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What Do You Think Of Ebay?  
User currently offlineKearney From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 140 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2405 times:

Firstly I think ebay and paypal way over charge for the fee's. But thats the least of my problems

My first issue was with paypal about a year back. I had sold an item on ebay, and the guy offered to meet up after he made a payment through paypal (i geuss i was stupid to not ask for cash eh). Anyways long story short, i saw the payment clear on paypal, met up with the guy to give him the item, and then next time i checked paypal, the payment was being held.

So that said i decided to not use paypal anymore, but like that would help.

Now recently using ebay, I made a purchase. I payed with a money order, and this guy ran with the money. Ok s**t happens and there is not much you can do. But this time i had followd all the rules and i was entitled to some refund from ebay. SO i went through the process of faxing all my recipts(what a hassle it was), and today i get an e-mail that i have provided insufficiant proof that i payed this guy. And stupid me again, i had sent this money order to a po box. thats to bad because if i had known any better, i would have sent it to a real address so i could go find him latter and hang his ass.

Ok, so anyways, the lesson to me obviously is to not trust anyone. And ALWAYS be cautious of anyone who wants you to ship to po boxes, or does not pay cash on local pick-up. I dont like to think i fall for these scams so easy as i try to be cautious, but somehow i always lose some money to one scam or another.

Any one else here fall for some scams? Ok it was my fault for the first paypal event, but ebay does owe me some money for the other loss i had. I have learned to hate ebay, as good as it seems it will eventualy turn around and bite you in the ass.

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User currently offlineCoz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2396 times:

Quoting Kearney (Thread starter):
i had sent this money order to a po box. thats to bad because if i had known any better, i would have sent it to a real address so i could go find him latter and hang his ass.

In the States, you've got to report your real mailing address in order to be considered for a PO box. It may be possible to contact the Canada Post to have them look into it as well, as they may be able to track this person down.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2390 times:

Quoting Kearney (Thread starter):
What Do You Think Of Ebay?

A huge risk. There are alot of disadvantages but there is only one advantage: lower prices.

Quoting Kearney (Thread starter):
I payed with a money order, and this guy ran with the money.

This is the main reason why I dont use eBay. And this is the #1 disadvantage.



A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2362 times:

What I think of Ebay? Well, when it first stated and was more or less just a global garage sale, I have was perfectly fine with it.
Now that it has become a global market place used by companies, I hate it. Not only are many categories flooded, no, that flooding also causes a price depression at regular stores. I can't tell you how many customers I have had in my store b!tching about how "Ebay is much cheaper". And not to forget all the black sheeps on Ebay that are just on there to screw others out of money.


User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2361 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 6):
I can't tell you how many customers I have had in my store b!tching about how "Ebay is much cheaper".

Then start selling on eBay! You'll cut your overheads, reach a much wider demographic with your products, and I would bet your sales volume increases too.


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

The ultimate goal of most of the countless e-tailers that sprung up (and later went bust) in the late 1990's was indeed to render the traditional so-called "brick-and-mortar" store to a museum piece.

While that is certainly a long way from happening, Ebay is slowly but steadily pushing us in that direction.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2347 times:

I don't know what you are doing meeting up with people. Ebay and paypal are great if you use them properly. I have and the money you can make is great.

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 7):
Then start selling on eBay! You'll cut your overheads, reach a much wider demographic with your products, and I would bet your sales volume increases too.

No chance in hell. There are two main factors that keep me from doing that:
First, the sheer volume of the products we sell (ink cartridges, currently over 26,000 seperate articles on Ebay Germany alone!)
Second, the prices on Ebay are already on the level of our buying prices. Don't ask me how companies do that, but for us, this is not an option, unless we can manage to buy a container full of non-taken up cartridges stuck in Hamburg's port. Other than that, no chance. Besides, if I hear people whine that a Canon cartridge that used to cost at least €10 3 years ago now sold at €4 is a "rip-off price", I don't even want to bother trying to serve such customers. This whole "Greed is Cool"-attitude is discussion in itself.


User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 10):
No chance in hell.

