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Man Arrested In Ipswich Murder Hunt  
User currently offlineSenliture From Australia, joined May 2000, 431 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1690 times:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...ml=/news/2006/12/18/uarrest118.xml
Just amazed how and what caused the arrest. Of course we are not 100% sure if they've got the right person, but in a few days the police has already watched some 10,000 hours of CCTV footage and questioned a number of people, especially that arrested man 4 times.
Somehow I personally do not oppose the idea of having CCTV around the city, especially after this and the London bombing.

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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1681 times:

Hopefully they've caught the right man. I'm pretty amazed they're released his name though, what right do the media have to know the name and thus pry into the life of someone who hasn't been convicted of a crime?

User currently offlineMBMBOS From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 1664 times:

There's a photo of the alleged serial killer on Yahoo! He looks pretty creepy.

User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 1657 times:

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 2):
There's a photo of the alleged serial killer on Yahoo!

I couldn't find it  Sad Can you post? I know it sounds a bit weird but you gotta know what they look like!



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User currently offlineMBMBOS From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 1655 times:

Here goes:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061218/ts_nm/britain_murders_dc_6


User currently offlineAA787823 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 1654 times:

Time to warm up "Old Sparky"

User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8453 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 1647 times:
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Quoting AA787823 (Reply 5):
Time to warm up "Old Sparky"

This is the UK there is no "Old Sparky". Oh wait, he will get life, which is the same as 25 years on death row I guess.



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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1611 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 1):
I'm pretty amazed they're released his name though, what right do the media have to know the name

The police didnt release the name - the press conference in which it was announced the arrest had been made had no mention of a name, it was the fact that the person was well known to the press that ensured his name made it to print.

Im going to wait for the trial on this one, Im not convinced yet.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1609 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 7):
it was the fact that the person was well known to the press that ensured his name made it to print.

It's quite irreponsible of the press, I think. We know his name, where he lives, which supermarket he works in, how he spent time working as a taxi driver and how many times he was interviewed and questioned before being arrested. I can't see how the majority of that stuff is in the public interest, especially when he hasn't been convicted.


User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1603 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 8):
It's quite irreponsible of the press, I think. We know his name, where he lives, which supermarket he works in, how he spent time working as a taxi driver and how many times he was interviewed and questioned before being arrested. I can't see how the majority of that stuff is in the public interest, especially when he hasn't been convicted.

What precisely do you really think the presses role is in a free country? Public interest certainly does not top the list.

Also releasing his name could possibly bring more information to the fore, not necessarily anything that would help the investigation, but certainly stuff that would sell newspapers. Everyones got dirt.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1595 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 9):
What precisely do you really think the presses role is in a free country? Public interest certainly does not top the list.

Nope, profit is top. Even the usually stoic BBC is talking about the life of this man at length; I guess even they are under immense pressure to match or better Sky's viewing figures.

Regardless of how many papers it'll sell, I'm really quite uneasy with so much information being brought to into the public light when someone is arrested for a high-profile crime. If he's convicted, fine. Until then, keep quiet.

There are laws on this, any information the press releases (especially hinting at his links to previous unsolved crimes) can influence a jury. It seems that in recent years the press has been releasing more and more information before conviction. It's a worrying trend.


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13206 posts, RR: 77
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1590 times:

While we all dearly hope that the killer HAS been caught, when the arrest news broke, I was shocked that so much was known of the suspect, well beyond his name-even releasing just that surprised me, so soon.

As it appears the 'Fourth Estate' seem cupable in this, then I think this might just be the misuse of their power too far.
Since if this suspect goes to court and the trial fails due to the work of the press, the clamour for a long needed legal requirement to act at least a modicum of responsibility, will be irresistable.

Clearly, we want for this not to happen, we want the real suspect charged and then convicted, off the streets for ever.

One thing struck me, the suspect knew the victims, he himself had admitted as much in a research interview for the BBC just last week.
Yet the victims, mostly street wise, at least one carrying scissors to protect herself, seemed to have not struggled.
Drugged? It does seem these women were somehow taken completely by surprise.

[Edited 2006-12-18 20:17:12]

User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1579 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 10):
I'm really quite uneasy with so much information being brought to into the public light when someone is arrested for a high-profile crime. If he's convicted, fine. Until then, keep quiet.

Quite so. Suspects are not usually allowed to be identified by name except in exceptional circumstances, and I'm puzzled that his name is in the public domain prior to any charges being laid. Of course, if he is charged, the whole matter becomes sub judice and they can't talk about it at all, so that is why, I assume, they are going all out now.

If they don't charge him, I can imagine some pretty terse legal exchanges about all the stuff in the media at the moment.



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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1574 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 12):
Suspects are not usually allowed to be identified by name except in exceptional circumstances, and I'm puzzled that his name is in the public domain prior to any charges being laid

Quite the opposite, suspects are named in the media all the time - Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr were both named as suspects being held by police after the Soham murders. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2203835.stm)

The only law about press coverage is that of the Contempt of Court Act 1981, but theres no specific limitation on naming suspects, just information that had a "substantial risk of serious prejudice to particular proceedings", and from what I have actually read and watched today the press are being very careful on that matter - the BBC covered extensively their research interview with the suspect but not much more than that, theres nothing that can really prejudice much beyond 'person X has been arrested'.


User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1544 times:

One thing that I will point out is that this (whoever did it) is a hate crime against women. I dont know if there is allowance for hate crime legislation in the UK. But that is exactly what this is. The media nor the police have mentioned this, and it will widely go overlooked. But when 5 dead women show up as the probable result of one persons doing, one must look at the common denominator they were women. Despite being drug addicted prostitutes, and living potentially dangerous lives, nobody has the right to harm them. I hope one day that the full effect of violence against women is often condoned, or not discussed. It happens every day, and we treat half the population of our societies as citizens not as important as men.

User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1523 times:

A second man has now been arrested by the Ipswich police. No further details have been released yet.

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