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Krakow To Prague, Overland- Train/bus?  
User currently offlineAmmunition From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 1064 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3370 times:

Hi all, im off to Poland in January, and need to get to Prague. Ive had a look at some travel websites, which recommend an overnight train, taking 8 hrs.

I will be in Krakow, on the 4th, and would like to be in Prague by the 5th, so on overnight on the 4th, or a morning train on the 5th, unless there are alternatives to this (e.g. buses)

Has anyone done the route, or know how much it will cost, or how reliable trains/buses are.

Amo


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User currently offlineZruda From Czech Republic, joined May 2006, 784 posts, RR: 29
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3369 times:

The trains on KRK-PRG are OK, I used to take them for some six years, though not all the way to KRK, but I stopped in OSR. Not sure about the prices as the intl tkt price vary from the domestic fares. I would just recommend taking a day train instead of the overnight one, as theres a certain risk of being robbed. So if u take the night train, be sure all your valuables and IDs are securely placed under your head or in your underwear .) I also wouldnt recommend travelling on such a nite train drunk, as drunk foreginers are often a good target for the stupid thieves. But dont worry, its not like travelling on train is dangerous, only you should be aware of the fact that you can lose things pretty fast.
The EC labelled cars which serve the route are usually nice and clean and have good dining cars.
And let me know if u are staying in PRG, I can give you some advice about the city if you wish  Smile good luck and enjoy the trip



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User currently offlineAmmunition From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 1064 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3358 times:

Hey, thanks for the prompt reply. Do you have any idea about availability of the train? if i arrive on the day, will i be able to get a ticket for the same day?

I will be in prague for 3 nights, so any suggestions and recommendations would be appreciated.

thank you
Amo



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User currently offlineAmmunition From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 1064 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3356 times:

Also, is Poland, or Krakow more specifically, a safe place to travel alone? I have never been to eastern europe.


Saint Augustine- 'The world is a book and those who do not travel, read only 1 page'
User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6265 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3352 times:

Quoting Ammunition (Reply 2):
Do you have any idea about availability of the train? if i arrive on the day, will i be able to get a ticket for the same day?

Should be no problem. YOu may not get a seat reservation, but you'll get a ticket.

Quoting Ammunition (Reply 3):
Also, is Poland, or Krakow more specifically, a safe place to travel alone? I have never been to eastern europe.

Poland is incredibly safe, and Krakow is probably the safest place in Poland. It's a great city and a great country. I do all my Europe travel in eastern Europe now, because it's so much cheaper (though it's increasing all the time), and I travel alone a lot (mostly in Hungary, Slovakia, and Poland).

You'll love it. Just be smart, and you'll be safe. Don't do stuff you wouldn't do in London or Paris or New York.


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3345 times:

For buses look at www.eurolines.com

User currently offlineAmmunition From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 1064 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3339 times:

eurolines is no use, ive had a look.


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User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2551 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3330 times:

Quoting Zruda (Reply 1):
I would just recommend taking a day train instead of the overnight one, as theres a certain risk of being robbed.

Monster (sorry, couldn't resist) is probably referring to problems caused by certain ethnic group in Northern Moravia. Well, I used to travel there quite frequently using a night train in late nineties using a car train service between Poprad and PRG. Nothing ever happened to me, nor to my car.

[Edited 2006-12-22 02:24:46]

User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6265 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3329 times:

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 7):
I would just recommend taking a day train instead of the overnight one, as theres a certain risk of being robbed.

Take the night train, dont waste a whole day on the train if you dont have to. You'll be fine on the night train...your odds of getting robbed are really small, especially if you use some common sense.


User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2551 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3323 times:

I would take a sleeper on a overnight train. I don't know what are the prices now, but it used to be pretty affordable, even in first class, at least between Slovakia and Czech rep.

User currently offlineZruda From Czech Republic, joined May 2006, 784 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3310 times:

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 7):

yup, youre having it right  Smile well I have travelled on the route for many years and never been robbed, only sometimes I was really close to that. So I just want ed to warn Ammo. But the night train saves time indeed. The sleepers are very affordable (there are 2 categories, sleepers and couchettes, the sleepers being 6 ppl in a department) and if you are going on weeknights, I suppose you even can have all the department for yourself, I experienced it several times too.



