AerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15358 times:
Africa is a continent riven by more than its share of strife, disease, and disorder.
What are some of the better places to stay in Africa from the point of view of personal safety and well-being? What are some of the places to avoid?
I am aware that the largest and most tourist-oriented cities in, for example, South Africa are probably relatively safe to visit, but are there others? What are some of the most healthful places to visit in Africa?
Further, what, in your view, are some of the places in Africa that are usually considered safe or healthful to visit, that really are not?
AerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15343 times:
Quoting Miamiair (Reply 1): Do you post whatever random thoughts careen through your mind?
Not at all. Naturally, I follow a carefully screened mindprogram provided by the Airliners.net Posters Syndicate, situated in the capital city of the seventh planet of the brightest star in the constellation of Orion.
53Sqdn From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 15320 times:
Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 3): Not at all. Naturally, I follow a carefully screened mindprogram provided by the Airliners.net Posters Syndicate, situated in the capital city of the seventh planet of the brightest star in the constellation of Orion.
Here's me thinking 'I' was 'shot' away. Jeez ASF, I'm an amateur compared to you. So, are you on planet nine at the moment?
AerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 15275 times:
Quoting 53Sqdn (Reply 5): Here's me thinking 'I' was 'shot' away. Jeez ASF, I'm an amateur compared to you. So, are you on planet nine at the moment?
Strangely, I have no idea! Generally, I try to stay on Earth, but there are times when I'm a thousand light years away.
Quoting Frequentflyer (Reply 6): Let meknow if you need some more details, I would be happy to provide them, incl. re: accomodation and things to do.
The Seychelles sounds wonderful, Pat. I would indeed be interested in knowing a bit more about your experiences there, when you have the chance.
Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 9): My dad has friends all over Tanzania and Kenya, and both are nice and safe places.
Thank you for that information, KaiGywer.
I studied about Tanzania and Kenya in a course at college, and there were comparisons between the two that favored Kenya. Sadly, it seems to me that, at least according to the news, times have worsened a bit even for Kenya, although it is quite possible my information may be dated. It's of interest to me what the situation is in both places at present, and your response is encouraging.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 19314 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 15269 times:
Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter): I am aware that the largest and most tourist-oriented cities in, for example, South Africa are probably relatively safe to visit, but are there others? What are some of the most healthful places to visit in Africa?
I have been to Senegal, the Gambia, Namibia, and Cape Town in South Africa, and I have never ever felt unsafe....even wandering around Dakar after the electricity was cut. Moreover, I've never gotten sick (now I've jinxed myself...haven't I?). My friends have also been to Niger and Tunisia, and I would have gone to those as well had I not either been bumped from the flight (AF is dead to me) or changed jobs. Again they never felt unsafe nor did they ever get sick. And we all stick out like sore thumbs anywhere in Africa. We are planning to go to Ethiopia, Djibouti, and Somaliland this coming Thanksgiving, assuming that whole region doesn't go to sh!t in the mean time. I think as long as you're cogniscent of your surroundings, you don't look like you're worthwhile robbing, and you make sure everything you eat is reasonably safe (ie steaming hot, or cooked in front of you, or peeled, etc), you should be fine. That said, just about everyone we met on the continent warned us about JNB, which I thought was odd. I've never heard one city so uniformly condemned.
AerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 15262 times:
^^ Your comments are very helpful, Maverick. I had no idea that Senegal, the Gambia, Namibia, and Cape Town were all that safe. I will certainly look into it. I'm also interested in why JNB is deemed so dangerous.
Our media's coverage of Africa here is rather abysmal. We hear about Darfur, for example, and various other regions of war or famine, but there is hardly ever any other information on what Africa can offer. This creates an information vacuum that must be quite frustrating for those who would like to travel in appreciation of places where, like some areas of Africa, wildlife such as elephants, rhinos, and lions must roam in abundance.
I would imagine that even a quick read of any of the popular travel guides (e.g., the Lonely Planet series) could provide a thousand times as much information about a particular African country than one would generally receive on a typical day here in America.
