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On Whose Graves Will You Dance?  
User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8706 posts, RR: 43
Posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1843 times:

The question is obvious, and addresses avid supporters of the death penalty. Now that we can all read how much rejoice and happiness the killing of Saddam Hussein has sparked, I was asking myself who else was on the internet "tough guy" elite's shit list.

So: If you had the opportunity, whose graves would you dance on after putting on clean trousers?


Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
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User currently offlineThomson735 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1828 times:

hmm Osama? i woudlnt piss on him if he was on fire, in fact i would piss my self laughing at him

User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1809 times:

OBL is #1 with a bullet, or two or three or four....THOUSAND.

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1804 times:

None, no matter how big an asshole the person might have been, "dancing on someone's grave" just doesn't ring as respectful or decent. Whether that be respect for the dead or self-respect, either/or.

User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1801 times:

None.

I'd be honored if I could bring an end to some lives out there but I would feel no celebration in order.

As someone said when the Lincoln conspirators were executed: "We want to know their names no more."

I wish that people could get that today.



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineOverlander From Ireland, joined Aug 2005, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1769 times:

Although some people may find pleasure 'kicking a man when he is down', for myself it is not the done thing.

To paraphrase a bit from Rudyard Kipling -

If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same

Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And--which is more--you'll be a Man, my son!



It is better to travel hopefully.............but, always be prepared for the worst!
User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1722 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
None, no matter how big an asshole the person might have been, "dancing on someone's grave" just doesn't ring as respectful or decent. Whether that be respect for the dead or self-respect, either/or.

hmmm I agree on this one too. Though I will restate, you totally lost it this once today (or was it yesterday?).
Is this post about to be deleted too?


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1718 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
None, no matter how big an asshole the person might have been, "dancing on someone's grave" just doesn't ring as respectful or decent.

Quite agreed; once they are dead who cares..

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 4):
"We want to know their names no more."

Just move on, no reason to dwell in the past.  eyebrow 


User currently offlineDuff44 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1711 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
None, no matter how big an asshole the person might have been, "dancing on someone's grave" just doesn't ring as respectful or decent. Whether that be respect for the dead or self-respect, either/or.

I'm with ANC on this one...

Someone else's death is something nobody should take pride in, for one day you might be the one being danced on.



I'll rassle ya for a bowl of bacon!
User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1709 times:

Dancing around Saddam's dead body only shows some cultures have progressed little.

Also, it's not hard to imagine those people who were rejoicing/dancing had no class.


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1696 times:

Quoting Aloges (Thread starter):
The question is obvious, and addresses avid supporters of the death penalty.

Your question is flawed. You are asking who would be disrepfectful, juvenile, and downright uneducated but it has nothing to do with the death penalty. Just because someone supports the death penalty doesn't mean they are disrespectful of others though I'm sure you'll make that leap of judgement.

Quoting Aloges (Thread starter):
Now that we can all read how much rejoice and happiness the killing of Saddam Hussein has sparked

I suppose you're saddened by it? Are you saddened because you don't support the death penalty or you think he wasn't evil incarnate?

Am I glad to see him gone? Yes.
Am I rejoicing and dancing a jig? No
Are some Iraqis joyful and dancing with glee? Of course but who could blame them.

You and I have lived relatively peaceful lives and never had to undergo the torture of his regime. You and I could never understand what happened to people there despite whatever we read or see. Therefore you and I can never understand the true feelings of the Iraqi people at this time or understand their reaction to the news. You make a mockery of their lives under his dictatorship with your questioning of their rejoicing.



"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
User currently offlineRobertNL070 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 4532 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1644 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 2):
or two or three or four....THOUSAND

Surely one or two are enough. Why waste good ammunition?

Robert  bouncy 



Youth is a gift of nature. Age is a work of art.
User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24928 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1643 times:

EWS
Signed, people who have been victims of his photoshopping...
 duck 



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1627 times:

See if Aloges asked me the question personally, then I would just list people I wanted to see dead. I wouldn't actually goes as far as to think of what song to play whilst I hypothetically danced on the grave.

It's obvious most don't understand the true question. Down off your high horses all.



One Life, Live it.
User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days ago) and read 1618 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
None, no matter how big an asshole the person might have been, "dancing on someone's grave" just doesn't ring as respectful or decent. Whether that be respect for the dead or self-respect, either/or.

Gee, ANC, what's wrong with you? Did you have ... last night? I actually find myself agreeing with you.


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8706 posts, RR: 43
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1587 times:

Thanks for the replies, good to read them in contrast to them "Saddam Is Dead Let's Celebrate!)" threads.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10):
Just because someone supports the death penalty doesn't mean they are disrespectful of others though I'm sure you'll make that leap of judgement.

You're sure? Well, you are mistaken. If you're an avid supporter of the death penalty but despise dancing on graves, you're welcome to say it as you did. But on the other hand, how many opponents of the death penalty do you notice dancing?  Wink

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10):
I suppose you're saddened by it?

