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The Gerald R. Ford State Funeral, Washington, D.C.  
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1756 times:

All major news networks are covering the State Funeral of President Gerald R. Ford, which is commencing with the Andrews Air Force Base Arrival Ceremony. The Vice President and many other high-ranking government officials along with a ceremonial honor guard are standing at attention as the casket containing the body of President Ford is being transported from the aircraft referred to as Air Force Special Air Mission 29000 to the hearse it will take to Washington, D.C.

The occasion is a most solemn one.

It is a day for remembrance.

Speaking personally, I feel a great degree of sadness that one of America's leading personages has left us. I am certain I am not alone.

[Edited 2006-12-30 23:45:28]

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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1739 times:

A 21-gun salute is continuing as "Hail to the Chief" has just concluded.

Mrs. Ford is in attendance, and now "My Country 'Tis of Thee", in a slow, dirge-like rhythm, is playing.

The casket is preceded by the United States flag as it is brought before the assembled audience toward its destination.


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1726 times:
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At the Capitol now, ready to ascend the steps to the House chamber.


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User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1725 times:

Anyone else find it extremely odd, if not completely disrespectful that our current President chose to remain at the Crawford Ranch rather than attend the State funeral of a former President?

User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1713 times:
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Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 4):
Anyone else find it extremely odd, if not completely disrespectful that our current President chose to remain at the Crawford Ranch rather than attend the State funeral of a former President?

The funeral is not until tuesday (?) and I'm sure Bush will be there along with Bush the first, Carter, and Clinton.

Having the sitting President participate in the ceremonies we are seeing tonight would only distract from the deceased and family IMHO.



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User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1705 times:

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 5):
Having the sitting President participate in the ceremonies we are seeing tonight would only distract from the deceased and family IMHO.

I am fairly certain President Bush attended former President Reagan's State Funeral which is why I found it odd he is not in attendance tonight.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1702 times:

This occasion is marked with quiet dignity and majesty. Such ceremonies are some of the few in all the world in which all in attendance appear at their best and, by paying their respects, garner respect for themselves.

Mrs. Ford and remaining members of the large and prosperous Ford family are witness to this solemn event.

Members of the top echelon of all our government branches are present, with the exception of President Bush, who will pay his respects early next week. The Vice President and President of the United States Senate, Mr. Richard Cheney; the Speaker of the House; the leaders of the incoming minority in Congress; the Chief and Associate Justices of the United States Supreme Court; and many other luminaries, are in observance.

Only the funeral of a former President could bring together such leaders of our nation.

It is reported that the military guard in service of the funeral includes some of the most highly decorated soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines to have returned from our recent wars. In their classic and flawless bearing, but even more in the record of their dedication of their lives to the United States, they bring honor to this nation and the President.

Our current President said it well during his radio speech today in praising President Ford. The ceremonies today at the Capitol, at the World War II Memorial, and elsewhere in our capital city, and throughout this weekend and New Year's Day, will set an appropriate tableau for President Bush when he gives his official address on the official national day of mourning this Tuesday.

We will always remember President Ford for his long lifetime of public service to our nation. I, personally, remember President Ford and will never forget the honor of meeting him.

God bless the late Mr. Ford and his family, and God bless America.

[Edited 2006-12-31 01:47:46]

User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1695 times:
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Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 6):
I am fairly certain President Bush attended former President Reagan's State Funeral which is why I found it odd he is not in attendance tonight.

Well, like I said in the previous post the funeral is not for a couple of days.

I think what would be odd is if any one of the current or living past Presidents were not in attendance at the funeral -- not likely that will happen.

Remember Ford is just lying in State at the moment.



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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1674 times:
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Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 6):
I am fairly certain President Bush attended former President Reagan's State Funeral which is why I found it odd he is not in attendance tonight.

It occurs to me that you might be referring to Bush Jr paying his respects to Reagan while Reagan was lying in State -- I recall that as well, and I'm sure Bush will do that sometime over the next couple of days.



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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1676 times:

A mourner^1 collapsed during the ceremony and has received assistance. The television networks were asked to respect the privacy of that mourner and live coverage for a time focused on the casket, attended by an honor guard.