Flyer732 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1395 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 15256 times:
I wouldn't go as far as to call any of them "safe" just keep your head on straight and don't do anything stupid. Common sense goes a long way.
That being said, for the next several months I'll be travelling back and forth from Europe to Ethiopia via Cairo and Khartoum, Sudan...I can't say I'm at all thrilled about that last one, but I'm getting paid for it so who am I to complain?
I would also look into somewhere like Namibia, some of the best desert scenery in the world, and off the beaten-track...I've never heard a bad thing about the place.
Interesting...my company used to operate to Djibouti, and the state department highly advised against us keeping a crew there, let alone keeping the plane there. So we never did. I also can't say Somalia would be high on my travel list....and I'd go just about anywhere.
Frequentflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 736 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 15218 times:
Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 10): The Seychelles sounds wonderful, Pat. I would indeed be interested in knowing a bit more about your experiences there, when you have the chance.
AFan: well you may want to plan for 5 days in Mahe (the main island) and then go by boat to La Digue or Praslin, smaller islands but.. God, what a scenery! Stay a couple of days there. Sailing, fishing, Snorkeling, Scuba, paragliding and canoe + swimming in pristine unscathed waters, that's what I've done so far in Seychelles and believe me it is wonderful, even if a bit pricier than Mauritius or Reunion or even Maldives. When you stay on Mahe, try the Beauvalon Beach resort, and ask for a chalet, as close as possible to the Sea. The magnificent beach is yards away. On La digue, go to Anse Boudin, one of the most beautiful beaches I have ever seen. Bring a lot of sunscreen with you!
Avt007 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 2132 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 15192 times:
Libya is quite safe and stable. If you are a fan of Roman ruins, they have some of the best in the world. Don't expect Western style service, as they are just now adapting to the idea of the whole tourism thing, but they are nice people, the climate is nice and it's off the beaten path.
Doona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3799 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 15145 times:
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 18):
It definitely was once upon a time. However the country went down the toilet starting in 2002, so I'm not sure how dodgy it is now.
And that freaky toxic waste scandal a few months ago. Put 60,000 people in the hospital. I've heard good things about Gambia from friends who've been there. Libya also seems like a nice place to visit (though Americans might not be all that welcome...).
Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 13): I also can't say Somalia would be high on my travel list....and I'd go just about anywhere.
Somalia and Somaliland are not the same thing. Though Somaliland is located in the northern part of Somalia, it is in most other aspects a country in it's own. Apparently the local chiefs and elders pulled their communities together and managed to keep war and famine away, even during the problems of the early 90's. Problems is that no-one outside of Somaliland will recognize them as a sovereign nation, as that would violate principle of sovereignity, as the [rather disintegrated] Somali government doesn't want to let them go. I think they deserve independence, as they've done a much better job than the Somalis when it comes to, you know, taking care of its people.
Sure, we're concerned for our lives. Just not as concerned as saving 9 bucks on a roundtrip to Ft. Myers.
KBFIspotter From United States of America, joined May 2005, 729 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 15131 times:
The only African country I have been to is Mali in 1998, and I would love to go back sometime in the future... I only spent three days in Bamako, but I liked the city. It does not have too many western influences, and is a great place to explore. I also had the unique opportunity to spend a month in the mythical city of Timbuktu, about four hundred miles (IIRC) north east of Bamako. I was impressed by the city, and by the generousity of the nationals. Although I was there on a summer missions trip with a church group, we still found the time to explore the city and the surrounding desert.
Andaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15092 times:
Talking about the whole African contident, I have been only in Morocco. In winter the North-African countries like Morocco, Tunisia and Egypt are inexpensive package holiday destinations for Finns and other Nordics.
I liked Morocco, it's an interesting mix of Arab, black African and French influences. Very pleasant climate in winter, great food and the Sahara desert is one of the most beutiful places I have ever been.
The only difficult thing for me was that I wasn't left much personal space,
local guys often came VERY close physically.