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Before There Was ADD And Ritalin, There Was...  
User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1997 times:
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Someone I know has their kids on ADD drugs. Don't know how it came up but I said that when I grew up, there was such thing as spanking your child ...and that I got the belt, the spanking the wooden spoon, you name it.

There was no time out. Yes, I respect my parents and no there was no fear.

(and I'm not talking about child abuse either. That's beating the crap out of a kid b/c you're a coward. Not that Hedda Nussbaum/Jool Steinberg nonsense.)

Somehow she segued into the conversation that her kids were on Ritalin and I responded, "Have you tried spanking them?"

Then we got into it  Smile Great conversation. I theorized that before there was ADD and ritalin, there was spanking and it took care of the job. None of this time out nonsense. No drugs. She actually agreed to an extent.

Did you get the belt? the spoon? or just spanked (fetishists need not post here. It's not that kind of thread.)

If you did, how did you turn out? What is your relationship with your parents now? What's your perspective on the ritalin generation?


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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1975 times:

Oh yes, "the yoof today" threads...  sarcastic 

To answer your questions, I can probably count the times I got slapped on the fingers of one hand, and that was it. I turned out graduating with notes that a load of people envy, and have so far made it through the first two years of med school. My relationship with my parents is very good - I'm very happy to travel home for Christmas - and my perspective on the "ritalin generation" is that it will turn out just another generation.



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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6698 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1972 times:

...also probably none of the crap additives and high sugar/carb content that goes into food these days.

It's bad enough giving my two kids (nearly 4 and just 2) chocolate or candies. The run around like lunatics within about 10 minutes. My wife used to be a teacher and she could lose half the lesson time because the kids arrive at school having had their coke and chocolate on the way there and they couldn't sit still or think for half an hour. Same for the first class after lunch.



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

Before there was Ritalin, there was playing outside and doing the chores.

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Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1962 times:

When I were young laddie we used to get dipped head first in boiling water and then hung up on mother's washing line to dry, and that's that was a treat for being a good boy!

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User currently offlineKmh1956 From Bermuda, joined Jun 2005, 3324 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

I couldn't agree more. Parents can't handle their kids because they've spoiled them rotten and have now lost control so now want to blame it on something, so they invented ADD/ADHD.

I got swatted on the butt a few times growing up. Never did me any harm.



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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1938 times:
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Quoting Aloges (Reply 1):
"the yoof today" threads...

Nah, more like how the adults deal with the yoof today. You can't spank them so throw them on drugs.

Quoting Aloges (Reply 1):
I can probably count the times I got slapped on the fingers of one hand, and that was it

So it didn't take long to get in line. Good job.

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 2):
high sugar/carb content

Diet, yes, another important factor to consider.



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User currently offlineDragogoalie From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 1220 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1927 times:

Quoting Mirrodie (Thread starter):
I theorized that before there was ADD and ritalin, there was spanking and it took care of the job.

This is just pure ignorance! Have you got any idea of what exactly ADD is? It's called Attention Deficit Disorder, and it is, as the name suggests, a DISORDER.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention-Deficit_Disorder

People with ADD and ADHD have always been thought of as "impolite, slow, stupid and just plain rude"- but they're not. Yet, you're now helping to reinforce that image, that they truly do not deserve.

ADD/ADHD-kids, or, even, adults, can't help if they can't pay attention to something at school, work or in their social life. It's not because they didn't get diciplined, but simply because they can't help it. You really wouldn't understand- nobody but people with ADD/ADHD would, really.

But trust me- getting a spanking cannot cure a neurological disorder. If her kids truly have ADD, they probably have to deal with people who think they're just out-of-control, impolite kids when they're really just misunderstood and frustrated about being so.

ADD has always existed. Nobody knew what was wrong with ADD-people before someone actually put a name (and diagnosis) on the disorder though, so instead, they got beaten, probably bullied and became outcasts because they're "different" and it sure as hell didn't cure the ADD- it probably just made it worse, but who cares! The kid sits still and is behaving, probably because it's terrified to even move a finger in case it'll do something wrong, but hey- it's sitting still...