That's putting it mildly. I was pissed off by the lack of respect for basic human rights when I started this thread. We have discussed this over and over in this forum, and I wanted a bit of reassurance there's some people in here who agree that every human should get a minimum of respect after his death.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10):
Are you saddened because you don't support the death penalty

That's the one.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10):
or you think he wasn't evil incarnate?

Saddam and his ilk are my definition of evil. The world's peoples need to be protected from brutes who enjoy themselves torturing and killing others.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10):
You make a mockery of their lives under his dictatorship with your questioning of their rejoicing.

That's some logic that I don't quite agree with. But I guess your opinion is that once you've been the victim of inhumane crimes, you have the right to resort to the same as a form of vengeance?
_____

What I have a problem with is civilised people turning into savages. I can find myself almost agreeing with the death penalty in some extreme cases, but I'm still alarmed by the venomous hatred spewn by some. Not because of who it's spewn at, but by the mindsets that allow for the hatred in the first place. It doesn't take much to turn a hate-filled man into a murdering idiot.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1579 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 15):
Saddam and his ilk are my definition of evil. The world's peoples need to be protected from brutes who enjoy themselves torturing and killing others.

Both true. However, I draw attention to the errors associated with assuming that the likes of Saddam, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, Idi Amin and many others are exceptional cases. All the evidence suggests that they are all too common, and unexceptional. This holds a major lesson that is largely being ignored.


User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1561 times:

Quoting Aloges (Thread starter):
The question is obvious, and addresses avid supporters of the death penalty. Now that we can all read how much rejoice and happiness the killing of Saddam Hussein has sparked, I was asking myself who else was on the internet "tough guy" elite's shit list.

I am as big a supporter of the death penalty as you'll find anywhere and your assertion makes me sick. There is no correlation between support of the death penalty as such and the wish that a particular person would be put to death to fulfull someone's satisfaction at seeing them dead.

The death penalty is a stark and somber punishment. You are trying to make it appear to be something trivial and insignificant by using an example totally out of context.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 9):
Dancing around Saddam's dead body only shows some cultures have progressed little.

Also, it's not hard to imagine those people who were rejoicing/dancing had no class.

Very good post, right to the point and completely accurate.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1554 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 15):
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10):
Just because someone supports the death penalty doesn't mean they are disrespectful of others though I'm sure you'll make that leap of judgement.

You're sure? Well, you are mistaken.

Hmm, I take exception to that. I am, as you know, a death penalty supporter. That doesn't not mean I am disrespectful of others - in life or in death.

Just because I support the death penalty, doesn't mean I'm going to run out to the grave of the latest person so disposed of and do the hoochie-coochie on their headstone. THAT is disrespectful - both to the dead person and to myself.

Quoting Aloges (Reply 15):
I was pissed off by the lack of respect for basic human rights when I started this thread.

I see you point - but I think you mistook the fact people were glad Saddam's finally met his maker (whomever that might be), with their lack of respect for human rights. Clearly an oversight on your part.

Looking at this info:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 16):
. However, I draw attention to the errors associated with assuming that the likes of Saddam, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, Idi Amin and many others are exceptional cases.

It would not sadden me, upset me, nor cause me grief to see any or all of these scum bags executed - harshly - but that does NOT mean I disrespect human rights. These scum have summarily forfeited their rights as a human based on their treatment of thousands of victims.


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8706 posts, RR: 43
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1544 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10):
Just because someone supports the death penalty doesn't mean they are disrespectful of others though I'm sure you'll make that leap of judgement.

Having read this another time, I'm not quite sure I got you right on the first. Did you mean "you'll surely agree that supporters of the DP don't necessarily disrespect others"? I read it as "you'll certainly claim they do" at first, so what you actually meant to say was probably lost in translation.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1537 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 19):
Having read this another time, I'm not quite sure I got you right on the first. Did you mean "you'll surely agree that supporters of the DP don't necessarily disrespect others"? I read it as "you'll certainly claim they do" at first, so what you actually meant to say was probably lost in translation.

Hmm, perhaps we need to pass this over to the grammar thread. I can see what both of you thought it meant. This probably suggests that the sentence structure could be improved.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1516 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
None, no matter how big an asshole the person might have been, "dancing on someone's grave" just doesn't ring as respectful or decent. Whether that be respect for the dead or self-respect, either/or.



Quoting SlamClick (Reply 4):
None.

I'd be honored if I could bring an end to some lives out there but I would feel no celebration in order.

As someone said when the Lincoln conspirators were executed: "We want to know their names no more."

I wish that people could get that today.

Well said by both.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1500 times:

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 9):
people who were rejoicing/dancing had no class.

THIS here is from the WEBsite of "Fox" : """ the hanging of Saddam Hussein � an execution the president called a milestone on Iraq's road to democracy ""
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AND that in my view IS "rejoicing" !
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Quoting Queso (Reply 17):
who were rejoicing/dancing had no class.
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Very good post, right to the point and completely accurate.

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sure! accurately describing the president of the USA
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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1490 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 19):
Having read this another time, I'm not quite sure I got you right on the first. Did you mean "you'll surely agree that supporters of the DP don't necessarily disrespect others"? I read it as "you'll certainly claim they do" at first, so what you actually meant to say was probably lost in translation.

