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Is This It For Castro?  
User currently offlineBhmbaglock From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2050 times:

Apparently Castro is taking a turn for the worse. The Cuban govt has chartered a flight from Spain with equpment and a surgeon who specializes in intestinal problems.

Let's hope this is the beginning of the end of many years of repression for the Cuban people.


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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2007 times:

Apparently he put his brother in control who is worse then he is. If that is t he case then the repression for the Cuban people is only about to begin.

User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1998 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 1):
Apparently he put his brother in control who is worse then he is.

That's what I've heard as well... But maybe the US can reach to him and provide incentives to more democratize Cuba? The US should view this as an oppurtunity.



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1990 times:

[quote=San747,reply=2]The US should view this as an oppurtunity.

They should, but the US has followed the same failed policy with Cuba for 45 years, doubt it will change anytime soon.


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1986 times:

Why is Castro's downturn a surprise. I've been expecting it for half a year. Intestinal problems x 6 months + no return to work = cancer - life.

Mark


User currently offlineSlovacek747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

I sure hope hes gonna be a gonner soon. bastard doesn't deserve the dirt he walks on.

User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1958 times:

If 'ol Fidel bites the proverbial bullet I won't lose any sleep. I might just raise a cold one to celebrate the occasion.

User currently offlineGeorgetown From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 239 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1953 times:
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What will be interesting to see unfold is the relativly new dynamic of having Chavez in power in nearby Venezuela. The question becomes (very very broadly speaking) which way does Cuba swing? Will Chavez be able to throw enough weight around to keep Cuba facing the socialist direction, or will years of economic and political oppression be enough to cause a sizeable democratic sway in the population. I think some of the main considerations here (and again, I'm speaking very broadly) are the influence of the US in the near term (and specifically the large and fairly prosperous Cuban community in the US), the influence of Raul Castro (is he a political heavy or demogogueic lightweight), the Chavez situation, and finally and most importantly, the magnitude of desire of the Cuban people.

It'll be fascinating, that's for sure.



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User currently offlinePhotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2734 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1944 times:

Quoting San747 (Reply 2):
The US should view this as an oppurtunity.

Yup, absolutely agree. The USA should take the opportunity to BUTT THE HECK OUT of other countries affairs. That would be a good first start.

Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 5):
I sure hope hes gonna be a gonner soon. bastard doesn't deserve the dirt he walks on.

At your age, and being an American resident, I wonder on what factual basis you make this statement? Have you been to Cuba? Have you lived in a Havana apartment like I have? Do you have any very close Cuban friends living in Cuba? No to all the above. Well then IMHO you don't know what you're really talking about.


User currently offlineGeorgetown From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 239 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1935 times:
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Quoting Photopilot (Reply 8):
At your age, and being an American resident, I wonder on what factual basis you make this statement? Have you been to Cuba? Have you lived in a Havana apartment like I have? Do you have any very close Cuban friends living in Cuba? No to all the above. Well then IMHO you don't know what you're really talking about.

Just gonna jump in in his defense for a minute (been to Cuba plenty of times in a prior job, have very close Cuban friends, etc etc). I'm just curious - and I don't mean this sarcastically at all - what you feel the benefit of having Castro in power has been over the course of the last half century?



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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5711 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1900 times:

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 8):
IMHO you don't know what you're really talking about

Just because he's not running around in Che Guevara t-shirt he can't have an opinion?
I know it might be considered "cool" and "trendy" and "in" to be pro-Castro in your comfy Canadian place enjoying all the freedoms, democracy and rights people in Cuba cannot enjoy, but believe me playing "useful idiot" and defending thug and dictator like Castro really does NOT help the Cuban people.


User currently offlineN174UA From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1885 times:

Pinochet and Castro dead in the same year? One can hope...

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 8):
Yup, absolutely agree. The USA should take the opportunity to BUTT THE HECK OUT of other countries affairs. That would be a good first start.

That's fine with me. Next time there's a crisis somewhere, we'll just ask the almight powerful Canadian military to step in and solve the problem. Let some other country spend their tax revenue, I'm tired of seeing mine go to waste.