A lot of kids with ADD simply don't know they're misbehaving. If you beat them, they don't know what they have done wrong, even if you explain it to them, and if they do it again, they STILL don't know what the heck they have done wrong- they WILL perceive you as one bad mofo if you keep beating them up for something that they, apparently, have done wrong, and they can't figure out what exactly they did to make you angry.

I agree, a lot of people cannot dicipline kids today, and some kids do make me want to walk over and give them a slapping, but ADD, ADHD and even Asperger Syndrome (which I and a lot of other members on this forum have).

The only thing that can make ADD/ADHD better is understanding, therapy and explanation. Or you might end up with a suicidal kid that is so depressed that his/her only way out of a world that truly doesn't understand or accept him/her is death.

EDIT: Of course, I also agree that today's youth DO get put on all sorts of meds for nothing. And that IS wrong. But if you do suffer from ADD/ADHD/AS, ritalin can be a great, and for some, necessary, help to get through the day, I think.

[Edited 2006-12-20 18:56:10]


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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20504 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1921 times:

Quoting Mirrodie (Thread starter):
Someone I know has their kids on ADD drugs. Don't know how it came up but I said that when I grew up, there was such thing as spanking your child ...and that I got the belt, the spanking the wooden spoon, you name it.

You seem to be assuming that every child who is ADD is disruptive. ADD is simply the inability to pay attention. That's why it's called attention deficit disorder. ADD kids can just sit there quietly and daydream.

You're referring to ADHD, that combines hyperactivity, which should be assisted with medication if it's beyond their control.

Simply spanking them for an untreated organic disorder, IS abusive.



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1913 times:

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 5):
Parents can't handle their kids because they've spoiled them rotten and have now lost control so now want to blame it on something, so they invented ADD/ADHD.

 redflag 

Maybe some children are diagnosed with it too quickly, but if you had ever spent a considerable amount of time with hyperactive children, you wouldn't have posted this sort of comment. Sorry for being this blunt, but that's the way it is.

I did 10 months of civilian service (alternative option for drafted Germans who don't want to serve in the military) in a "school" class which corresponded to elementary school, with six children aged six to eleven. All of them had a learning disorder, five of them were hyperactive, and there is nothing you can possibly do to change that. Two took ritalin, and even then they were everything but calm.

When they were assigned simple, short tasks they were usually able to do them - such as washing or drying the breakfast dishes. But eating quietly? Learning to write a sentence? Listening to a book being read to them? Maybe, if you were very, very lucky that day. The rest of the time, you had to be watching them all the time lest they'd start running away or doing whatever possible.

Don't get me wrong, I am definitely against high dosages of sedatives. One of the girls on ritalin got something different for a short amount of time - after taking the medication, she'd just sit around, staring, doing nothing, not being one bit of herself. That's inhumane. But there was a noticeable difference in their behaviours whenever something about the medication was changed. On the other hand, taking one of the girls to that "snooze room"* we had, I was lucky enough to witness her calming down. She didn't speak, didn't bother me (she'd normally do that to anyone around, all the time), just moved around the room every twenty seconds or so. It was fascinating, even though I had a hard time trying to stay awake.  Silly

* a dimly-lit room with lots of mattresses and a hammock for the kids to relax in, basically there was everything in it to send people to sleep



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User currently offlineDragogoalie From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 1220 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1900 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 9):
Reply 9

 thumbsup  Greatest and most informative post this thread has seen.



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User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1901 times:

Quoting Mirrodie (Thread starter):
there was such thing as spanking your child ...and that I got the belt, the spanking the wooden spoon, you name it.

My parents used the spanking route sparingly, and I deserved it. I turned out well adjusted, with a healthy amount of self confidence.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 3):
there was playing outside and doing the chores.

Bingo. I can't believe how many modern parents cater to their kids' every need. I was doing chores as early as I remember.

Quoting Dragogoalie (Reply 7):
ADD/ADHD-kids, or, even, adults, can't help if they can't pay attention to something at school, work or in their social life

Neil Boortz has this great test. He tells parents to put their kid in front of their favorite electronic game (Playstation or whatever) and time how long the kid stays engrossed in it. Usually the "ADD" miraculously disappears, resulting in a kid focused on this game for all afternoon.