My grammar was probably lacking in that sentence. ANCFlyer puts it into better English than I was capable of doing with his response I've quoted below.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
I see you point - but I think you mistook the fact people were glad Saddam's finally met his maker (whomever that might be), with their lack of respect for human rights. Clearly an oversight on your part.



Quoting Aloges (Reply 15):
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10):
You make a mockery of their lives under his dictatorship with your questioning of their rejoicing.

That's some logic that I don't quite agree with. But I guess your opinion is that once you've been the victim of inhumane crimes, you have the right to resort to the same as a form of vengeance?

My opinion is that now that Saddam is dead and there is no chance of return (however slim it was it still existed) the Iraqis that were persecuted under his dictatorship can rejoice and try to get some of their lives back knowing he will not be able to commit any more crimes. Again, you and I are not in their shoes and have had family members murdered by him so we'll never understand.

I think that if someone close to me was murdered I would do everything in my power and within the law to see them executed. Call it barbaric, call it vengeful, call it whatever the Hell you want but I'll call it just punishment for their crimes.



"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1490 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 22):
sure! accurately describing the president of the USA

Were you trying to make some kind of point? Until you can supply some kind of proof that he was dancing and rejoicing, you are reading something into the situation that is NOT there.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 22):
an execution the president called a milestone on Iraq's road to democracy ""

A milestone, a marker, a piece of history.....

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 22):
AND that in my view IS "rejoicing" !

It is quite fortunate that your view of "rejoicing" is the exception.


25 RJ111 : I wouldn't dance on anyone's grave. That's very low if you ask me.
26 ME AVN FAN : I never said he was dancing, but that he IS rejoicing is hearable and visible on the media. The way he spoke about that "milestone on the road to dem
27 AirframeAS : You're kidding, me..........................right??
28 Express1 : why have a court case in the first place,everyone knew it was him,so why didn't;t anyone shoot the shit while he was down that hole he was hiding in!
29 DeltaGator : Because we are above that and wanted to present him for a trial. We all knew the outcome of the trial before it started but it proves that we are not
30 Kmh1956 : Not a soul's. No matter how much of a bastard someone was in life, that ground they are buried in is sanctified. I would never dance on someone's gra
31 Aloges : I wish I was. Read through "Saddam Is Dead" parts one and two to understand why I'm asking.
32 Post contains images AirframeAS : Forgive me for saying.....but yer sick!
33 Tbar220 : Aren't human rights universal? Aren't they granted to anybody who is born? A human being in the flesh recieves the same rights as anybody else, crimi
34 Turbo7x7 : Well, as long as you can accept an enemy of yours dancing on YOUR OWN GRAVE, then I guess it's okay to imagine doing the same to someone you hate.
35 Post contains images N229NW : I would like to invite you all to dance on my grave when I die (one day in the very distant future I certainly hope.) Have a big party and enjoy yours
36 Post contains images Baroque : Of course you are 100% correct. The interesting thing is why some continue to assert that some have forfeited human rights. Is it a lack of being abl
37 Aloges : You didn't get the point at all, did you? That's what I mean.
38 Rammstein : Fred Phelps. Filler Filler Filler.
39 Post contains images Cedars747 : Good answear ANCFlyer,know you sound like a Moderator Alex!!
40 L-188 : I take it then you never participated in the pee on Soapy Smith's grave tradition?
41 ANCFlyer : I'll get a two-fer here with Baroque and TBar. Yes, TBar, everyone is born with basic Human Rights. No question. Saddam was as well. He then proceede
42 767Lover : I would NOT dance on their graves, but here are a few worthless pieces of crap that are using up valuable oxygen in our prison system: Russell Henders
43 MIAMIx707 : You are trying to excuse a barbaric custom, and you don't succeed because, with all due respect, your argument is lame. The only thing that does is e
44 ME AVN FAN : - to put it simply, such things are NOT "customs" . - And what I found bad was how triumphant GWB is about this execution. An execution is a punishme
45 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : ME AV, I also agree it's debatable whether it's a "milestone" or not, but either way it's historically significant. The important thing is that 4 year
46 ME AVN FAN : - a strange question, as not even that bunch of executioners would VIRTUALLY do so. And in case of an Arab country, it was clear that he WAS TO GET a
47 DAL767400ER : Only one person, namely that bAstard who screwed my family's business out of €150.000 and as such has made our life hell since then. And to be hones
48 HKA : I don't know if I would trust your media, they can show whatever they want to prove a point. Maybe the clip of rejoicing was from something else and
49 ME AVN FAN : - A) WHO danced around Saddam's dead body ? I have seen the video, but NOTHING like this B) almost nobody was rejoicing/dancing . There was ONE scene
50 MIAMIx707 : Of course not, we're talking about whoever did it around Saddam. Obviously thats not 99% of all Muslims. The media could be biased, but sounds like y
51 ME AVN FAN : I did NOT say that "nobody" celebrated, I said that ALMOST nobody did so. There of course WERE such people in evidence. And I did NOT wait, but simpl
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