User currently offlineTootallsd From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1879 times:
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Quoting AirCop (Reply 3):
[quote=San747,reply=2]The US should view this as an oppurtunity.

They should, but the US has followed the same failed policy with Cuba for 45 years, doubt it will change anytime soon.

Amen to that AirCop. We should have been talking to Castro and the Cuban people for a long time. Just like we should be talking to the younger population in Iran. But a testosterone driven foreign policy precludes such wisdon.


User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1824 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 1):
Apparently he put his brother in control who is worse then he is. If that is t he case then the repression for the Cuban people is only about to begin.

Actually, there have been some indications lately that Raul may be looking at opening things up a bit. He seems to rather admire the way the Chinese have liberalized their economy. Such a change would certainly not represent true freedom for the Cuban people but would be a large step forward from where they are now.

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 6):
If 'ol Fidel bites the proverbial bullet I won't lose any sleep. I might just raise a cold one to celebrate the occasion.

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I was surprised earlier tonight when talking to a friend from Puerto Rico that the people in PR are very apprehensive about a free Cuba. According to him, there is a fear that it would be terrible for their economy. Personally, I think it would be the exact opposite but who knows?

Either way, he'll be OK as he's finishing a surgical residency and then he belongs to the US Army for 7 years.



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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4967 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1816 times:

Quoting N174UA (Reply 11):
Pinochet and Castro dead in the same year? One can hope...

I thought the same thing, but I think we will run out of days to see both of them gone in the same year. I generally do not wish anyone's death, but with these characters I decided to make an exception.

regards  Smile



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User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1810 times:

Quoting Tootallsd (Reply 12):
Just like we should be talking to the younger population in Iran.

And just how much political power does the younger generation hold in Iran? And would you be willing to throw the financial support required to achieve their aims, or should the US butt out of Iran as well?


User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1797 times:

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 8):

I've been there, and I have to say, that of all the Caribbean islands that I've been to it is far and away my least favorite. I found there was nothing to buy, sure the beer was good, but I can get that just about anywhere, Puerto Rico has much more to do, especially at night, in my opinion.

And I doubt that the US will butt into anything if Fidel dies, but I bet it would be in Cuba's best interests to make nice with the US, trade and economic advantages would be good. I'm sure that the US can keep on living just fine without Cuba though.


User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5711 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1790 times:

Quoting Bhmbaglock (Thread starter):
The Cuban govt has chartered a flight from Spain with equpment and a surgeon who specializes in intestinal problems.

Interesting. Since Cuban health system is supposed to be so great, how come it is not good enough for Fidel?
Instead of being hypocrite he should "harvest the fruits" of his failed policies until the bitter end, shouldn't he?


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12250 posts, RR: 35
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1776 times:
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Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 13):
According to him, there is a fear that it would be terrible for their economy. Personally, I think it would be the exact opposite but who knows?

I guess tourists who now go to Puerto Rico might go to Cuba instead. If nothing else, it's increased competition, and I'm sure many Americans will go to Cuba simply because now they can.



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User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1763 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 18):
I guess tourists who now go to Puerto Rico might go to Cuba instead. If nothing else, it's increased competition, and I'm sure many Americans will go to Cuba simply because now they can.

Actually, he was more worried about their manufacturing economy, companies like Bacardi, etc. that were driven out of Cuba when their assets were "nationalized". Personally, I think it would take quite a while for these companies to be comfortable enough to invest in Cuba again without fear of losing their investment. That is unless Cuba were to give them their property back but I don't see that happening even though it would be the smartest thing they could do long run.



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1726 times:

Quoting Bhmbaglock (Thread starter):
Let's hope this is the beginning of the end of many years of repression for the Cuban people.

And Miamians as well.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1714 times:

While I also would love to see Fidel go for good, we have to see the big picture. If Fidel dies, his brother Raúl will likely still be in power. If it is true that Raúl is worse than Fidel, then things will take a turn for the worse, unless Raúl decides to keep things the same like his brother did. But if Raúl falls, who will become the leader? Will then the US sanctions be dropped or will a new revolution happen, perhaps even a US backed one to convert Cuba into a democratic state? What will be of their health and education system (remember that Cuba has one of the, if not the lowest illiteracy percentage in the region) and also of their economy in general?

