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MCI Vs Prevost Vs Van Hool  
User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3301 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 11866 times:

These three motorcoach builder, seems to be the largest motorcoach builder for the US. Witch one builds the better motorcoach (bus), when it comes to strength and speed? I know MCI was own by Greyhound for a long time, so they should be very well built. So who build the best motor coach for the US?

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User currently offlineNWDC10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 11862 times:

Even though i'm still a Crown Super Coach lover, i would guess Prevost are the best motor coaches. Robert NWDC10

User currently offlineEmiratesA345 From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 2121 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11854 times:

Don't forget Setra. They are a new player in the North American market but offer a fantastic product. The styling of these coaches is very modern and the driver's compartment is very spacious and comfortable. That being said, they are not yet one of the major players. Here, in Ontario, MCI is the most common coach, with Prevost being second.

Having driven both, unfortunately both older models, I found the H3-45 to be much more comfortable from a driver's view point. As a passenger I found they were pretty much equal.

Overall, I would say the Prevost, although I've become more and more fond of the new D4505 that I've seen Greyhound Canada Lines operating (12XX buses).


Mark


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User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 4981 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11844 times:

Obviously I'll go for Van Hool, them being Belgian and all  Wink

T9 standard touring coach:
http://www.bussbilder.se/images/VH_Altano_PAM_1S.jpg

C2045, designed specifically for the American market, with emphasis on strength and durability. Since its introduction in 2000, it's been the most popular imported coach in the US, outselling all other imported coached combined!



And, as a little teaser, you'll soon be seeing the first double-decker Van Hool coaches in the US. Here's the European model:



Quoting EmiratesA345 (Reply 2):
Don't forget Setra. They are a new player in the North American market

Setra aren't new in North America. I already saw several of them in the US back in 1996.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11842 times:

Personally. I think MCI's D4505/4605 are sharp looking buses; with MCI reputation for quality, that who my money would be on.

User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3301 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11816 times:

Quoting NWDC10 (Reply 1):
Even though i'm still a Crown Super Coach lover, i would guess Prevost are the best motor coaches. Robert NWDC10

You can not beat the sound of a Cumming powered Crown Super Coach. The tandem ( 3 axle) Crown Super Coach in Los Angele Unified School District fleet had Cumming engines, and boy, when they past you on the street, you would think a truck size Harley Davidson just past you.


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11813 times:

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 5):
You can not beat the sound of a Cumming powered Crown Super Coach.

That would be something to see! All those squishing sounds...

I like the VanHool doubles. The first one I saw in the USA had German number plates. It was a group of Germans en route to Minneapolis via Russia, Alaska, Canada, and the lower states.

Mark

[Edited 2006-12-31 22:38:06]

User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3462 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11797 times:

I am slowly starting to take an intrest in buses.

I vote MCI for long distance transit buses (GO), Prevost for charter/coach travel (Can-Ar, Canada Coach) and Van Hool for regular transit (take our VIVA system for example. We use 40 ft. A330s and 60 ft. articulated AG300s)

[Edited 2007-01-01 02:59:19]


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User currently offlineNWDC10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11773 times:

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 5):
You can not beat the sound of a Cumming powered Crown Super Coach. The tandem ( 3 axle) Crown Super Coach in Los Angele Unified School District fleet had Cumming engines, and boy, when they past you on the street, you would think a truck size Harley Davidson just past you.

I still LOVE the sound of the Detroit 671 Turbo Diesel on Crowns the best. My home town only bought Crowns with Detroit and Cummins Turbo Diesels. I love Detroit Turbo Diesel the best. Robert NWDC10


User currently offlineCcrlR From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2223 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11764 times:
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I've been on the MCI ones and the VanHool too. I like the van Hool ones because of the push button door opening systems not like some of the older MCI ones. I can't wait to ride on a VanHool double decker bus once they are here in the USA.

What about transit buses? I like the Nova Bus that we use in Chicago. What about the other cities that have this one too?



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User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3301 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11761 times:

Quoting EmiratesA345 (Reply 2):
Don't forget Setra. They are a new player in the North American market but offer a fantastic product. The styling of these coaches is very modern and the driver's compartment is very spacious and comfortable. That being said, they are not yet one of the major players. Here, in Ontario, MCI is the most common coach, with Prevost being second.

Having driven both, unfortunately both older models, I found the H3-45 to be much more comfortable from a driver's view point. As a passenger I found they were pretty much equal.

Overall, I would say the Prevost, although I've become more and more fond of the new D4505 that I've seen Greyhound Canada Lines operating (12XX buses).


Mark

The Setra S-418 is a beautyful work of art. The H3-40,41,45 , H5-60 and S-418 are road monsters. At 12 feet tall, they are the biggest single deck motorcoaches in the US. The new D4505 is beautyful inside also, with there flat screen TV. Who ever thought putting a G4500 nose and a J4500 front roof would trun a the good old 102 DL3 into a new design.

Quoting EmiratesA345 (Reply 2):
And, as a little teaser, you'll soon be seeing the first double-decker Van Hool coaches in the US. Here's the European model:


When! It would be nice to see another double-deck motorcoach other than Neoplan N-122 Skyliners in the US.

