AirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2010 times:
NBA suspensions: Anthony gets 15 games
David Stern has suspended NBA leading scorer Carmelo Anthony 15 games for his role in Saturday night's Nuggets-Knicks brawl. Stern metes out punishment to six other players, including 10 games each for Nate Robinson and J.R. Smith.
15 games almost a quarter of the season, so long to Denver playoff hopes, and maybe Mr. Thomas of the Knicks will be packing his bags. Good effort to try to clean the league image up..
Well warranted. He came in after the initial melee and resparked the whole thing. And what is it with basketball players out there fighting like ballet dancers. I bet a dude in swan lake would close his fist instead of bring down a slap if he was gonna sucker punch someone like that.
Quoting AirCop (Thread starter): 15 games almost a quarter of the season, so long to Denver playoff hopes
Well a selfish act to say the least. What is it with basketball players, they are worse than baseball players. Everyone jumping in. If they would have some simple protocol when it came to a fight like hockey does. Let the idiots punch each others faces in, when they go to the floor it is over.
last thing I will mention is, that for the NBA players who grew up in the streets and are all tough and hard, they cant have a decent scrap at all.
Gunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3511 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 1972 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1): It should have been a season-ending suspension for all of those involved. 10 games is just a mere slap on the wrist. These guys got away with it! Stern is a wuss!!!
No...David $tern recognizes that suspending someone like Carmello Anthony for the rest of the season would adversely affect his league's profit margin. Suspended basketball players, much like parked airplanes, don't make money for their companies.
MIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1963 times:
Anthony looks more like a thug than a basketball player.
The NBA has more problems to worry about than just a few "fights". It won't clean up the image by suspending players. If the NBA wants to bring back fans, it will have to somehow address the situation of so many tatooed players who look like jail inmates, headbands that make player's heads look like ...s and uniforms so baggy it makes the players look as unprofessional and inmature as it if was high school.
No surprise the NBA has lost so many fans.
Instead what does the NBA do? Having rules where p*ssy fouls are called for every little contact, which is really detracting from the game's excitement. It's giving players like Carmelo Anothony and Dwyane Wade so many trips to the free throw line resulting in Jordan-jlike numbers when neither is anywhere as good. It looks more like European basketball now, but played by players who look, talk, and act like thugs.
Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 2): last thing I will mention is, that for the NBA players who grew up in the streets and are all tough and hard, they cant have a decent scrap at all.
I thought I was the only one who noticed that.. I've seen Shaq, Alonzo Mourning and others "fight" and it looked like big girls throwing punches..
Anyone remember a classic when P.J Brown flipped Charlie Ward? As if that wasn't weird enough, then Mourning and Larry Johnson start throwing girl punches at each other. What the heck was that!??
I mean if you're going to be inmature enough to start a fight over something stupid, at least try to look cool...
Bushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1942 times:
Quoting Confuscius (Reply 6): Don't tell that to Kermit Washington...just ask Rudy Tomjanovich.
OK, I will give you that one. But that was a sucker punch, and decades ago. Got a better example from recent times? Would you not agree that the current crop of players couldnt throw a punch like George Foreman's daughter?
Quoting JFK69 (Reply 4): Suspend them for 20 because they fight like pussies. Throw a punch and then back step to the other end of the court
Or run into the crowd and beat up the folks who pay thier salary. Quite a few of the NBA players are spoiled rich wanna be thugs. No wonder they feel the need to carry guns on thier personal time, they cant defend themselves, throw a good punch, or rely on thier own. Gotta call in the teammates for my back .
If you think 'Melo is stupid, you should see his teammate JR Smith..
Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 8): OK, I will give you that one. But that was a sucker punch, and decades ago
Shaq (who claims to be so badass and to even know martial arts with that shaq-fu crap) back in his rookie year threw some wild punches at Alvin Robertson that barely did anything. It was quite funny.
AirframeAS, NBA basketball has turned into a wuss sport. There are fights in soccer, college football, hockey etc. and that has actually become synonimous with the sport.
Have you seen the NBA commercials? You don't see NFL and baseball commercials where they players go into a classroom to teach reading! The NBA loves to show how the players go to some homeless shelter and help serve food on thanksgiving.. went to school and tought kids how to read for a day, etc etc. This is great, but I don't wanna see it. Why? Because these guys are basically doing it for team PR and I know they don't care, they do it because they are forced to.