User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20504 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1898 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 9):
Don't get me wrong, I am definitely against high dosages of sedatives.

Ritalin isn't a sedative, it's speed. True ADD/ADHD'ers have a paradoxical reaction to it.

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 11):
Neil Boortz has this great test. He tells parents to put their kid in front of their favorite electronic game (Playstation or whatever) and time how long the kid stays engrossed in it. Usually the "ADD" miraculously disappears, resulting in a kid focused on this game for all afternoon.

Electronic games have a lot of fast moving, ever-changing characters and subjects. Perfect for a true ADD/ADHD'er. Proves absolutely nothing.



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User currently offlineDragogoalie From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 1220 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1895 times:

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 11):
Neil Boortz has this great test. He tells parents to put their kid in front of their favorite electronic game (Playstation or whatever) and time how long the kid stays engrossed in it. Usually the "ADD" miraculously disappears, resulting in a kid focused on this game for all afternoon.

ADD kids can play video games too, for the entire afternoon- in a lot of cases, video games don't really require that much attention either

[Edited 2006-12-20 19:05:44]


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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1891 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 12):
Ritalin isn't a sedative, it's speed. True ADD/ADHD'ers have a paradoxical reaction to it.

Yup, I just don't remember what that other drug she got was so I wrote "sedatives".

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 12):
Electronic games have a lot of fast moving, ever-changing characters and subjects. Perfect for a true ADD/ADHD'er. Proves absolutely nothing.

Shhhh! Next you'll be saying a good, solid ass-kicking doesn't solve anything!

[Edited 2006-12-20 19:15:30]


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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20504 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1883 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 14):
Shhhh! Next you'll be saying a good, solid ass-kicking doesn't solve aynthing!

In kids without true ADD/ADHD I'm sure it works quite well. ADD/ADHD just isn't a visible handicap to most. Would you send a kid with a broken leg out to do an afternoon of chores, or would you send him to the doctor to have his leg set? There's really no difference.



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User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1883 times:

Quoting Dragogoalie (Reply 13):
ADD kids can play video games too, for the entire afternoon- in a lot of cases, video games don't really require that much attention either

He says this in response to kids being put on ritalin, not kids who just sit and daydream quietly.

But hey, if parents want to pump their kids full of chemicals instead of trying more focused parenting, that's their right.


User currently offlineDragogoalie From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 1220 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1875 times:

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 16):
But hey, if parents want to pump their kids full of chemicals instead of trying more focused parenting, that's their right.

So beating kids is "focused parenting"?  confused 

I never said pumping kids with medicine was the right answer- medicine is often a great HELP, but in no way a solution. I did state in my first post in this thread what I reckoned would be best:

Quoting Dragogoalie (Reply 7):
The only thing that can make ADD/ADHD better is understanding, therapy and explanation. Or you might end up with a suicidal kid that is so depressed that his/her only way out of a world that truly doesn't understand or accept him/her is death.



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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20504 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1875 times:

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 16):
He says this in response to kids being put on ritalin, not kids who just sit and daydream quietly.

Both kids with ADD (who sit and daydream) and ADHD (who are also uncontrollably hyperactive) receive Ritalin/Adderall/Dexedrine, or whatever's the doctor's drug of choice. So your statement makes no sense.



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User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1869 times:

Quoting Dragogoalie (Reply 17):
So beating kids is "focused parenting"?

Never said that. I was talking more about things like having kids be more responsible around the house, do chores, play outside, have rules and boundaries to live by and yes, the occasional spanking may be needed.


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1860 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 15):
In kids without true ADD/ADHD I'm sure it works quite well.

Err... you did notice my feeble attempt at irony, didn't you? I mean, besides the typo I just corrected.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 15):
Would you send a kid with a broken leg out to do an afternoon of chores, or would you send him to the doctor to have his leg set? There's really no difference.

Nah... a broken leg heals and gives (at least) a boy a lot of recognition among his peers, whereas ADHD makes children outsiders, "losers" and "retards".

