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Pentagon Wants Another $99.7billion On Iraq/Afghan  
User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1190 times:

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/12/20/D8M4PJ980.html

AP: Pentagon Wants $99.7B More for Wars

Quote:

The Pentagon wants the White House to seek another $99.7 billion to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to information provided to The Associated Press.

The military's request, if embraced by President Bush and approved by Congress, would boost this year's budget for the wars to about $170 billion.

Also, the amount of replacing the worn out military gear, costs $2billion a month

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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1185 times:

Here's the CNN link also.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/12/20/war.funds.ap/index.html

As long as that expenditure is closely scrutinized, I'm okay with it. Particularly as shown in the CNN link - the replacing of worn equipment* and the procurement and fielding of body armor**.

* Which should have been done two years ago.
** Which should have happened almost immediately. It's a crying shame when troops can better equipment off the street than they can get from the military . . .

As Sen Reid said: The democrats support the package, but they will watch it like a hawk. Good on Sen. Reid.  thumbsup 


User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1180 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
Also, the amount of replacing the worn out military gear, costs $2billion a month

Thats less than 10 years to replace the entire 183 strong F-22 purchase agreement with brand new aircraft (ignoring the fact that the vast majority havent been delivered yet) at $120m a frame.

Or thats less than 2 years to replace the B-2 fleet with new frames.

Or they can buy 400 M1A1 Abams a month at $5m a pop.

Alternatively thats 6 A380s a month.

[Edited 2006-12-21 00:54:48]

User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1156 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
The democrats support the package, but they will watch it like a hawk.

I hope so, I am having a tough time believing either side really though. I wonder how much will be paid back by Iraq oil revenues that Cheney said would happen back in late 2002 or early 2003.
Also another quote from the story:
The Vietnam War cost an inflation-adjusted $121 billion at its height in 1968, according to the Congressional Research Service. The overall tally for Vietnam is $663 billion, adjusted for inflation, and Iraq costs are rapidly catching up.
Wow, we were in Vietnam for 30 years total from 45-75. But even if we take the 65-73 height of the war, this Iraq thing is pretty damn expensive.

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 2):



Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
Also, the amount of replacing the worn out military gear, costs $2billion a month

Ill also point out, that in my little community where I am a city council member, if we took a month's worth of Iraq money, we could replace the three exsisting schools we have, and each being 30, 38 and 62 years old respectively and the annual maintenance of which are staggering. We could pave every road in the community, of which only %30 are paved now. We could provide water and sewer service to the entire community, of which only %12 of residents have. The rest are on thier own wells and septic systems which have very high iron content, and septic tanks are a large polutant and health hazard. We could convert our entire town to natural gas instead of heating oil which is much more expensive and dirty to operate. We could provide a much needed and wanted but expensive by local standards community/youth center. We could make all of our city buildings compliant with ADA (Am. with disability act). Of which out of 8 public city owned buildings 4 are non-compliant, including the oldest school, city hall a firehall and our senior center. We could make our harbor(the lifeblood of the community) an all tide harbor, with individual slips instead of the very dangerous method of tying dozens of boats to one another. We could replace a very aging heavy equipment fleet, and upgrade our police cars, jail, and pay our teachers and public safety employees a fair wage. We could also expand our airport to recieve large jets to lessen our cost of living. On top of all these critical infastructure items, we could maintain and operate the city at a reasonable level for the next 25 years easily.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1148 times:

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 3):
But even if we take the 65-73 height of the war, this Iraq thing is pretty damn expensive.

While on the surface it seems expensive, and I grant you it is, please remember the media hype here . . .

Example:
M48A5 Tank. Cost around $250K each (+/-).
M1A1 Abrams. Cost (1980$ $1.1m each) 2006$ $5.5m each (+/-)

So while the cost is in fact approaching the Vietnam era expenditures, remember what things cost - even adjusted for inflation - these days. It's frightening.

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 3):
Ill also point out, that in my little community where I am a city council member, if we took a month's worth of Iraq money, we could replace the three exsisting schools we have, and each being 30, 38 and 62 years old respectively and the annual maintenance of which are staggering. . . . . . . On top of all these critical infastructure items, we could maintain and operate the city at a reasonable level for the next 25 years easily.

Truncated for space saving - hope you don't mind.

Exceptionally good points Bushpilot.

Might I toss in this bone. The same could be said for the Billions of dollars we shovel overseas to everyone else. While I don't want to seem like we shouldn't, I most certainly - adamantly - think we're short sheeting ourselves. The whole country. We have deteriorating infrastructure right here in this country that we literally ignore while sending $billions overseas. Sure they need help. But I'm a firm believer in taking care of one's own FIRST and foremost. This country has missed that boat for as long as I can remember.

So, my friend, it's not just the cost of the Iraq/Afghanistan conflicts that could be put to better use elsewhere. I think we should re-evaluate our entireM/b> foreign aide program . . . time to think about us first.


User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1141 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
Might I toss in this bone. The same could be said for the Billions of dollars we shovel overseas to everyone else.

Fair enough, it is just that it is easy to point it out on this one because it is in the media. It is just frustrating for me, who is part of a governmental system, and following all the rules, and guidelines set forth by higher ups, and my community struggles, as a government and as well as our citizens to fight not only a high cost of living, but also a high tax structure. We are encouraged to form a borough, but under the laws we need to, the outlying villages will never go for it. Ah Ill stop my rant now before I get to far into it.


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1129 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
The same could be said for the Billions of dollars we shovel overseas to everyone else

$75,000 to study arranged marriages in East Africa.

Why do we need to spend money on this?

$75,000 could have put at least 3 or 4 kids through a basic state university system.

Or paid off a portion of the child-support I owe. (j/k...not taking care of your kids isn't funny....neither is a nation ignoring problems at home; among other tings)



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