Hundreds of members of official Washington remain at attention.

The ceremony now continues.
__________________________________________

1. The mourner is identified as William Broomfield, a former Congressman from Michigan. (Information on Mr. Broomfield:
http://www.answers.com/topic/william-broomfield.)

[Edited 2006-12-31 02:02:53]

User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1669 times:

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 8):
Well, like I said in the previous post the funeral is not for a couple of days.

I understand that but you also said that having the sitting President participate in the ceremonies we are seeing tonight would only distract from the deceased and family. My question is, why would Bush attend the State Funeral of former President Reagan but not the State Funeral of former President Ford?


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1656 times:
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Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 11):
I understand that but you also said that having the sitting President participate in the ceremonies we are seeing tonight would only distract from the deceased and family.

That's just my opinion.... Most of the people attending tonight appear to be friends, coworkers, and staff members from his administration

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 11):
My question is, why would Bush attend the State Funeral of former President Reagan but not the State Funeral of former President Ford?

.

Sorry -- I'm not understanding your question. I'm quite sure Bush Jr will attend the services on tuesday just as I'm sure he will pay his respects at the Capitol while Ford is lying in State.



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User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1648 times:

I have always had respect for President Ford; I remember well the entire era of turmoil and think he did a very professional-profile presentation while in office to help smooth over a distinct problematic time in this country.

Internally, however, I question a few things that are in the back of my now somewhat (but not totally) dead cells...

Number one: Why non-stop coverage of six (SIX) days for the funeral procedings an accidental, non-voted, "24-hour" president that could not on even his then-performance be elected when time came by.

And number two: Why are all these clowns, reps and dems, preaching to the nation that Gerald Ford was the greatest political thing since sliced bread and it's sad to see him go, when THEY are the very sons-of-bitches that not believe one damn thing they are saying, because if they did, the nation wouldn't be as screwed up as it is.

Cynicism, hypocrasy and yes, blasphemy. How dare these dolts.

RIP, Gerald Ford. You have my respects; but these assholes on TV extolling your virtues are are but flim-flam men.

Regards...jack



all best; jack
User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7118 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1633 times:

ItsJustme, this is not the state funeral. That will be next week, this service is just to place his body in repose at the capitol building.
I sure that Bush Sr and Jr will be in attendance at the state funeral next week, and yes, he did stop at the rotunda for Reagan before the state funeral, I'm certain he will do so when he arrives back in Washington next week.


User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1623 times:

Quoting Par13del (Reply 15):
ItsJustme, this is not the state funeral.

OK, then that is where I am confused. Each of the major news channels, CNN, MSNCB, ABC, etc... are all referring to tonight's proceedings as "The State Funeral" for former President Ford.


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1623 times:

All i'll say is...

Rest In Peace, you deserve it  Smile


Lee



Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1615 times:

Well I certainly respect the man, and what he accomplished. I respect our country, even...


But do we need a play by play of his funeral?


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1608 times:

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 16):
As did I. First it was Ted Stevens who, for a Senator, has to be one of the worst public speakers I've ever seen. And then it was Cheney's turn.

I thought that the Vice President's speech was an excellent one. Interestingly, so did a reporter and commentator for CBS News. I believe it was Bob Schieffer, during live coverage.
_________________________

Correction to one of my posts, above:

"the leaders of the incoming majority in Congress"

As corrected.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1609 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 19):
Well I certainly respect the man, and what he accomplished. I respect our country, even...

But do we need a play by play of his funeral?

I think that it's worthy of a commentary thread. After all, how often do we sing the praises of great men?

My personal belief is that the media are far too eager to bring down those of accomplishment; it is up to us, as ordinary people, to endorse examples of those we find have lived nearly exemplary lives. It is done, I think, all too rarely.

[Edited 2006-12-31 02:43:18]

User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1605 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 21):
I think that it's worthy of a commentary thread. After all, how often do we sing the praises of great men?

Well, like I said. I think you're goin a little over the top here. Show your respects by observing his service. But does the airliners.net community need a running comentary on a funeral? It just seems maybe a little disrespectful to me, honestly.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1596 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 22):
Well, like I said. I think you're goin a little over the top here. Show your respects by observing his service. But does the airliners.net community need a running comentary on a funeral? It just seems maybe a little disrespectful to me, honestly.