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 16):
But hey, if parents want to pump their kids full of chemicals instead of trying more focused parenting, that's their right.

 redflag  again. I'll tell you which sort of "focussed parenting" it would take to give a truly hyperactive kid a safe childhood without any medication at all: non-stop surveillance 24/7/365, because the little one might wake up anytime at night - that is, once she manages to actually fall asleep - and find something to occupy his mind. Too bad if that's a candle.

So the parents could kiss their jobs good-bye and we on a.net would have the exact same people as always complaining about "lazy-ass parents" and "freeloaders".



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User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1854 times:

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 5):
Parents can't handle their kids because they've spoiled them rotten and have now lost control so now want to blame it on something, so they invented ADD/ADHD.

The parents these days are no more than kids themselves. It's anything for a quiet life. The main problem is a complete lack of discipline. I don't believe in smacking, I've never smacked my daughters but you can and should discipline them. How else will they learn to differentiate between right and wrong?
I'm not denying SOME kids have problems, but today too many take the easy route and blame it on something else.
A lot of these problems could be resolved if the parents took responsibilty for their children.


User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20504 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1854 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 20):
Nah... a broken leg heals and gives (at least) a boy a lot of recognition among his peers, whereas ADHD makes children outsiders, "losers" and "retards".

My point was that there's no difference in whether either condition needs medical attention.



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User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1839 times:

There is so much misunderstanding about this subject it's ridiculous. I wholeheartedly agree that ADD/ADHD is over-diagnosed and too many people are prescribed medications they don't need. But for some of us, it's a life saver.

My particularly ADD is inattention predominant. I've never been the bouncing off the walls type. I just found my attention/focus changing 100 times a second and feeling like I was being bombarded with too much information to deal with. I found that Straterra (a non-stimulant ADD medication) and a combination of coping strategies has made all the difference for me. For instance while I'm coding a particular segment which doesn't require any interaction with coworkers, I found that donning headphones to be the way I work best. The white noise of the music covers the voices and general craziness of the office and allows me to visualize my objectives and connect the dots if you will.

As far as the bullshit comment about ADD magically disappearing because of a video game; you obviously don't have the first friggin' clue about you're talking about. Those of us with inattention-predominant ADD find that our ability to focus is polarized. It's often black/white, all or nothing. Either something is completely disregarded or we can hyper-focus for hours. It's all about mentally prioritizing and assigning importance to a particular task. If I find something interesting or I understand it's importance, I can completely zone out everything for hours and focus on that sole task. However if I find myself disinterested or I fail to recognize a task importance, it's very easy for me to completely disregard it. My school records reflect this for instance. Classes where I was either interested or I saw how it was relevant to my degree, I averaged a 3.7. However with classes such as Calculus where I didn't give a sh*t and didn't see how I would ever use it; I found it very very difficult to even get the daily assignments done. Thus, I concluded my college career with only a 3.0.

So do yourself a favor, research ADD, hyperfocusing and the mental processes involved before you spout off on something for which you don't have the first damn clue.

*rant over*

[Edited 2006-12-20 19:54:16]

User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1830 times:

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 5):
Parents can't handle their kids because they've spoiled them rotten and have now lost control so now want to blame it on something, so they invented ADD/ADHD.

Parents have forgotten that raising kids is HARD CONSTANT WORK. My son especially is one that specifically will completely ignore something till I physically get him to pay attention. You have to start correcting kids from the beginning. My son as well used to have the worst temper around, and would trash a room if he got mad. Slowly and with patience, we have been able to wean them from these tantrums to almost nothing now.

I also remembered something from my childhood that has worked wonders now. It is the talking to your parents about what you want. For some reason, kids sometimes don't know HOW to communicate. We both encourage and remind our kids to communicate their desires to us.

Quoting Dragogoalie (Reply 7):

This is just pure ignorance!

I don't deny that ADD/ADHD exist, they only issue I have about it is the extent of the problem. I do believe that some of these kids (from personal experience) don't have a psychological problem, but a parental problem.