Bottom line, if Fidel dies, there will be even more question marks than now. Make no mistake, if Fidel dies, I'll certainly not cry over his death because he was a brutal dictator, but as I said, we need to look at the big picture. Changes in a country are always easier said than done, and Cuba is certainly no exception. It's just not that easy.


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1696 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 21):
Changes in a country are always easier said than done, and Cuba is certainly no exception. It's just not that easy.

It might not be that easy, but it could certainly be a great start. biggrin 


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1677 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 22):
It might not be that easy, but it could certainly be a great start.

If it is a change for good, then I fully agree.


User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1677 times:

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 8):
At your age, and being an American resident, I wonder on what factual basis you make this statement? Have you been to Cuba? Have you lived in a Havana apartment like I have? Do you have any very close Cuban friends living in Cuba? No to all the above. Well then IMHO you don't know what you're really talking about.

Tell that to the thousands of Cuban refugees in Miami. Let me know how it goes if you live. I'll buy you a Coke of your Che Guevara shirt isn't ripped up either. He's as bad, if not worse, than Pinochet. You have it tough though. Castro can just have those who don't share his views killed...

You do realize what you said could also have been said about Poland in 1980. Just because you see smiling faces, doesn't mean they're happy with the state of their nation. The trains ran on time under that bastard Jaruselski. Under Gomulka too. Christmas of '81 was an interesting one there indeed.  Yeah sure

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25 AndesSMF : You might actually claim that those smiles 'could' be real, after all, a good portion of the people in Cuba might not realize how much better their l
26 Post contains images LTU932 : Many people don't even know of such things. We're talking about a totalitarian regime and many people don't even have the same media access as we do.
27 Post contains images Boeing4ever : Indeed. I'd hate to see the looks on those faces when the truth of what could be hits them. B4e-Forever New Frontiers
28 YYZatcboy : Why are US citezens so mortally afraid of any system of government that is not their own. Don't say because it's evil. I'm looking for a calm and fact
29 AndesSMF : Is not necessarily all US citizens (BTW, I am naturalized). But instead of trying to go into all the gory details, it will be better asked as to why
30 YYZatcboy : I assume nothing. I am coming at this from an academic point of view. Just saying it is a good reason is not a reason. I want to know why. I've studie
31 Post contains images Boeing4ever : My family experienced such a government behind the Iron Curtain. Evil, actually is a legit answer in this case. The experiences of those non-US citiz
32 Tsaord : I agree. Whatever Direction Cuba goes should Fidel fall should be up to its people and government. Why does the US government feel that anything othe
33 Gunsontheroof : Yeah...poor repressed Miamians! Those Cubans that the U.S. government allows to stay in Miami are really degrading their quality of life... This thre
34 SKYSERVICE_330 : As we're currently doing in Southern Afghanistan while other NATO allies stand on the sidelines.
35 AndesSMF : Is is not just the US, nor the Western World, there are plenty of people who have lived in other political systems who feel that any other political
36 BHMBAGLOCK : Have you ever sat down and really talked with somebody who lived under a communist regime? I've done this many times with people from a number of dif
37 LTBEWR : Raul has been the head of the Military, the Police, and 2nd to Fidel in the Party. He has also been in charge of the treatment of political prisioner
38 ME AVN FAN : Raul Castro apparently has lead the country for some time now. And looks like being competent and up to the job. Bad is that he is a staunch communis
39 ME AVN FAN : - Alright, but I hardly have to tell you that a considerable part of all emigration/immigration in the world is NOT due to politics but due to econom
40 AndesSMF : They go well together, don't they? It is interesting to note that the freer the country becomes, a better economy soon follows.
41 Post contains images TedTAce : Says the BOY from Washington state. If you had so much as a clue you'd REALIZE that I was talking about the people like me who lived in Miami before
42 ME AVN FAN : YES on both counts. At least generally. I in the Pinochet years discussed things with a businessman active in Santiago, who insisted that the economy
43 Post contains images Jalto27R : Does Miami count? Those people must love Cuba so much they wanted to spread it's wonderful culture to America, right?! Well..not all US "citezens" do
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