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12163 posts, RR: 36
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3300 times:
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LO KRK-PRG with stop in WAW - £70 Leave Jan 5th at 6am

[Edited 2006-12-22 15:07:52]


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User currently offlineAmmunition From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 1064 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3282 times:

thank for all your info, i will hopefully leave on the 4th, to be in prague for the weekend (and friday), i have considered flying, if it was not for this being a cheap adventure holiday, £70 seems far too much, when i am paying £93 for 5 flights.

For its convenience, however, i may still keep it in mind.


Amo



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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5597 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3277 times:

Take the EC train. Better be safe than sorry.

User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3267 times:

Quoting Ammunition (Reply 3):
Also, is Poland, or Krakow more specifically, a safe place to travel alone? I have never been to eastern europe.

I will be in Krakow Jan 2-4. Its a relatively boring (but because I dont like those sheephumpers from the south) for me but nice if youre a tourist. Certainly safe in the city centre. Unfortunately my girlfriend and her family is from that area and she is making me go for 2 days. I am flying EuroLOT WAW-KRK-WAW for around $80USD per person so not too bad. Polish rail sucks, I rode Warsaw-Katowice-Krakow last march with a friend of mine between 12am-6am (Slowest train ever and in 2nd class) and by the time I got to Krakow I got so drunk with these Ukrainians from a different compartment that I needed a good breakfast at McDonalds to wake myself up.

Quoting SW733 (Reply 4):
Poland is incredibly safe,

HAHAHAHHAHA

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Joke of the year, I almost fell out of my chair reading that one! Its safe if you stay where the tourists are and dont flaunt your things.


User currently offlineAmmunition From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 1064 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3261 times:

Right, i have booked the KRK-PRG flight via Warsaw, just for its convenience and the fact that i can confirm the trip, thanks for all your help everyone, greatly appreciated.

P.S. i payed £75 for the single

I'll take pics and hopefully do a trip report, my route for the trip is:
BHX-KRK SkyEurope 737
KRK-Warsaw LOT (operated by Eurolot) atr 72/emb 170
Warsaw-PRG LOT (operated by Eurolot) atr 42/ emd 170
PRG-Geneva FlyBaboo Dash-8 3
Geneva-AMS Easyjet 737
AMS-Milan Easyjet 737
Milan London (luton) Ryanair 737

Not entirely sure on a/c

If it wasnt for the LOT flight, the other 5 flights cost £93, which is why i was slightly apprehensive on forking out for it, but as it stands, £170 is not bad for 7 flights, averaging about £25 per flight.

What is there to do in Krakow?



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User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5572 posts, RR: 32
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3252 times:

Quoting Ammunition (Reply 3):
Also, is Poland, or Krakow more specifically, a safe place to travel alone? I have never been to eastern europe.



Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 14):
Joke of the year, I almost fell out of my chair reading that one! Its safe if you stay where the tourists are and dont flaunt your things.



Quoting Ammunition (Reply 15):
What is there to do in Krakow?

We were in Krakow two years ago and had no problems at all. It's a great city, and incredibly cheap. Of course take the usual precautions like not looking loaded -- that's a crazy thing to do ANYWHERE -- and you should have no safety problems. I never felt uneasy once in the city, even walking back to our hotel on my own at all hours of the night.

Things to do in Krackow: the biggest tourist attraction is Auschwitz, the former Nazi extermination camp which is WELL worth a visit. It's about an hour away by bus to Ozwiecim, and you can book tickets at the main bus station (I think it's beside the railway station). There are taxis offering to take you there, but the bus is for nothing and drops you outside the camp. You're better starting off early, say before 10, so you can do the two camps -- there's a free bus after you tour the main camp which takes you to Auschwitz 2 (Birkenau). Of all the day trips I've ever been on in my life, this was the most fascinating, absorbing, and, it must be said, draining, and that's saying something. We were glad to get back to Krackow and real life.