Although I strongly disagree, I will keep your comments in mind, S12PPL. Thank you.


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1589 times:

Was Ted Stevens drunk? Really pathetic, almost disrespectful to appear so unprepared.

Dick Cheney may be the best public speaker of recent years. I've thought so since Desert Storm. What a shame there is no integrity behind the ability.



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1585 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 21):
I think that it's worthy of a commentary thread.

I don't. If we were THAT interested we'd just watch the effing coverage ourselves.


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9328 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1638 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 21):
I think that it's worthy of a commentary thread. After all, how often do we sing the praises of great men?

When Clinton croaks, I fully expect a play by play.


In the mean time, James Brown's funeral was a lot more kickin'. I think it's the only funeral on television that I can remember that was greatly enhanced by subwoofers.



Eternal darkness we all should dread. It's hard to party when you're dead.
User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1633 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 25):
I don't. If we were THAT interested we'd just watch the effing coverage ourselves.

Well Ted, you chose not to watch the TV coverage - perhaps you should exercise that same right to choose with regard to this thread.


25 AerospaceFan : I wouldn't be averse to it. I might disagree with President Clinton on a wide variety of matters, but this doesn't lessen my respect for the fact tha
26 S12PPL : And the author could exercise the same right NOT to start a thread, with a play by play for a FUNERAL. Sorry, but that is flat out dis-respectful to
27 AerospaceFan : Well said, in my view. There are those who disagree with me whose advice I believe I should offer a modicum of respect, regardless of disagreement, a
28 AerospaceFan : In some ways, coverage of the funeral itself, and various commentary by the media, would be no less disrespectful. It depends, obviously, on what com
29 BN747 : 100% in total agreement! This coverage is completely wantonly over the top and beyond what's necessary.. given who it's for. It's now proven that the
30 AerospaceFan : While I've seen references to the allegation that President Ford believed himself to be President Nixon's only friend, I don't believe I've ever seen
31 BN747 : I heard all the same news broadcast about Ford posthumous comments..then came the 'my friend' revelations on ABC News (tonight)..I'm sure if you have
32 AerospaceFan : Sadly, I do not have that channel. I will, however, take another look at the relevant quotes if available online. The program, ABC News Now is also s
33 S12PPL : You completely didn't read a word I said, did you? I said there is NOTHING WRONG with showing respect for a dead President. However, treating it like
34 AerospaceFan : I understand now, but I also understood your comments before. Your comments were hardly ambiguous, but then, neither was my response -- any more than
35 MD-90 : Gee, I wonder if anyone will lament Ford's approval of Indonesia's 1975 invasion of East Timor. 200,000 people died with American support and weaponry
36 S12PPL : It's exactly what you're doing here. Where did I say that? Now you're putting words in my mouth. I'm not going to continue to argue with you. You obv
37 Cedarjet : You guys are funny - especially Mr Aerospace Fan and his footnotes. I agree with the good Captain (Krell) and BN747, the blow-by-blow commentary and e
38 AerospaceFan : Well, it says from your location icon that you're in Britain. In that regard, not all of us believe in the passion or the power that is Royal pageant
39 Itsjustme : Point taken but, given the topics of at least half the threads that show up here, a play-by-play of a funeral isn't that far out of the norm for this
40 AerospaceFan : Preferably the former, I might add.... Thank you for your kind words, by the way!
41 Aaron747 : Just saw the replay of it here in Japan...Ted Stevens gave the worst eulogy ever. I would be incredibly annoyed if a longtime colleague of my deceased
42 AerospaceFan : Agreed! Well, there, I couldn't agree at all. That's okay, Aaron747. Reasonable minds can disagree. Mr. Cheney does have his detractors....[Edited 20
43 Post contains images AsstChiefMark : The stammering fool's brain is a massive series of tangled, enormous tubes. It's hard for him to make any sense. Mark