25 Post contains images Aloges : OK, that part I agree with. While there is never a sharp line between all-good and all-bad things to do, there are some mistakles that need special a
26 Post contains links AeroWesty : For anyone wanting information about ADD/ADHD, and how it going undiagnosed creates problems later in life, this is an absorbing article from the New
27 Ctbarnes : Let me leave you in no doubt: ADD is a real condition. I know, I have it. I was diagnosed only three years ago this after years of being accused of un
28 Cosec59 : I always thought of mine as adults in training. It seems to have worked as the eldest is 21 next week, the youngest has just turned 18 and they are b
29 767Lover : ok
30 Mirrodie : Relax pal. There's not ignorance, it was really just a good conversation with this mother. Covered what ADD and ADHD is, the meds, the controversy be
31 AndesSMF : The experience I have with ADD comes from a co-worker. The glimpses I get from his family life are sometimes a little disturbing. Let me give you a l
32 Falcon84 : As a parent of a 7-year old who was diagnosed with ADD (by a docter who was diagnosed with it, and his daughter has it), I think you clowns better rea
33 AeroWesty : I have to really question the entire overdiagnosed/overprescribed argument. If you have a normal non-ADD/ADHD kid, and give them speed, what happens?
34 Post contains images Cosec59 : So, other people with children have no right to an opionion?
35 Falcon84 : If an opinion is grounded in pure ignorance? You answer that for me. I'll stick with my doctor's advice on this one. Ignorance is such bliss, isn't i
36 Aloges : They do, but that "ADD/ADHD is all made up!" nonsense must get pretty offensive if you're branded an irresponsible parent because of it.
37 Cosec59 : Why can't people just accept that their children are mis-behaved? I guess I come from the "old school" when it comes to kids. I never had a problem w
38 AeroWesty : I'd like an honest answer to this question. If your son or daughter broke a leg, would you say "Aww, suck it up, it isn't that bad! Don't be a cry-ba
39 Post contains images Mirrodie : Who is doing that? Talk about jumping the gun. We are discussing something and you jump out, as if you are a scholar in the subject, and claim we are
40 Mirrodie : You would not know it was broken without having sought medical attention.
41 Cosec59 : The fact that the bone may be sticking through the skin or the limb was deformed might be a slight clue
42 AeroWesty : You don't have any data on how many kids are going around high at the hands of their doctors, yet you'll continue to claim there are. How quaint. Not
43 Post contains links Falcon84 : Because, THEY'RE NOT ALL MISBEHAVED. Some of them DO put up with things like ADD/ADHD. It is real, and I deal with it every day. DO YOU? It's amazing
44 Aloges : WTF? They aren't mis-behaved if they can't do any better without help! Is an autistic child just mis-behaved? Is a child suffering from trisomy 21 ju
45 Cosec59 : Nothing to be proud of I'm afraid. Why not just sit down and talk to him? Find out what's really worrying him? Ive never raised so much as a finger t
46 AeroWesty : I wonder how the discussion would have gone if they'd been discussing whether or not the kids needed glasses, and "what did people do in the days bef
47 Aloges : Cosec59, please share the basis for your diagnosis. I'd be interested to know how a complete stranger can judge the abilities of a schoolboy several
48 Mirrodie : Oh, come on now...you damn well know that anecdotal evidence is about as effective as the next study. I am throwing out what I see. Finally, I didn't
49 Falcon84 : Unbelievable. EASY? When we went to talk to the doctor, we were determined not to put him on medication. However, our doctor has had ADD all his life
50 Aloges : We'd have done loads of different things, parents are very different. Some would have spanked their children to abusive extents, some would have sent
51 N229NW : Wow this is such a touchy topic, but I'd like to add to the middle ground. The question of what the label "disorder" means is at the heart here. Socie
52 AeroWesty : This one? It appeared you were asking Falcon to answer. Quaint to address someone else, then chastize me for not answering, but I'll give it a shot.
53 Dragogoalie : Can I just ask you to go back and read Ctbarnes's post (reply 27) and BCAInfoSys's post (reply 23), then look these two people, who suffer from ADD,
54 MBMBOS : Hey N229NW, Thanks for a reasoned response. To add to your comment, it appears that ADHD is the result of mis-timing or slightly slower neurotransmitt