I still have a cut out of the local Orlando paper from back when Penny Hardaway (one of my fav. players and a nice guy by NBA standards) had to do an authograph session at the mall during his rookie year. He was upset because the line was getting long "and he had to be there signing autographs for all these people" (which, by the way, were paying $7 bucks for the autograph) and help pay for his salary when they go to games.
Nowadays the NBA is nothing but a bunch of thuggish, greedy, unprofessional individuals who will jump to another team just for a little more money (see Shaq, Carlos Boozer, Joe Johnson, etc) yet this league wants to pretend these are all great, down to earth young man involved in the community. But something just doesn't add up when Artest goes into the stands hitting whoever is on his way and Sprewell chokes his coach...
However, instead of suspending players for 20 games, they should start by prohibiting head bands and making players wear uniforms that are fitted for an athlete, not for a ghetto street show. Teaching players be more classy and friendly when they get an interview, etc, etc etc.
Let the girlfights go on, they make the game much more interesting!
This is just disgraceful. Camelo "i'm a sissy and in love with myself" Anthony should have gotten 20-25 MINIMUM. At least others are getting suspensions too. If it had gone into the stands again like the last one, I don't think there would be a single NBA fan left.
Quoting Thepilot (Reply 13): This is just disgraceful. Camelo "i'm a sissy and in love with myself" Anthony should have gotten 20-25 MINIMUM. At least others are getting suspensions too. If it had gone into the stands again like the last one, I don't think there would be a single NBA fan left.
Here is the thing, there are literally millions of people willing to take that job. Thousands are potentially good enough that have come through the college ranks. Boot them forever. You get convicted of a crime, your gone. You beat up fans, your gone. These players play at the pleasure of the fans. Without the fans they dont have jobs, or college educations. They play a simple school yard game. The fans are the soul source of income for any pro athlete.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1775 times:
I have no problems with the penalties given to all of the players, but do have a problem with none directed to Knicks coach Thomas. Thomas should have been given a 5 game or so penalty just to make the point not to trash talk, and not show a bad example to your players. (Better would be the Knicks ownership to kick Thomas' butt out onto 8th Avenue, but that is another issue - don't forget both teams got $500,000 penalties).
As to Denver running up the score, so what! The Knicks played poorly and the Nuggets coach had his justifiable reasons for the team's benefit to keep his top players out on the court. The Knicks players had a right to block the shot that unfortunately triggered this situation, even with a hard foul. Hard play isn't a problem, but deliberate violence is wrong.
As to the penalties, as in any such sports, there is a clear need to discouraging any fighting as it can seriously injure players. Let's not forget that here we are dealing with guys getting millions, with almost all of them doing so the only way they can ever get that opportunity. No one should deliberately injure another player as they can hurt their income - that is dead wrong. I agree that some of major sports players are from tough environments where showing macho and being tough is necessary for survival - literally - and that is tough to never unlearn, but that is why there are rules, to prevent toughness escalating to violence.
MIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1768 times:
Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 19): Here is the thing, there are literally millions of people willing to take that job. Thousands are potentially good enough that have come through the college ranks. Boot them forever. You get convicted of a crime, your gone. You beat up fans, your gone. These players play at the pleasure of the fans. Without the fans they dont have jobs, or college educations. They play a simple school yard game. The fans are the soul source of income for any pro athlete.
I agree with you. For punching the fans I would have kicked Ron Artest, Jermaine O'neal, and Stephen Jackson out of the NBA for good. Any regular person would have gone to jail for that.
David Stern is a wuss. What is he doing?
Quoting Piercey (Reply 18): Can't throw Shaq onto this list, he was fed up to hell in LA. No surprise he left.
I was talking about Orlando. He wasn't exactly "greedy". He was just selfish and inmature. Zo' had just gotten a great deal in Miami and Shaq said "oh if he gets $120 million I'm worth a lot more, so I should get a lot more".
The Magic did better that offer but for Shaq that wansn't enough. He also wasn't thrilled that Penny Hardaway had become as popular as him, a more exciting player, and even more likable. Shaq was jealous, and eventually both players that were the best 1-2 punch in the NBA weren't liking each other.
Quoting Piercey,=18: Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 11):
they should start by prohibiting head bands
If you're talking about Ben Wallace and the Bulls, that's a team policy, not NBA.
Yes, but it should be.
Coaches like Pat Riley prohibit their players from wearing them. It looks stupid, period. NBA athletes should look professional and wear uniforms that make them look like athletes, not high-schoolers. The NBA is not a ghetto fashion show.