http://www.auschwitz-muzeum.oswiecim.pl/

Another great, and unique, trip is to the Wieliczka Salt Mines, again a bus trip from the city, probably about 30 mins away (your hotel or the tourist information office will give you details). Local buses leave every twenty minutes or so from the city centre: Spread over nine levels, it has 300 km of galleries with works of art, altars, and statues sculpted in salt. There's even a bar and cafeteria down there!

http://whc.unesco.org/pg.cfm?cid=31&id_site=32

And for something to eat, a great place to sample traditional Polish food is Chlopskie Jadlo (Peasant Kitchen), which has great food, a great atmosphere and is cheap. There are two of these restaurants in the city, both near the centre, with one just off the main square.

http://www.cracow-life.com/krakow/wh...taurants_details/8-Chlopskie_Jadlo

If you're looking for a hotel I can recommend a good, cheap one too. It's a great city which hasn't been overrun by tourists yet. You'll love it!

[Edited 2006-12-23 15:42:15]

User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2551 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3245 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 14):
I needed a good breakfast at McDonalds to wake myself up.

Dude, I'd hate to see what you consider a bad breakfast...  vomit 


User currently offlineRichPhitzwell From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3232 times:

just came from there. Trains are the primary form of transport in Poland and usually they run multiple times aday. I cant seem to get to the website right now but if you google something like poland trains or poland transport it will direct you to the polish site. very easy even if you dont speak polish.... the first column is where you are starting, the second is where you will end...imagine that.

cost to go half way accross the country is about 40 Z.... to give you and Idea, Grudziads (about the middle of the country)to Prague is about 14 hours....

edited for this:

This is one of the websites:
http://www.pkp.com.pl/

Basically you will need to google.pl and use key words like poland trains.

Good luck

[Edited 2006-12-24 01:07:56]

User currently offlineN229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 32
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3212 times:

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 7):
is probably referring to problems caused by certain ethnic group in Northern Moravia.

Wow, this thread made it all the way until reply 7 before the first racist comment! Can't say I'm surprised, as if this had been a Czech board, it probably would have been back at reply 1.

Since my wife is from said "certain ethnic group," I can only say that the only problem she's had taking trains on routes in Northern Moravia and Slovakia is when she has been with fellow members of said ethnic group who have darker skin than she does, and there have been skinheads pacing the corridors and threatening them. Another friend from this ethnic group actually had to barricade himself and his family in their compartment for two hours going from Ostrava to Prague, until the conductor (luckily) had the guts to rescue them from three skinheads wielding knives. Generally this tends to happen not on the fast EC trains though.

__________________________________
Ammunition, the train is fine, but actually the bus is probably cheaper and faster (and more direct); you will probably have to change trains more than once unless you take a very long overnight train.

[Edited 2006-12-24 10:53:10]


It's people like you what cause unrest!
User currently offlineAmmunition From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 1064 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3196 times:

Hey, thanks again for all your replies, i have booked the LOT flight from KRK-PRG via WAW

N229NW- having read ur post, i am slightly concerned, i have never been to eastern europe, and have little knowledge (though i am reading up on the history) of what tensions there are between communities.

Although sad, i understand judgements based on appearance can be made, and your comments on skin colour/appearance are worrying. Are there many racially/appearance aggrevated attacks within poland? Being of indian origin, i am a little concerned, but never enough that it would cause hesitation for going there.

Amo



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User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5572 posts, RR: 32
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3183 times:

Something else to do in Krakow, which might interest you, is the Shindler's List tour. It was shot on location in the city (passing off as Warsaw which was destroyed in the war) and there is a tour taking in the locations used. If you haven't seen the film it might be worth renting out the DVD before you go.

User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2551 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3174 times:

Quoting N229NW (Reply 19):
Wow, this thread made it all the way until reply 7 before the first racist comment!

Ok, ask your wife what their politically correct word for themselves mean and how they call the majority population (and what it means in english). After decoding that, you'll see that xenophobia is alive and well among them, same as the majority population. And by the way, you're welcome to put your money where your mouth is and prove I'm racist.