Quoting NWDC10 (Reply 8):
I still LOVE the sound of the Detroit 671 Turbo Diesel on Crowns the best. My home town only bought Crowns with Detroit and Cummins Turbo Diesels. I love Detroit Turbo Diesel the best. Robert NWDC10

But that cumming got that deep base sound that can not be beat.:D What school district did you guys buy them from. Crown Super Coaches was for the most part , mainly in California School district. To bad the Crown Company went out of bussiness, because they build the storngest school buses ever to be built.


User currently offlineNWDC10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11744 times:

My home town is Wenatchee, Wa. They only bought Crowns. Remember the Hall-Scott Engines? They park their milti-million dollar fleet in a nice bus garage. It's a long building with individual garage doors on each side. I too am sad Crowns aren't made. The were the very best school busses ever made with higher than government safety standards. The last 2 40-foot Crowns Wenatchee bought were $124,000/each but they last forever. Robert NWDC10

User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3462 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 11725 times:

I love the sound our Viva AG300s make when they have to slow down fast. Its like a "Wheeeeeeenswwooosh!".


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User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11722 times:

Van Hool for the same reason JAGflyer stated, the accordion buses that VIVA uses, I'm not much of a bus guy myself, but I do love those buses!

User currently offlineCcrlR From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2223 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11694 times:
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Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 12):
I love the sound our Viva AG300s make when they have to slow down fast. Its like a "Wheeeeeeenswwooosh!".

I like it when all buses do that when they start. I've been on a few VanHools that would do that but it's just been the transit buses I've heard do that now. What kind of starter system do they have when they do that? Diesel starter?



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User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 4981 posts, RR: 44
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11687 times:

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 10):
When! It would be nice to see another double-deck motorcoach other than Neoplan N-122 Skyliners in the US.

Well, the prototype (i.e. the first 'Americanised' double-decker) is moving down the production line as we speak. That is, according to my brother, who works at Van Hool.

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 13):
Van Hool for the same reason JAGflyer stated, the accordion buses that VIVA uses, I'm not much of a bus guy myself, but I do love those buses!

If you like the AG300, you'd probably love the AGG300:




User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3301 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11681 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 15):
Well, the prototype (i.e. the first 'Americanised' double-decker) is moving down the production line as we speak. That is, according to my brother, who works at Van Hool.

Will it have a Detroit Diesel 60 or a brand new engine?


User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 4981 posts, RR: 44
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11680 times:

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 16):
Will it have a Detroit Diesel 60 or a brand new engine?

I'll be sure to ask him when I get the chance. Seeing as how he installs the engines, he should know or be able to find out...


User currently offlineEmiratesA345 From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 2121 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11655 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 3):
Setra aren't new in North America. I already saw several of them in the US back in 1996.

You're right. My mistake. What I meant was that they haven't been major players, such as Prevost and MCI, especially in Canada.

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 5):
You can not beat the sound of a Cumming powered Crown Super Coach. The tandem ( 3 axle) Crown Super Coach in Los Angele Unified School District fleet had Cumming engines, and boy, when they past you on the street, you would think a truck size Harley Davidson just past you.

Unless there is a brand Cumming, that I don't know about, I believe you're referring to Cummins.

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 7):
I am slowly starting to take an intrest in buses.

Good choice my son.

Quoting CcrlR (Reply 9):
What about transit buses? I like the Nova Bus that we use in Chicago. What about the other cities that have this one too?

The system that I work for has began to exclusively purchase buses from NovaBus. We've found them to be very reliable, driver and passenger friendly, as well as offering us the cheapest price when we set out a tender.

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 12):
I love the sound our Viva AG300s make when they have to slow down fast. Its like a "Wheeeeeeenswwooosh!".

Thats the retarder system. I beleive its an Allison World Transmission that they use in the AG300.

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 13):
Van Hool for the same reason JAGflyer stated, the accordion buses that VIVA uses, I'm not much of a bus guy myself, but I do love those buses!

They're called "Artics" or articulated buses.


Mark



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User currently offlineJetstar From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1616 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11631 times:
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On the articulated buses, I have noticed that the engine is in the rear or trailer section, but which section has the drive wheels.

Also last month I was in Las Vegas and they are using double decker buses for the Las Vegas Blvd. Run, they call this run the “Deuce”. I don’t know the manufacturer of the buses because almost all of them are covered entirely with the overlay type ads.


User currently offlineEmiratesA345 From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 2121 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 11626 times:

Quoting Jetstar (Reply 19):
On the articulated buses, I have noticed that the engine is in the rear or trailer section, but which section has the drive wheels.

Its not always in the rear. On a New Flyer D60LF, yes, it is in the rear. On the VanHool AG300 the engine is located on the driver side, in the middle of the first section. On this particular bus, the drive wheels are the set of duals in the front section. This type of configuration is called a "Puller" as it pulls the trailer.

