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America's Military Still Protects Europe!  
User currently offlineOU812 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1789 times:

It is wonderful to see the US provide so much for needy countries, as well as aid the security of our brother the EU!

 bigthumbsup 


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/usaf/usafe.htm

United States Air Forces in Europe

U.S. Air Forces in Europe, headquartered at Ramstein Air Base, Germany, is a major command of the U.S. Air Force. It is also the air component of the U.S. European Command, a Department of Defense unified command and the U.S. component of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

More than 35,000 active-duty, reserve and civilian employees are assigned to USAFE. Equipment assets include about 225 fighter, attack, tanker and transport aircraft, and a full complement of conventional weapons. USAFE is organized geographically through two numbered air forces -- 3rd Air Force, headquartered at RAF Mildenhall, England; and 16th Air Force, headquartered at Aviano Air Base, Italy. The command has fourteen installations, six of which are main operating bases - Royal Air Force Bases Lakenheath and Mildenhall in England; Ramstein and Spangdahlem Air Bases in Germany; Aviano AB in Italy, and Incirlik AB in Turkey.


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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8617 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1780 times:

Just what exactly are you smoking?


Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineQR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1768 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 1):
Just what exactly are you smoking?

Whatever it is, I want some.


User currently offlineSpeedbird747BA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1764 times:

When I saw the title, I was thinking of putting 'OU812, the next AerospaceFan', but no. This is ridiculous, while the US does have much military in Germany ( I think we should move it to Poland though, we are more welcome there), it's not for the EUs protection (or to keep Germany in check  Big grin ), its for the purposes of the US, good positioning for the ME ans such.

ASF would not have posted this junk. Now, if you want to say that weve been paying for Canadas defence over the cold war, or that we did actually pay for Europes defense in the cold war, now thats fine.

Cheers,
Kyle


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1774 times:

Personally, I think we really have no need maintaining a major military presence in Europe. The Cold War has been over for over 15 years, so the chances of a Russian invasion of Western Europe are pretty remote. The countries in which we still maintain bases in have their own military that can protect them. Other than perhaps a few support units for AMC charters and other military flights to/from Iraq and Afghanistan and medical units to handle wounded personnel sent from the current theaters of operation, there really isn't a need for a large force in Europe.

Not a single European US military facility was slated for closure in the most recent round of BRAC actions, although there is some realignment of troop numbers in Europe and Asia.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1770 times:

Quoting OU812 (Thread starter):

 rotfl  rotfl  rotfl 

I think you're overdue for your meds or you missed your appointment with the little bottle . . . .

We're not protecting Europe any longer . . . those bases are there for strategic reasons and it's been that way for a decade.

How the hell are you going to protect Europe with 35K troops?  laughing 

When is the last time you were at RAF Mildenhall? How about Ramstein? Nothing but transiet bases, that's all - tech stop points for power projection to the 'real' trouble spots on the globe . . .

What ever you're stirring into your koolaide might I recommend halving the dosage before you explode.

Quoting Aloges (Reply 1):
Just what exactly are you smoking?



Quoting QR332 (Reply 2):
Whatever it is, I want some.

 checkmark  rotfl 

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 3):
ASF would not have posted this junk.

I wouldn't go THAT far Speedbird . . . .  wink 


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8617 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1763 times:

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 3):
I think we should move it to Poland though, we are more welcome there

Your forces are welcome in Germany. What we don't welcome is idiots like Rumsfeld and all the "either with us or against us" tough talk - we're friends, not suck-ups.

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 3):
its for the purposes of the US

 checkmark  and in the best interest of the countries you're in, usually

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 3):
Now, if you want to say that weve been paying for Canadas defence over the cold war, or that we did actually pay for Europes defense in the cold war, now thats fine.

Basically, yes - although defending Western Europe from communism was in the very, very best interest of the US as well a win-win situation, if you will. I'd say you got a good return on your investment, even if that's a brutal oversimplification.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineOU812 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1743 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 6):
Your forces are welcome in Germany. What we don't welcome is idiots like Rumsfeld and all the "either with us or against us" tough talk - we're friends, not suck-ups.

I was a Rummy fan at one time. However, it upset me a great deal when he referred to Europe the way he did. That did not help matters at all & was uncalled for.