Move with the times, man. Otherwise the times will move without you. Many retailers are running both brick-and-mortar and e-stores. That why companies like this are doing so well - they provide a solution for both.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 10):
the prices on Ebay are already on the level of our buying prices. Don't ask me how companies do that

Sheer bulk. They can sell more, so they can purchase in greater quantities and negotiate a cheaper cost price.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 10):
Besides, if I hear people whine that a Canon cartridge that used to cost at least €10 3 years ago now sold at €4 is a "rip-off price", I don't even want to bother trying to serve such customers.

Way to put the customer first  eyebrow 


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2331 times:

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 11):
Sheer bulk. They can sell more, so they can purchase in greater quantities and negotiate a cheaper cost price.

Yeah, and that's something you only can get through connections. Believe me, we have tried to get extra-cheap products, even trying to buy them directly in China, but we still could not get on the low price levels Ebay-sellers had.

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 11):
Way to put the customer first

I put the customer first when I know that I can make money off of him. But when a customers comes into my store with the attitude of "You are too expensive anyway, but I'll rub it in your face just for fun", I don't give a damn. I have not yet cussed out a customer in my store, but sometimes, the stupidity or attitude of customers makes me boil.
And to be direct, I think most customers are idiots. Out of all customers, 45% whine you Ebay is much cheaper than we are. Another 45% complain how we are too expensive, yet they then go to one of the big chains with the fancy ads and let themselves get ripped off. Only 10% of the customers are realistic.


User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2321 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 9):
I put the customer first when I know that I can make money off of him. But when a customers comes into my store with the attitude of "You are too expensive anyway, but I'll rub it in your face just for fun", I don't give a damn. I have not yet cussed out a customer in my store, but sometimes, the stupidity or attitude of customers makes me boil.
And to be direct, I think most customers are idiots. Out of all customers, 45% whine you Ebay is much cheaper than we are. Another 45% complain how we are too expensive, yet they then go to one of the big chains with the fancy ads and let themselves get ripped off. Only 10% of the customers are realistic.

Interesting business model you have there. Not sure it's one that I would adopt if I were a retailer, but as a fellow business owner (albeit not a retailer), I wish you success in 2007.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 10):
Interesting business model you have there. Not sure it's one that I would adopt if I were a retailer,

As said, it all depends on the attitude of the customer as well. We have quite a few long-term customers, both private and companies, with whom we have a good business relationship, but at the same time, there are also some people who seem to be just looking for trouble. Besides, if the person acting like an a-hole could actually be of advantage to me, I am fully capable of staying friendly in such a person's presence, even if I'm boiling inside  Wink .

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 10):
but as a fellow business owner (albeit not a retailer), I wish you success in 2007.

Thanks, and same for you  Smile .


User currently offlineN174UA From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2302 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 2):
There are alot of disadvantages but there is only one advantage: lower prices.

I don't know about that...I've found the same thing on Amazon sometimes cheaper. I make it a habit of checking them, and for music, I check http://www.yourmusic.com for deals as well.

I just started with eBay, first with buying, and just sold my first 9 items last week, and have four more cd's up for sale. I've learned a lot from my friend Mark, and what angers me is when people try to make profits on the shipping cost. I've seen single CD's asking for $5+ shipping? Give me a break...I can buy a bubble mailer for 50 cents, and first class postage for about $2, and that gets it to the buyer in about 3-5 days.

For now, I'm happy with PayPal and eBay. Will that change? Possibly. What is interesting from an economic point of view is to see what people are willing to pay for a certain item. One thing that I will start doing is watching several items I'm interested in, and then once I get a feeling for what things typically go for, make my bid based on that.


User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2296 times:

Quoting N174UA (Reply 12):
I've seen single CD's asking for $5+ shipping? Give me a break...I can buy a bubble mailer for 50 cents, and first class postage for about $2, and that gets it to the buyer in about 3-5 days.

Part of this is the padding out of fees for the seller's time as well. Call it the equivalent of a labour cost, if you will. I do it - I add $1 to shipping cost of every item, to compensate me for the time it takes to list the item, respond to questions, pack it, drive to the Post Office or UPS or FedEx, and mail it.

