Aloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8357 posts, RR: 47 Posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1500 times:
The question is obvious, and addresses avid supporters of the death penalty. Now that we can all read how much rejoice and happiness the killing of Saddam Hussein has sparked, I was asking myself who else was on the internet "tough guy" elite's shit list.
So: If you had the opportunity, whose graves would you dance on after putting on clean trousers?
Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
ANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1461 times:
None, no matter how big an asshole the person might have been, "dancing on someone's grave" just doesn't ring as respectful or decent. Whether that be respect for the dead or self-respect, either/or.
SlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 71 Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1458 times:
None.
I'd be honored if I could bring an end to some lives out there but I would feel no celebration in order.
As someone said when the Lincoln conspirators were executed: "We want to know their names no more."
I wish that people could get that today.
Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
Bravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 12 Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1379 times:
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3): None, no matter how big an asshole the person might have been, "dancing on someone's grave" just doesn't ring as respectful or decent. Whether that be respect for the dead or self-respect, either/or.
hmmm I agree on this one too. Though I will restate, you totally lost it this once today (or was it yesterday?).
Is this post about to be deleted too?
AirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1375 times:
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3): None, no matter how big an asshole the person might have been, "dancing on someone's grave" just doesn't ring as respectful or decent.
Quite agreed; once they are dead who cares..
Quoting SlamClick (Reply 4): "We want to know their names no more."
Duff44 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1723 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1368 times:
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3): None, no matter how big an asshole the person might have been, "dancing on someone's grave" just doesn't ring as respectful or decent. Whether that be respect for the dead or self-respect, either/or.
I'm with ANC on this one...
Someone else's death is something nobody should take pride in, for one day you might be the one being danced on.
DeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 16 Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1353 times:
Quoting Aloges (Thread starter): The question is obvious, and addresses avid supporters of the death penalty.
Your question is flawed. You are asking who would be disrepfectful, juvenile, and downright uneducated but it has nothing to do with the death penalty. Just because someone supports the death penalty doesn't mean they are disrespectful of others though I'm sure you'll make that leap of judgement.
Quoting Aloges (Thread starter): Now that we can all read how much rejoice and happiness the killing of Saddam Hussein has sparked
I suppose you're saddened by it? Are you saddened because you don't support the death penalty or you think he wasn't evil incarnate?
Am I glad to see him gone? Yes.
Am I rejoicing and dancing a jig? No
Are some Iraqis joyful and dancing with glee? Of course but who could blame them.
You and I have lived relatively peaceful lives and never had to undergo the torture of his regime. You and I could never understand what happened to people there despite whatever we read or see. Therefore you and I can never understand the true feelings of the Iraqi people at this time or understand their reaction to the news. You make a mockery of their lives under his dictatorship with your questioning of their rejoicing.
"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
Myt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 74 Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1284 times:
See if Aloges asked me the question personally, then I would just list people I wanted to see dead. I wouldn't actually goes as far as to think of what song to play whilst I hypothetically danced on the grave.
It's obvious most don't understand the true question. Down off your high horses all.
Thorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1275 times:
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3): None, no matter how big an asshole the person might have been, "dancing on someone's grave" just doesn't ring as respectful or decent. Whether that be respect for the dead or self-respect, either/or.
Gee, ANC, what's wrong with you? Did you have ... last night? I actually find myself agreeing with you.
Aloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8357 posts, RR: 47 Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1244 times:
Thanks for the replies, good to read them in contrast to them "Saddam Is Dead Let's Celebrate!)" threads.
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10): Just because someone supports the death penalty doesn't mean they are disrespectful of others though I'm sure you'll make that leap of judgement.
You're sure? Well, you are mistaken. If you're an avid supporter of the death penalty but despise dancing on graves, you're welcome to say it as you did. But on the other hand, how many opponents of the death penalty do you notice dancing?
That's putting it mildly. I was pissed off by the lack of respect for basic human rights when I started this thread. We have discussed this over and over in this forum, and I wanted a bit of reassurance there's some people in here who agree that every human should get a minimum of respect after his death.
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10): Are you saddened because you don't support the death penalty
Saddam and his ilk are my definition of evil. The world's peoples need to be protected from brutes who enjoy themselves torturing and killing others.
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10): You make a mockery of their lives under his dictatorship with your questioning of their rejoicing.
That's some logic that I don't quite agree with. But I guess your opinion is that once you've been the victim of inhumane crimes, you have the right to resort to the same as a form of vengeance?
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What I have a problem with is civilised people turning into savages. I can find myself almost agreeing with the death penalty in some extreme cases, but I'm still alarmed by the venomous hatred spewn by some. Not because of who it's spewn at, but by the mindsets that allow for the hatred in the first place. It doesn't take much to turn a hate-filled man into a murdering idiot.
Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
Baroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 60 Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1236 times:
Quoting Aloges (Reply 15): Saddam and his ilk are my definition of evil. The world's peoples need to be protected from brutes who enjoy themselves torturing and killing others.
Both true. However, I draw attention to the errors associated with assuming that the likes of Saddam, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, Idi Amin and many others are exceptional cases. All the evidence suggests that they are all too common, and unexceptional. This holds a major lesson that is largely being ignored.
Queso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1218 times:
Quoting Aloges (Thread starter): The question is obvious, and addresses avid supporters of the death penalty. Now that we can all read how much rejoice and happiness the killing of Saddam Hussein has sparked, I was asking myself who else was on the internet "tough guy" elite's shit list.
I am as big a supporter of the death penalty as you'll find anywhere and your assertion makes me sick. There is no correlation between support of the death penalty as such and the wish that a particular person would be put to death to fulfull someone's satisfaction at seeing them dead.
The death penalty is a stark and somber punishment. You are trying to make it appear to be something trivial and insignificant by using an example totally out of context.
Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 9): Dancing around Saddam's dead body only shows some cultures have progressed little.
Also, it's not hard to imagine those people who were rejoicing/dancing had no class.
Very good post, right to the point and completely accurate.
ANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1211 times:
Quoting Aloges (Reply 15): Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10):
Just because someone supports the death penalty doesn't mean they are disrespectful of others though I'm sure you'll make that leap of judgement.
You're sure? Well, you are mistaken.
Hmm, I take exception to that. I am, as you know, a death penalty supporter. That doesn't not mean I am disrespectful of others - in life or in death.
Just because I support the death penalty, doesn't mean I'm going to run out to the grave of the latest person so disposed of and do the hoochie-coochie on their headstone. THAT is disrespectful - both to the dead person and to myself.
Quoting Aloges (Reply 15): I was pissed off by the lack of respect for basic human rights when I started this thread.
I see you point - but I think you mistook the fact people were glad Saddam's finally met his maker (whomever that might be), with their lack of respect for human rights. Clearly an oversight on your part.
Looking at this info:
Quoting Baroque (Reply 16): . However, I draw attention to the errors associated with assuming that the likes of Saddam, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, Idi Amin and many others are exceptional cases.
It would not sadden me, upset me, nor cause me grief to see any or all of these scum bags executed - harshly - but that does NOT mean I disrespect human rights. These scum have summarily forfeited their rights as a human based on their treatment of thousands of victims.
Aloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8357 posts, RR: 47 Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1201 times:
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10): Just because someone supports the death penalty doesn't mean they are disrespectful of others though I'm sure you'll make that leap of judgement.
Having read this another time, I'm not quite sure I got you right on the first. Did you mean "you'll surely agree that supporters of the DP don't necessarily disrespect others"? I read it as "you'll certainly claim they do" at first, so what you actually meant to say was probably lost in translation.
Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
Baroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 60 Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1194 times:
Quoting Aloges (Reply 19): Having read this another time, I'm not quite sure I got you right on the first. Did you mean "you'll surely agree that supporters of the DP don't necessarily disrespect others"? I read it as "you'll certainly claim they do" at first, so what you actually meant to say was probably lost in translation.
Hmm, perhaps we need to pass this over to the grammar thread. I can see what both of you thought it meant. This probably suggests that the sentence structure could be improved.
Halls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1173 times:
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3): None, no matter how big an asshole the person might have been, "dancing on someone's grave" just doesn't ring as respectful or decent. Whether that be respect for the dead or self-respect, either/or.
ME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13874 posts, RR: 28 Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1157 times:
Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 9): people who were rejoicing/dancing had no class.
THIS here is from the WEBsite of "Fox" : """ the hanging of Saddam Hussein � an execution the president called a milestone on Iraq's road to democracy ""
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AND that in my view IS "rejoicing" !
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Quoting Queso (Reply 17): who were rejoicing/dancing had no class.
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Very good post, right to the point and completely accurate.
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sure! accurately describing the president of the USA
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DeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 16 Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1147 times:
Quoting Aloges (Reply 19): Having read this another time, I'm not quite sure I got you right on the first. Did you mean "you'll surely agree that supporters of the DP don't necessarily disrespect others"? I read it as "you'll certainly claim they do" at first, so what you actually meant to say was probably lost in translation.
My grammar was probably lacking in that sentence. ANCFlyer puts it into better English than I was capable of doing with his response I've quoted below.
