a vending machine

Casino machines take these denomonations.

Mark


User currently offlineYooYoo From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 6057 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1618 times:

I enjoy our $1 and $2 coins.

I've adapted quite well. It's not a pain in the ass like you guys make it out to be.

btw, our Monopoly money is wonderful.  Wink



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1618 times:

These are becoming more popular. They were reprinted in 1995 and will probably be reprinted in 2007 due to demand.



Mark

[Edited 2006-12-14 01:18:19]

User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3708 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1601 times:
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This is the exact reason that the blind shouldn't be issued a dog. They should be given midgets. Mojo could count the money for them.


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User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1600 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 20):
These are becoming more popular. They were reprinted in 1995 and will probably be reprinted in 2007 due to demand.

I actually have a roll of uncut $2 bills I bought at the mint in DC. I bought them in 2002, but they are dated '95.


User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2017 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1596 times:
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Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 21):
This is the exact reason that the blind shouldn't be issued a dog. They should be given midgets. Mojo could count the money for them.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Now that's funny! Sick, but funny!



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User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1580 times:

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 3):
Anyone know why the same size and colours are used?

Yeah...been like that for 75 years. Its cheaper, easier and far more secure to keep one company making and servicing one type of machine that will enable each branch to print every denomination without the need to have separate machines.

"How the bloody hell did you know that, Sean" you ask? History channel actually has a special on this right now.  Big grin



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25 RJdxer : Damn, is it dollar dance night at the booby bar? I was wondering how a blind person gets anything from a vending machine when there is a piece of gla
26 Aa757first : True, but coins are less convenient to carry around. True, but wouldn't it make the most sense to add raises over the number so the blind could feel
27 777236ER : Edit: Wrong thread. Er....I think they should change the colour. Discuss.[Edited 2006-12-14 02:45:42]
28 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Old Seward and Int'l Airport Road . . . The Great Alaskan Bush Company . . .
29 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Don't know why, but I found this humorous.
30 Post contains images Gunships : This was a mandatory stop when we would crew rest at Elmendorf...
31 Post contains images AirCop : Okay this is the second thread you mentioned the Great Alaskan Bush Company, by any chance are you getting a cut of the action Must be the reason to
32 Post contains images Pilotsmoe : Not true. Most newer bill acceptors are capable of accepting different sized bills, they would just need a firmware upgrade. You have to remember tha
33 USAFHummer : Heh...Im thinkin maybe its reminiscent of Mike Myers' character Linda Richman on SNL's skit "Coffee Talk" way back when... "..."I'm getting all vklem
34 Post contains images Jcs17 : Umm, what would happen in strip clubs? I don't want to be forced to put fives in the stripper's g-string, and I imagine coins don't stay in g-strings
35 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Nope, I wish . . . In fact, have been in there once in the last three years . . . just so happens it was about two weeks ago, so still fresh in my br
36 L-188 : And I am sure they will be as successful as the Susan B. Anthony and the Sacajawea (spl?) dollar coins. Now how in the hell do you tuck a dollar coin
37 AsstChiefMark : In Canada, the $1 bill was discontinued when the $1 coin was introduced. Same in other countries. The reason the $1 coin doesn't work here is that th
38 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Who said anything about a G-String?
39 Dvk : I agree. Studies have even shown that the treasury would save a lot of money by going to one dollar coins, because of the obviously greater durabilit
40 Gemuser : No it dosen't, it makes it easier. Why not? Makes it much easier to select the right denomination It's just a software update, can be done by the mon
41 L-188 : And that will help a blind person identify money in what way???
42 Post contains images AsstChiefMark : We could make our money out of polypropylene with transparent, embossed windows to help the blind identify each note. Australia and several other coun
43 Post contains images Ha763 : That's not entirely true. Starting with the latest $20 bill issued in 2003, $50 bill in 2004, and $10 bill in 2006 each one has a different color bac
44 ADXMatt : Not to be disrespectful but what I love is the braille on the drive up ATM machine.
45 AsstChiefMark : Something I quickly noted while living in the UK was that you don't let yourself end up with a pocketful of £1 and £2 coins. You spend them. I rare
46 Dvk : That's what pants pockets are for.
47 LTBEWR : This was the subject of another thread a couple of weeks ago as there was a recent US District Court (Dist. of DC) decision. The decision was in favor
48 TWFirst : I disagree. Coins in my pocket are quite easy to access. In fact, I don't really like carrying a wallet for two reasons... one, safety and two, it's
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