55 AirframeAS : Oh yes! Lessons learned...still feared the 'board'! Very, very good! We get along very well. Im glad my Dad raised me very well and I am happy for wh
56 Mirrodie : That was a quaint answer (two can play that game, you see?) Of course you can cope with it, the question is how. I read the link, still doesnt answer
57 AeroWesty : Wow, I thought this was supposed to be a serious discussion, but it seems the eye doctor either 1) needs glasses, or 2) wants to play games. Let's se
58 Aa757first : Actually, the proper term would be ADHD - Inattentive. Well, actually, as you can see by reading the Wikipedia article someone posted, ADHD was first
59 Post contains images Piercey : Let me tell you all a little story Two years ago, I was mis-diagnosed with ADD and put on Ritalin. It did the exact opposite. I snapped @ every littl
60 Piercey : Mirrodie, look in the signature, see who you're talking to. Good Boy. ADD = Attention-Deficit Disorder ADHD = Attention-Deficit Hyper Disorder ADHD i
61 Post contains images AeroWesty : How interesting. I guess that takes the wind out of the sails of a lot of arguments here. Here we have a real life example of what happens when you g
62 Post contains links Aa757first : Technically, ADD doesn't exist anymore. The DSM categorizes the disease as ADHD, Predominantly Inattentive; ADHD, Predominantly Hyperactive and ADHD,
63 Post contains images Dragogoalie : To me, it looks more like he's telling Falcon to stop saying his kid has ADD, because in reality, his son is just a brat... and that all his kid is l
64 AirframeAS : Dont look at me, talk to a shrink...
65 AeroWesty : You're the one who made the claim. I'd expect you'd know what you're talking about. No?
66 Kmh1956 : I work in a school with 1000+ students. We have a large % of kids who have been diagnosed as ADD or ADHD and an extremely high percentage of those ki
67 AndesSMF : I have to agree with you. I don't doubt the existance of ADHD, but I have seen how some parents behave around some classic ADHD children, and there t
68 Falcon84 : Maybe there are SOME parents who's fault it is, but trust me, those who have legitimate ADD/ADHD kids are NOT the problem. The problem, whether some
69 AndesSMF : Yes, that is correct. But the other perspective, there are those parents who limit their interaction with children in such a ways that the kids beg f
70 Aa757first : Just out of curiosity, what qualifications do you have that allow you to assess these children and then rule out ADHD? AAndrew
71 Adopim88 : That was a good response to the matter. I just finished a class about Education Exceptional Children and ADD/ADHD was included in that. Here is a quo
72 Adopim88 : ......and as for the question that this thread is really about, yes I was spanked as a kid. I get along with my parents okay (with my dad a lot more t
73 AeroWesty : Interesting. Do they all receive medication? Do they take it? Do they improve? How can you tell a bratty kid from an ADD kid?
74 Mirrodie : Exactly. You truly have no clue. Based on what grounds? Falcon, I could not agree more. I do not think anyone refutes that there are legitimate cases
75 Aloges : OK, that makes it a bit better. But how you can tell that 60 to 70 per cent of the children are just "bratty" still is beyond me. May I assume that t
76 Post contains images AirframeAS : Trust me, I was on it and it didnt work for me. It doesnt work for everyone. Again, I was on it. I know what Im talking about. Im not going to dig up
77 AeroWesty : Wow, well, pal, you were the one who made the claim that meds were being used to discipline, that I'd pointed out previously is virtually impossible.
78 AirframeAS : No I wasn't the one that made the claim, the thread starter did! LMAO! Thats what I said, AeroWesty! Thanks for playing, though!
79 Mirrodie : I appreciate that Piercy and ASframe both have shown that weird things can happen in terms of treatment, etc. And I also appreciate the Falcon84 and A
80 AeroWesty : ::slap knee:: Thanks for playing, too!
81 AirframeAS : 'Bout time!
82 Post contains images Piercey : Not my quote....
83 DavestanKSAN : Great posts by some of you who have dealt directly with ADD. All the best to you and your loved ones. Here's a great video I found that explains what
84 SkySurfer : I got the slipper over the legs, i got the slipper on the arms and hands and yes it really hurt, i even got a few fists to the face and head but......
85 Post contains images Aloges : For instance, it tells me that you need to learn punctuation and the like.
86 QB001 : I'm so sorry I got into this thread this late, because I have a thing or two to say about ADD or ADHD. When I started school, at age 6, I was the best
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