I don't have a problem with minor padding like that.

However, when I see people selling laptops for $200 and then charging $150 for shipping, I get rather ticked off. And eBay are taking measures to prevent that kind of padding.


User currently offlineJoge From Finland, joined Feb 2000, 1444 posts, RR: 39
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2291 times:

Sorry to hear about your cases Kearney.

It has been warned about the risks of shopping online, but I think it hasn't been stressed enough, that the auction sites like eBay would be the most dangerous ones in this matter. So anyway, be very careful when buying second hand items.

Just as an example and recent discovery, this guy here wasn't probably thinking of what he/she was buying http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300050305788

3 pieces of PS1 for $900 is not such a good deal!

-Joge



Bula!
User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2285 times:

Quoting Joge (Reply 14):
Just as an example and recent discovery, this guy here wasn't probably thinking of what he/she was buying http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300050305788

3 pieces of PS1 for $900 is not such a good deal!

Hahaha. Well, again...a victim of his own stupidity!


User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2283 times:

eBay and PayPal suck because don't allow transactions involving firearm magazines with a capacity greater than 10 rounds.

Having said that, I still use them to buy (and occasionally sell) other things.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2281 times:

Quoting N174UA (Reply 12):

I understand what you are saying, but eBay isnt for me.



A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2275 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 2):
A huge risk. There are alot of disadvantages but there is only one advantage: lower prices.

Disadvantages...?? I've had over 200 transactions both buying and selling.. Never one issues....ever.



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

EBay is a pretty cool place to buy cheap last-minute tickets for the football stadium!

Oh yeah, the Interflug timetable for 1.80 EUR (or less) was a cool deal as well.

Patrick


User currently offlineCharger From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 273 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2264 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 6):
I don't know what you are doing meeting up with people. Ebay and paypal are great if you use them properly. I have and the money you can make is great

Agree 100%.

Quoting N174UA (Reply 12):
I've learned a lot from my friend Mark, and what angers me is when people try to make profits on the shipping cost

Those are the items I simply pass by. I will not bid on anything that has padded shipping charges.

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 13):
I do it - I add $1 to shipping cost of every item, to compensate me for the time it takes to list the item, respond to questions, pack it, drive to the Post Office or UPS or FedEx, and mail it.

No offense but then yours is the item I will pass by. Lost customer for you.
The Post office, UPS and FedEx will all pick your items right up at your door if you call them and set it up. I do it all the time.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 18):
I've had over 200 transactions both buying and selling.. Never one issues....ever.

I have over 500 transactions and only had one problem. Not with ebay but a package that was truly lost by the Post Office. It was insured though so no big problem.


User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

Quoting Charger (Reply 20):
No offense but then yours is the item I will pass by. Lost customer for you.

You'd never know that I've charged it until the item is delivered. The items I ship are normally $10+ to ship. Most buyers will view $11 to ship the same as they would $10 to ship.


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3958 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 7):
No chance in hell. There are two main factors that keep me from doing that:
First, the sheer volume of the products we sell (ink cartridges, currently over 26,000 seperate articles on Ebay Germany alone!)
Second, the prices on Ebay are already on the level of our buying prices. Don't ask me how companies do that, but for us, this is not an option, unless we can manage to buy a container full of non-taken up cartridges stuck in Hamburg's port. Other than that, no chance. Besides, if I hear people whine that a Canon cartridge that used to cost at least €10 3 years ago now sold at €4 is a "rip-off price", I don't even want to bother trying to serve such customers. This whole "Greed is Cool"-attitude is discussion in itself.

Perhaps I'm missing the point here but if two companies/people are selling the same item then the one who's selling it cheapest is the winner right? Isn't it better known as COMPETITION ???

Like the OP said, you've got to move with the times or get left behind. Harsh words, but sadly the truth and you have my sympathy because I've been there too although not quite in the same capacity.

A lot of the gear on Ebay is nicked, but you'd never know it at a glance. This is how stuff gets sold at prices well below the going rate on there.