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18): I see you point - but I think you mistook the fact people were glad Saddam's finally met his maker (whomever that might be), with their lack of respect for human rights. Clearly an oversight on your part.
Quoting Aloges (Reply 15): Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10):
You make a mockery of their lives under his dictatorship with your questioning of their rejoicing.
That's some logic that I don't quite agree with. But I guess your opinion is that once you've been the victim of inhumane crimes, you have the right to resort to the same as a form of vengeance?
My opinion is that now that Saddam is dead and there is no chance of return (however slim it was it still existed) the Iraqis that were persecuted under his dictatorship can rejoice and try to get some of their lives back knowing he will not be able to commit any more crimes. Again, you and I are not in their shoes and have had family members murdered by him so we'll never understand.
I think that if someone close to me was murdered I would do everything in my power and within the law to see them executed. Call it barbaric, call it vengeful, call it whatever the Hell you want but I'll call it just punishment for their crimes.
"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
Queso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1147 times:
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 22): sure! accurately describing the president of the USA
Were you trying to make some kind of point? Until you can supply some kind of proof that he was dancing and rejoicing, you are reading something into the situation that is NOT there.
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 22): an execution the president called a milestone on Iraq's road to democracy ""
It is quite fortunate that your view of "rejoicing" is the exception.
25 RJ111: I wouldn't dance on anyone's grave. That's very low if you ask me.
26 ME AVN FAN: I never said he was dancing, but that he IS rejoicing is hearable and visible on the media. The way he spoke about that "milestone on the road to dem
28 Express1: why have a court case in the first place,everyone knew it was him,so why didn't;t anyone shoot the shit while he was down that hole he was hiding in!
29 DeltaGator: Because we are above that and wanted to present him for a trial. We all knew the outcome of the trial before it started but it proves that we are not
30 Kmh1956: Not a soul's. No matter how much of a bastard someone was in life, that ground they are buried in is sanctified. I would never dance on someone's gra
31 Aloges: I wish I was. Read through "Saddam Is Dead" parts one and two to understand why I'm asking.
32 AirframeAS: Forgive me for saying.....but yer sick!
33 Tbar220: Aren't human rights universal? Aren't they granted to anybody who is born? A human being in the flesh recieves the same rights as anybody else, crimi
34 Turbo7x7: Well, as long as you can accept an enemy of yours dancing on YOUR OWN GRAVE, then I guess it's okay to imagine doing the same to someone you hate.
35 N229NW: I would like to invite you all to dance on my grave when I die (one day in the very distant future I certainly hope.) Have a big party and enjoy yours
36 Baroque: Of course you are 100% correct. The interesting thing is why some continue to assert that some have forfeited human rights. Is it a lack of being abl
37 Aloges: You didn't get the point at all, did you? That's what I mean.
39 Cedars747: Good answear ANCFlyer,know you sound like a Moderator Alex!!
40 L-188: I take it then you never participated in the pee on Soapy Smith's grave tradition?
41 ANCFlyer: I'll get a two-fer here with Baroque and TBar. Yes, TBar, everyone is born with basic Human Rights. No question. Saddam was as well. He then proceede
42 767Lover: I would NOT dance on their graves, but here are a few worthless pieces of crap that are using up valuable oxygen in our prison system: Russell Henders
43 MIAMIx707: You are trying to excuse a barbaric custom, and you don't succeed because, with all due respect, your argument is lame. The only thing that does is e
44 ME AVN FAN: - to put it simply, such things are NOT "customs" . - And what I found bad was how triumphant GWB is about this execution. An execution is a punishme
45 MIAMIx707: ME AV, I also agree it's debatable whether it's a "milestone" or not, but either way it's historically significant. The important thing is that 4 year
46 ME AVN FAN: - a strange question, as not even that bunch of executioners would VIRTUALLY do so. And in case of an Arab country, it was clear that he WAS TO GET a
47 DAL767400ER: Only one person, namely that bAstard who screwed my family's business out of €150.000 and as such has made our life hell since then. And to be hones
48 HKA: I don't know if I would trust your media, they can show whatever they want to prove a point. Maybe the clip of rejoicing was from something else and
49 ME AVN FAN: - A) WHO danced around Saddam's dead body ? I have seen the video, but NOTHING like this B) almost nobody was rejoicing/dancing . There was ONE scene
50 MIAMIx707: Of course not, we're talking about whoever did it around Saddam. Obviously thats not 99% of all Muslims. The media could be biased, but sounds like y
51 ME AVN FAN: I did NOT say that "nobody" celebrated, I said that ALMOST nobody did so. There of course WERE such people in evidence. And I did NOT wait, but simpl
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