User currently onlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 4980 posts, RR: 44
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1734 times:

I've said it before: Given the way literally every single post you make and every single thread you start is an attempt to 'prove' your superiority (be that as an American or as a Republican) over the rest, you must be an incredibly insecure person...

User currently offlineOU812 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1710 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 10):
I've said it before: Given the way literally every single post you make and every single thread you start is an attempt to 'prove' your superiority

If you take it as superior, sorry. That is not my intentions. It's simply to counter the anti-americanism on here. Most of which is propaganda. Yes, Bush/conservatives are not perfect [go ahead flame me for that comment] , things are tough in Iraq. However, that shouldn't equate to the US being painted as bad as many state the US to be.

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 10):
you must be an incredibly insecure person...

You are corect. It's sexual frustration!  sarcastic 

 silly 


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13044 posts, RR: 78
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1705 times:

I'd say that any idea that US forces are protecting Europe, borders on the absurd.
Formed with the idea that it is some kind of one way street.

It is the British and American interest to have US run installations such as Menwith Hill, where it is and locked into the larger UK CGHQ and US Echelon intel gathering networks.
But the US has access to British facilities beyond the UK, the CGHQ outpost on Cyprus-very close to the Mid East, the vital for the US staging post at Diego Garcia, Ascension Island in the South Atlantic-best known for it's role in the 1982 Falklands War also serves US military interests.
To give obvious examples.

France, yes France, allows US use of it's military facilities in the increasingly vital Horn Of Africa. Even to the point of allowing aircraft and drones to operate from there, troops to be staged there.
They do this without seemingly any significant conditions, without charge, so all those who still like to indulge in childish cracks against France, would do well to note this and other significant Franco-US co-operation, but ignorance has always been the foundation of arrogance.

The staging and hospital facilites in Germany are well placed between CONUS and the Mid East, the US has access to air and naval bases in places also important to Mid East US military deployment, such as in Italy, Turkey and Spain.


User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1705 times:

Quoting OU812 (Thread starter):
It is wonderful to see the US provide so much for needy countries, as well as aid the security of our brother the EU!

Hey word to the wise... no self respecting person uses GlobalSecurity as a source on military issues. They're notoriously inaccurate or flat out wrong on a lot of information they provide.

There are far better, and far more trustworthy sites, if you want - I can give a few of the links to you?

Quoting Aloges (Reply 1):
Just what exactly are you smoking?

The question isn't what he is SMOKING, but what is he DRINKING? And the answer is - years and years of KoolAid.

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 3):
ASF would not have posted this junk.

You might be correct... at least AerospaceFan would have made his own argument, instead of letting some other author's article make his case for him.

AerospaceFan, as annoying as he can be, can at least formulate his own intelligent arguments. OU812 simply cuts&pastes other people's articles without even making his own argument. It's intellectually lazy.


Quoting Srbmod (Reply 4):
I think we really have no need maintaining a major military presence in Europe.

 checkmark 

What OU812 fails to realize is just how huge of a withdrawal the military has made from Europe. Just about every major component of the "Big Red One" has been taken out of Germany. The USAF's presence in Europe is a shadow of its former self. USN European port calls are a fraction of what they were during the 1980s.

Our mission in Europe was a success - deter (and defend if need be) a Soviet invasion.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
When is the last time you were at RAF Mildenhall? How about Ramstein? Nothing but transiet bases, that's all - tech stop points for power projection to the 'real' trouble spots on the globe . . .

Bingo.

I see retirement hasn't kept you out of the loop. Those bases are 1/10 the size and power of their Cold War days. They're refueling/resting spots for troops headed to more urgent places.

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OU812, it's clear you were only trying to stir the pot, by suggesting Europe should be thankful for America "defending them."

However, instead of trying to start a flame-war.... why don't you thank our European allies for their support in Afghanistan? Germans, French, English, Canadians, Dutch, and many more who are supporting our troops in the 'Stan. Why don't you thank French and German - you know, those evil socialists nations - for their military forces aiding and protecting American troops, in the effort to stabilize Afghanistan.

See people like you, is what is hurting the US. When you assume the attitude that the world OWES the United States something, and that the world should be eternally grateful for everything the US does for them... you undercut everything we've achieved.

Because, it sounds corny, but we're all in this together. And attitudes like yours, does nothing but piss our allies off. And it perpetuates the image of the ignorant, arrogant American.

Wake up, OU812, wake up.