I'm not sure of any late models, but older model buses used to be configured with the trailer wheel acting as the drive wheels. This is called a "Pusher" as the trailer pushes the whole bus along. As with a rear wheel drive vehicle, they're not very good in the snow. There are pictures of artics in Ottawa bent in the middle and not able to move because of the snow. I could be wrong, but I think their current D60LFs are pushers.

Quoting Jetstar (Reply 19):
Also last month I was in Las Vegas and they are using double decker buses for the Las Vegas Blvd. Run, they call this run the “Deuce”. I don’t know the manufacturer of the buses because almost all of them are covered entirely with the overlay type ads.

I think those would be the Alexander Dennis Enviro 500. It looks like this:

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User currently offlineCcrlR From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2223 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 11616 times:
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Quoting EmiratesA345 (Reply 20):
Quoting Jetstar (Reply 19):
Also last month I was in Las Vegas and they are using double decker buses for the Las Vegas Blvd. Run, they call this run the “Deuce”. I don’t know the manufacturer of the buses because almost all of them are covered entirely with the overlay type ads.

I think those would be the Alexander Dennis Enviro 500. It looks like this:

Is the Citizens Area Transit using these or another company there?



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User currently offlineJetstar From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1616 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 11615 times:
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Quoting EmiratesA345 (Reply 20):
I'm not sure of any late models, but older model buses used to be configured with the trailer wheel acting as the drive wheels. This is called a "Pusher" as the trailer pushes the whole bus along. As with a rear wheel drive vehicle, they're not very good in the snow. There are pictures of artics in Ottawa bent in the middle and not able to move because of the snow. I could be wrong, but I think their current D60LFs are pushers.

I would think this is a very poor design, especially for bus operators in the northern climate areas. I know the New York City operates a lot of the articulated buses and I could imagine the problems they have with jackknifing in slippery conditions, especially in tight turns.

I will be in Las Vegas in late February on business and I hope to ride the deuce double decker bus. I can imagine the view from the upper front seats would be great, considering that you don’t have to pay attention to traffic like when driving a car on the strip.

I always liked all forms of transportation, airplanes, trains, buses and ships. In the early 1960’s my parents and myself went to Los Angles to visit relatives. While my parents flew out on American from New York, I decided to take a Continental Trailways Silver Eagle bus to LA and back. I got to see America from the ground and met interesting people. Only 3 other passengers stayed on the bus for the entire trip going out and I was the only one on the return trip who went the entire distance. It took 3 and a half days each way and over 40 years later it still brings back memories.

My next ground travel adventure is to take Amtrak’s Auto Train to Florida in early April so I will be able to experience long distance train travel.


User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3301 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 11605 times:

Quoting Jetstar (Reply 22):
I always liked all forms of transportation, airplanes, trains, buses and ships.

I am the same way. If it move people and has a motor, it is a good chance that I will like it!:D


User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 11600 times:

Quoting Jetstar (Reply 19):
"Deuce".

They cost $650k a piece. RTC (Regional Transportation Commission of Southern Nevada) placed an original order of 35. They entered revenue service in November 2005.

The LV Strip is one of the few public transit routes in the country that makes money - and lots of $$$ it does. (transit routes rely on public funds) Fares are $2 o/w, $5/24hrs --- multiply that by the reported ridership figure exceeding five digits daily (significantly higher during large conventions and uber busy periods like Super Bowl Weekend).

Quoting EmiratesA345 (Reply 20):
I think those would be the Alexander Dennis

Alexander Dennis it is.

Quoting EmiratesA345 (Reply 20):
Enviro 500.

So thats the Model name - Enviro 500? Don't see anything "enviro" about a fossil fuel powered vehicle.

BTW, Mark, do you know where those specific buses were manufactured? It'd be one heck of a sight to see them migrated (as in going down a rural highway)

[Edited 2007-01-07 05:53:37]

25 JAGflyer : So thats what that big "block" on the driver side of the AG300 is for. I thought it was a storage compartment or something. Its directly opposite the
26 EmiratesA345 : Alexander Dennis buses are manufactued in Scotland. For those in Canada who are interested, GO Transit who operate in the GTA (Greater Toronto Area)
27 Jetstar : I believe CAT is operating the Duece on the Las Vegas Strip, I didn’t see any other markings on the buses, Previously to the double decker buses on
28 EmiratesA345 : A standard New Flyer D60LF (Articulated) carries up to 120 passengers, with a little over half of them seated. An Alexander Dennis Enviro 500 (Double
29 MIAspotter : Yeah but the monorail costs $5 for a single journey! whereas The Deuce costs $2 or $5 for a day pass. And like they said before the location of the m
30 BigOrange : Van Hool gets my vote. I traveled on various trips in Europe on them. I hate the MCI buses, and have never been on a Prevost or a Setra. EOS buses are
31 Scorpio : Eos Coach is a 100% Van Hool subsidiary. The company started out as LAG, small Belgian manufacturer, until they were taken over by Van Hool in the la
32 FlyingTexan : So it would've been a hell of migration. If final Assembly was in Scotland, they must have been loaded and unloaded, then driven to LAS. Wonder if th
33 CcrlR : I remember riding on those. They were nice and I liked the three door design but were too long for some routes(they only used them on the 301 and 302
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