Quoting Matt D (Reply 5):
The ultimate goal of most of the countless e-tailers that sprung up (and later went bust) in the late 1990's was indeed to render the traditional so-called "brick-and-mortar" store to a museum piece.

While that is certainly a long way from happening, Ebay is slowly but steadily pushing us in that direction.

Very true indeed.

R


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2224 times:

Quoting RobK (Reply 22):
Perhaps I'm missing the point here but if two companies/people are selling the same item then the one who's selling it cheapest is the winner right? Isn't it better known as COMPETITION ???

Of course, which is why I chose not to sell articles on Ebay, and instead focus on a shop, where customers can get their stuff on the day they buy it, where they can get information on what new printer suits their needs best, how to overcome problems,and where they can get other products as well, all of which Ebay could not provide. Yes, turnover is less than with Ebay, but earnings are higher as well. I'd rather sell one cartridge for €4 on which I earn €3 in my store directly to a customer, than selling 30 at €0,50 on Ebay and have earnings of €0,10 each, plus all the stress of S&H.

Quoting RobK (Reply 22):
A lot of the gear on Ebay is nicked, but you'd never know it at a glance. This is how stuff gets sold at prices well below the going rate on there.

Very true indeed.


User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2218 times:

EBAY is great for buyers only. You get ripped off as a seller by small fees that add up at the end of the sale and unless you're item is worth hundreds of dollars your not going to make much money in the end. They basically charge for everything, that is why I stoped selling. It's amaizing how much they get away with and no body complains, now wonder the company is worth billions of dollars. I now just use craigslist.com for sales, they're just like ebay but without the small fee bullshit. Also something I never understood why, in all of my buying on ebay(about 20 times) I have NEVER won an auction and unless you know how things work, I think you're never going to win one.

25 RichardPrice : Ive had a few problems with Ebay and Paypal, but nothing that was really attributable to those companies. I had my paypal login hijacked after the 'Gr
26 Itsjustme : Actually you can set it up on line as well. I do this all the time with the USPS. As long as the pkg doesn't weigh more than 70lbs, they'll pick it u
27 KaiGywer : I once saw somebody asking $19.99 for a 1GB memory card. $0.99 Buy it now price. I passed that one and bought one for $18.99, with $3.99 shipping. Di
28 Post contains links IFEMaster : www.esnipe.com
29 Willo : In my opinion, people who have problems with eBay are generally naive, gullible or both.
30 DAL767400ER : Thing is, we are too small to give out orders that way. Hence I have to rely on regular internet searches and comparing prices myself. Has worked goo
31 LTBEWR : E-Bay is probably one of the great success stories of the internet. Does it have it's risks? Of course, but you can get burned at a retailer or privat
32 Charger : Then you would recieve a very descriptive negative feedback from me and never recieve another bid from me. Worth the extra buck?
33 Post contains images N174UA : Interesting. Well, they are a SF Bay Area-based company, so that explains a lot right there. That said, and given that I'm pro-2nd amendment, I'd sti
34 Charger : Maybe it's because they can't prove who the item is being shipped to. Could be shipped to a minor using his father's account or a convicted criminal
35 IFEMaster : Considering I have 2927 100% positive feedback, I would say yes, it's worth it.
36 Charger : Your choice and I wish you luck.
37 Theredbaron : E bay is for smart buyers period... I have bought items that cost over 2000 USD$ and asked to be shipped to Mexico 100% perfect, I have spent more tha
38 Alessandro : I like Ebay, Paypal I don´t use, don´t trust that, registered letter is my payment method.
39 Post contains links and images KaiGywer : That's true, but it would be nice if you find a gun online, have it shipped to a local FFL, but can do payment over Paypal. On another forum I'm on,
40 Swatpamike : Hello all Wrong, in the last month I have purchased on eBay and payed with PayPal funds a scope and new stock for my SKS. And just today purchased a s
41 RobK : Why don't you buy your stock off Ebay then if it's selling cheaper than you can buy it? Makes good business sense to me, especially if you've got a d
42 Post contains images 9V : I just sold my Ricky Gervais concert tickets through ebay. The buyer only lived a few miles from me so once the money was in the process of being tran
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