-UH60


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1684 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 15):
Because, it sounds corny, but we're all in this together. And attitudes like yours, does nothing but piss our allies off. And it perpetuates the image of the ignorant, arrogant American.

Wake up, OU812, wake up.

Well said. It is really sad that the only arguments he CAN come up with are old rehashed bullshit topics that only piss off BOTH sides of the table. People IGNORE him. Please, we will all be so much better off, just let him have an American777 or Shinkai like melt down so we can get a good chuckle out of it.



Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8617 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1656 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 15):
Because, it sounds corny, but we're all in this together. And attitudes like yours, does nothing but piss our allies off. And it perpetuates the image of the ignorant, arrogant American.

 checkmark  chapeau



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineOU812 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1636 times:

Geez guys lighten up.  cheerful 

I am simply trying to show how the US & its military aid the world. Something I feel ,as of lately is over looked. Feel free to share your knowledge & point of view without blowing a gasket!


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1636 times:

Quoting OU812 (Reply 20):
how the US & its military aid the world

I'm sorry, where exactly did you demonstrate this?


User currently onlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4276 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1629 times:

I'm just glad I don't owe my 'freedom' to anyone. That way I don't have to be saying thanks every now and then, woudn't be humble enough  Wink


My internet was not shut down, the internet has shut me down
User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1629 times:

Quoting OU812 (Reply 20):
I am simply trying to show how the US & its military aid the world.

Mmmhmm.. Which is why you thread is titled "Americas Military Protects Europe" and its why your "source" is basically saying Europe is screwed without us... I gotcha.. So Europe and the Us is the world.. So my teachers got it wrong...



Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1605 times:

Quoting OU812 (Reply 20):
I am simply trying to show how the US & its military aid the world.



User currently offlineOU812 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1591 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 24):
ANCFlyer

lol

 blush 


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1594 times:

Quoting OU812 (Reply 25):
lol

You still don't get it do you? We are not laughing with you....


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1572 times:

Quoting OU812 (Reply 12):
the anti-americanism on here

anti-americanism on here ??  scratchchin  never seen anything thelike
- suppose you suffer of bouts of persecution-mania  duck 


User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3760 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1576 times:

Quoting OU812 (Reply 20):

I am simply trying to show how the US & its military aid the world.

No, you're not. According to your thread title you're trying to show how "America's Military Still Protects Europe!" And while that venture is not going very well, you're trying for expressions of gratitude from the "protected Europeans".

Quoting OU812 (Reply 12):
It's simply to counter the anti-americanism on here.

I don't like the term anti-americanism. Reason #1: Does anyone realize that while we criticize and talk trash about lots of countries, only one of those countries has a term for it? The french don't talk about anti-franceism.
Reason #2: Just because we disagree with certain American policies or, well, wars, we are dubbed as anti-american. Once again there's that expectation that we will all just fall into line with the US, and if we don't, we're anti-american. With you or against you. I don't like many policies of the government of the US. I'll continue to criticize the US when I feel like it. However, I do like the USA, and I like it's citizens. So what does that make me? Anti-american? Anyway, you are all free to criticize Sweden, and I will respond without calling you anti-swedish.

Cheers
Mats



Sure, we're concerned for our lives. Just not as concerned as saving 9 bucks on a roundtrip to Ft. Myers.
User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8617 posts, RR: 43
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1571 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 27):
persecution-mania

Paranoia's the word.  Wink



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineOU812 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1542 times:

Doona,
You may be misunderstanding me here. When I used the word here, I was referring to certain A-nett threads, not governments nor was I referring to other political topics like the ones you suggested.

Quoting Doona (Reply 28):
Quoting OU812 (Reply 12):
It's simply to counter the anti-americanism on here.


25 ZANL188 : You might want to check that again. Ramstein lost it's fighter wing, but gained a C-130 Wing from Rhein-Main. The AMC enroute located at Ramstein is
26 Doona : So how does the anti-americanism manifest itself here on a.net, if not in the form of criticism? And if it is not in a political context, how the hel
27 Post contains images Klaus : Excellent reply!    You're welcome in more than just one sense, and thank you in return! It's not that OU's attitude was really limited to american
28 ANCFlyer : I think he's talking about the entire EUCOM being much smaller than it was in say 1985. . . . in that light, he's correct. That's how I read his repl
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