44 Aaron747 : Unfortunate when a reasonable mind such as your own can't seem to find the reasons to do so.
45 MD-90 : I thought America wasn't supposed to have royalty?
46 Cedarjet : You would need a lot more Brits on a.net to find anyone who could care enough about any member of the Royal Family to even get a thread going on the
47 Halls120 : Since it was being broadcast on just about every channel, why the running commentary on Anet? Does AF think we can't watch it ourselves, and draw our
48 Post contains images AirCop : Agreed;
49 AirCop : Lets continue from my last post. AF what connection do you feel so strong to Gerald Ford? I've posted on other threads in the past month that he was m
50 AerospaceFan : 1. It is, in my view, not necessary for anyone to have actually experienced the events of anyone else's life to show appreciation for the way in whic
51 AerospaceFan : Your apology is gladly accepted. Happy New Year to you, as well.
52 KaiGywer : Well, the play by play is being done by the major networks anyways. No difference here. I doubt a loved one of AerospaceFan would get (inter)national
53 AeroWesty : Thread bumping is thread bumping is thread bumping. Reply #1 was a thread bump, and shouldn't be condoned.
54 AerospaceFan : If this rule were enforced, I think that there would be quite a number of actions taken. I think that an attempt, and a rather transparent one, is be
55 AeroWesty : Perhaps no one sent in a Suggest Delete, or the moderator who reviewed it did not agree. It's obvious that this thread violated the forum rules, and
56 AerospaceFan : That's fine, AeroWesty, and duly noted. Still, it's no reason that we can't try to get along, any more than this particular issue should continue to
57 AeroWesty : Who's not getting along? Was anything I said harsh or inappropriate in response to a crewmember's postings in this thread? If you believe so, please
58 KaiGywer : 19. Do not 'bump' threads back to the top to elicit a response. Where this occurs the thread will be deleted. Techically, I wouldn't call it a bump.
59 AeroWesty : If you want to continue to discuss this aspect of it, by all means let's do. From the thread start: A case could be made that Reply #1 was to "elicit
60 KaiGywer : No, I feel no need to discuss this any further. I posted my opinion, you got hung up in the fact that I have a red tag by my name. I posted this as m
61 AeroWesty : "Hung up" is both harsh and presumptive. Having a red tag by your name implies you know the rules, and if what you post seems out of line with the ru
62 Post contains images Halls120 : It's nice to know I still get under your skin, AF. Even with a non-confrontational critique of your post, you just can't resist trying to take a swin
63 Post contains images Halls120 : what, no running commentary on the funeral being held at the National Cathedral? How AM I supposed to be able judge the majesty of the event without A
64 Dtwclipper : I noticed, all of the living first ladies at the funeral except for Lady Bird Johnson (Claudia Alta Taylor Johnson), who at 95 years old must be too i
65 AeroWesty : LOL, I don't think anyone could keep up with how fast Bush 41 is running through his eulogy. Dang, slow down, man!
66 Luv2fly : Maybe they are all out in CA sitting with Arnold! Or since Ford was a Republican and Kennedy's are Democrats might be the reason.
67 Dtwclipper : I understand that, but Ford, Johnson & Kennedy all met in the congress, and new each other well. As these events transcend party affiliation, I would
68 AeroWesty : While I wasn't the author of what you quoted, I thought I saw Caroline in the audience, but could be mistaken. I was glad to hear that Carter will be
69 Dtwclipper : It's my understanding that Carter will not speak today in DC, but will be making his remarks in Grand Rapids on Wednesday. Though I could be wrong...
70 Itsjustme : So far, the theme of the eulogies seems to be, Gerald R. Ford was an honest man who was true to his word. Not a bad way to be remembered.
71 AeroWesty : You could be right. I caught a short clip in the pre-funeral coverage this morning that only said that Carter and Ford had an agreement that whomever
72 Luv2fly : Carter is scheduled to speak in GRR.
73 Halls120 : Here's my comment - WTF was James Baker doing wearing a beige overcoat? EVERYONE else who was an honorary pallbearer had the common sense to wear a d
74 Post contains links Dtwclipper : Details on the Wednesday services in Grand Rapids http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...icle?AID=/20070102/NEWS99/70102018 Eulogies Donald Rumsfeld,
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