User currently offlineMilan320 From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 869 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3166 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 14):
Joke of the year, I almost fell out of my chair reading that one! Its safe if you stay where the tourists are and dont flaunt your things.

Typical Polish pessimism I see.
/Milan320



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User currently offlineN229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 32
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3162 times:

Quoting Ammunition (Reply 20):
Being of indian origin, i am a little concerned, but never enough that it would cause hesitation for going there.

Hi Amo,

As you know, the Roma also come from India originally, and their language is closer to Punjabi than any other current language. It is a pretty much totally different situation from Roma in the UK, where most "Gypsies" are white-looking and the issue is nomadism--the Roma in Eastern Europe mainly have been settled for generations if not centuries. The issue there is really one of skin color and urban ghettos.

All this means that yes, you will look a little like a Rom. But you really shouldn't have a problem in any of the major tourist areas (including pretty much anywhere in Prague, Krakow, etc. and tourist sites in the countryside). (I have much more experience of the the Czech Republic, but the situation is quite similar in Poland). There, people are used to dealing with darker-skinned foreigners and will assume you are foreign unless you start speaking local-accented Czech/Polish/Hungarian, etc. I wouldn't go traveling/wandering alone at night around more industrial, depressed places (like Ostrava in said Northern Moravia). There you might be more likely to be treated poorly, threatened or attacked just from your appearance.

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 22):
Ok, ask your wife what their politically correct word for themselves mean and how they call the majority population (and what it means in english). After decoding that, you'll see that xenophobia is alive and well among them, same as the majority population. And by the way, you're welcome to put your money where your mouth is and prove I'm racist.

Rom means "man/husband" in the Romany language, similarly to many other groups' names for themselves. Yes the Roma also have a word, as many other groups do, meaning "not one of us": Gadjo (derived from Sanskrit, originally meaning a civilian). And yes of course there are racist Roma, racist Black people, racist Indians, etc. Lord knows every group has more than its fair share of idiots of all types. Just because there are racists everywhere is no excuse. As for "proving you are racist," I don't know you or your daily actions. I can only say your comment is racist.

It's statistically true, for example, that more petty crime is committed by Roma in Eastern Europe, and by Black people in the US. However, over the last generations in the US, UK, etc. most people have realized that discrimination and socioeconomic factors contribute mightily to such statistics, and you'd not last very long in polite society in the US saying that mugging, shoplifting, and pickpocketing were "problems caused by a certain ethnic group" (your own words).

When you consider that in the Czech Republic, for example, 75% of Romany children (by the government's own admission) are segregated into special schools for the mentally retarded from a young age--effectively killing their opportunities--and that even if they are educated, they face intense housing and job discrimination (according to a recent survey in Lidove Noviny, the Czech paper, 75% of Czechs believe it is totally appropriate for private employers not to hire Roma based on their race, since they are private employers and can hire whomever they want), you can see some of the most obvious reasons that might contribute to the high welfare, unemployment, and petty crime rates among this minority. Such things are always a two-way street.

___________________________

Anyway, I hope Amo enjoys his trip, and I'm pretty sure he will.

[Edited 2006-12-24 21:39:55]


It's people like you what cause unrest!
25 WildcatYXU : FYI, there are more meanings to certain words. Roma means for instance a human, whereas gadzo (the word how the Roma population labels the others) me
26 LOT767-300ER : McDonalds McGriddles work on hangovers like nothing else. No. But you and I know the whole of Poland is not only Warsaw, Gdansk and Krakow city cente
27 WildcatYXU : Well, I usually can't eat next day. At least not breakfast...
28 L410Turbolet : Wow, it took 19 replys until N229NW, our very self-righteous politically correct police jumped all over this thread and took it totally off-topic. Th
29 RichPhitzwell : I spent two weeks by myself between north and south Poland. It is a poor country with proud people that have been rolled over many times and still ar
30 WildcatYXU : Please, don't try to explain to him anything. He's probably one of the 17 year old high school graduates who came to central Europe in 1990 to teach
31 N229NW : Actually, given the skin color of the original poster, and the theme of alerting him to specific precautions he should take on certain trains in indu
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