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User currently offlineBagpiper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1116 times:

Ok... so, I just got my very own linux server up and running (anybody want some free webspace??). But... now that its up, I decided to make some use out of it and make a web site.

I know about Dreamweaver and the new Microsoft replacement for FrontPage, but I don't exactly have a lot of money to shell out.

Does anybody know of any free (prefferably open-source? Web design seems to be the one thing the open-source community is lacking) design platform? I know about N|vu, and I have it, but I keep getting fed up with its bugs with tables and CSS. It makes it impossible to use at some times.

Thanks!

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User currently offlineTZ757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2869 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1108 times:

Well I got Dreamweaver MX 2004 for free....of course not the way that its supposed to be done.

If need be, ill send ya the whole file that contains the program.



LETS GO MOUNTAINEERS!
User currently offlineJeffSFO From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 838 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1095 times:

Take a look at Amaya; it's an open source software program available for free from the W3C:

http://www.w3.org/Amaya/

Alternatively, you can download a 30-day trial of Dreamweaver 8 from this page:

http://www.adobe.com/products/dreamweaver/


User currently offlineBagpiper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1093 times:

Quoting JeffSFO (Reply 2):

ah ok thanks!!

If the previous poster's idea doesn't work out, I'll just keep redownloading the 30-day trial... unless they're smart enough to disable that.

Thanks for Amaya, too... I forgot about it!


User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5162 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1079 times:

Quoting Bagpiper (Reply 3):
If the previous poster's idea doesn't work out, I'll just keep redownloading the 30-day trial... unless they're smart enough to disable that.

They are smart enough  Silly

If your gonna use a WYSIWYG editor, then dreamweaver is the way to go. Otherwise use notepad.



That'll teach you
User currently offlineJeffSFO From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 838 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1050 times:

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 4):
If your gonna use a WYSIWYG editor, then dreamweaver is the way to go. Otherwise use notepad.

Depending on what kind of site you're going to construct, DW 8 is great for code-based page building, css production and content management. Except for editing existing tabular data I rarely, if ever, use the WYSIWYG editor in DW.

For an easy to use code-based program, I recommend Textpad over Notepad.

Quoting Bagpiper (Reply 3):
Thanks for Amaya, too... I forgot about it!

If you end up trying that, let us know what you think. I've never used it myself.


User currently offlineSv2008 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1042 times:

This is open source, free ware:-

http://www.nvu.com/index.php

Not the best, but it's free....oh wait I already wrote that.


Any product where they have to tell you how to pronounce the name on the first page has gotta be good  Smile

[Edited 2007-01-03 20:01:25]

User currently offlineBagpiper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1031 times:

Quoting Sv2008 (Reply 6):
This is open source, free ware:-

http://www.nvu.com/index.php



Quoting Bagpiper (Thread starter):
I know about N|vu, and I have it, but I keep getting fed up with its bugs with tables and CSS. It makes it impossible to use at some times.

N|vu is ok, and probably I'll end up using it anyways if I can't get Dreamweaver. I can't figure out Amaya for the life of me, and there aren't any freaking tutorials online. Oh well.


User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1031 times:

Roll your sleeves up and code like a man - directly in HTML and CSS.

Been doing it for years, wouldnt ever use a program to do it for me.


User currently offlineSv2008 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1024 times:

I use Nvu to maintain a basic website, it's ok, I can imagine for more complex stuff it might not work well.

It needs professional design really, as it's just something I created in my free time and it looks it to be honest.


User currently offlinePLANAR From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1002 times:

Since you are using Linux, I would recommend you use:
KDE Quantas - its actually very good and very similar to Dreamweaver, plus its free!

Nopes Open Source community does not lack tools in web-designing! In fact there are a plethora of good tools out there - it just takes a keen eye to fish them out.

Not only that editors like Vim can auto-colour your source code and make it look good.

Most linux distributions natively come with Perl installed. Perl is one hell of a language - combine it with Apache (the webserver) and you have pretty nifty server running with which you can serve dynamic web-pages.

In addition almost all Linux distros come with PHP installed too - which is very easy to learn and can be seamlessly integrated in a webpage.

If you are serious about pursuing web-design - have a look at AJAX. Download a few tool-kits and you can have a professional looking original web-pages with minimal effort!



Flim-Flam Balderdash...
User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 999 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 8):
Roll your sleeves up and code like a man

I chuckle when people say that... Just because I use a WYSIWYG editor it makes me less of a "man" than someone using notepad... Thats alright, i'll get my webpage up and running in 1/10th the time, leaving me to be a "man" in other fields while you're still frustratingly attempt to get those darn images to line up correctly...!



Whoever said "laughter is the best medicine" never had Gonorrhea
User currently offlinePLANAR From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 994 times:

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 11):
I chuckle when people say that... Just because I use a WYSIWYG editor it makes me less of a "man" than someone using notepad... Thats alright, i'll get my webpage up and running in 1/10th the time, leaving me to be a "man" in other fields while you're still frustratingly attempt to get those darn images to line up correctly...!

 checkmark  Right-o.
The real "man" is someone who can use all the tools at his disposal to do the work in a fraction of the time it can be done in!

Reusability is an important paradigm of programming concepts.

But nevertheless - there are times, when you have to go down, roll-up your sleeves and get down to opening those files in something basic as notepad.

Especially with Microsoft's software, that always seem to produce a lot of unclean junk on top of the files! Makes me wonder why I was using the WYSIWYG tool by MS in the first place...
Oh right... Wink



Flim-Flam Balderdash...
User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 990 times:

Quoting PLANAR (Reply 12):
But nevertheless - there are times, when you have to go down, roll-up your sleeves and get down to opening those files in something basic as notepad.

Oh yeah, sorry i completely agree that Notepad has its uses, especially when i'm rushed and i know exactly what needs changing. Very useful for quickly looking at a file because DW takes a minute or two to start up and notepad is instant...



Whoever said "laughter is the best medicine" never had Gonorrhea
User currently offlineBagpiper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 979 times:

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 11):
I chuckle when people say that... Just because I use a WYSIWYG editor it makes me less of a "man" than someone using notepad... Thats alright, i'll get my webpage up and running in 1/10th the time, leaving me to be a "man" in other fields while you're still frustratingly attempt to get those darn images to line up correctly...!

Amen.

Quoting PLANAR (Reply 10):

I'll look into that KDE tool. I'm running KDE on Fedora 6, but that is on my server. My regular computer (this one) is XP Home. Although I'd love to change that, the other people who use this computer would be less than thrilled.

Since the server is off in its own corner running itself, I'd rather not mess with making web pages on it... but if absolutely neccessary, I will, since I won't be editing the web site every 3 days.



I'll have to look into AJAX. I am, of course, running Perl and PHP, with MySQL. I installed XAMPP, which is a complete server package, with Apache, Pure-FTPD, mysql, php, perl, python, and tons more.

I guess not setting everything up by hand, and using XAMPP makes me less of a man, too.

 Wink


User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 976 times:

Quoting Bagpiper (Reply 14):
I installed XAMPP,

Ditto...

Time saving tool on my Laptop & Windows PC...



Whoever said "laughter is the best medicine" never had Gonorrhea
User currently offlinePLANAR From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 974 times:

Quoting Bagpiper (Reply 14):
Since the server is off in its own corner running itself, I'd rather not mess with making web pages on it... but if absolutely neccessary, I will, since I won't be editing the web site every 3 days.

Looks to me that you are all set with the server!  Smile Actually, Linux is an excellent environment for coding and doing stuff.

You can safetly code on your linux server box, without any worry. Linux is designed to very ably multi-task.

I used to design web-pages for voting by the students of my engineering college and then used to deploy it on the Apache server and leave it running.
While then I used to use the same box, to fire up a good movie to watch, generally browsing and checking mails in the background at the same time, while the elections kept running through the web-server.

Peak hit rates were registered at around 300 in a span of about 15 minutes and yet Linux never flinched!

Quoting Bagpiper (Reply 14):
I guess not setting everything up by hand, and using XAMPP makes me less of a man, too.

As I said earlier - this actually makes you the real "man"!  Wink


Rgrds
PLA



Flim-Flam Balderdash...
User currently offlineBagpiper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 969 times:

Quoting PLANAR (Reply 16):

Yeah, the only problem is the box is in a remote closet... and dragging out the monitor and hooking up the keyboard can be a pain, especially since family doesn't like me "taking up tons of room with that desktop".

Oh well.

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 15):

You use Pure-FTPD, too? If so, I've got some problems with it right now.

It'll let me connect to the ftp server via my LAN, but if I try to connect (using the same user) from the internet to the ftp server, it wont work.

I'm stumped. So are a lot of Linux people on the forums...


User currently offlineHawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3195 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 965 times:

Quoting Bagpiper (Reply 17):
It'll let me connect to the ftp server via my LAN, but if I try to connect (using the same user) from the internet to the ftp server, it wont work.

I assume this is connected at your home via a home router? If so, the machine has a private IP address and you've set up port forwarding so that outside web sites can use the machine.

FTP is a rather odd protocol and the way it works leads to lots of problems with NAT. (Read http://www.ncftp.com/ncftpd/doc/misc/ftp_and_firewalls.html for a discussion). Plus, your password is sent unencrypted across the network, which is a Really Bad Thing if you're accessing from outside your local network. If I were you, I'd dump the FTP server and instead use SFTP, which is included with OpenSSH, to access the server. I usually use WinSCP as an SFTP client on Windows.


User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 952 times:

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 11):
I chuckle when people say that... Just because I use a WYSIWYG editor it makes me less of a "man" than someone using notepad... Thats alright, i'll get my webpage up and running in 1/10th the time, leaving me to be a "man" in other fields while you're still frustratingly attempt to get those darn images to line up correctly...!

If you are at all competant in HTML, it would take you the same or less time to lay out the page, in less code and have it validate better.

HTML and CSS are so easy to get to grips with, its no wonder people using WYSIWYG apps get looked down upon - your applications can never produce the standard of code I produce by hand.

There are many other benefits as well - I dont have to spend out on costly applications, I can sit down at any computer with a text editor and produce websites to an equal standard, I dont have to learn the nuances of a software package.

[Edited 2007-01-04 15:12:34]

User currently offlineBagpiper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 945 times:

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 18):

ok, that makes a little bit more sense.

Yes, I do have port forwarding on, for ports 20, 21, and 2020, just to be 100% sure. The server and client are both using port 21.

Obviously I have port 80 open, too, for the Apache server.

The error I'm getting when connecting to the FTP server is:


--------------
State:> Creating control socket...
State:> Connecting to 66.32.151.211 ...
State:> Socket connected, waiting for welcome message...
Reply:> 220---------- Welcome to Pure-FTPd [privsep] [TLS] ----------
220-You are user number 5 of 50 allowed.
220-Local time is now 10:12. Server port: 21.
220-IPv6 connections are also welcome on this server.
220 You will be disconnected after 15 minutes of inactivity.
Command:> user Jordan
Reply:> 331 User Jordan OK. Password required
Command:> pass *********
Reply:> 230-Your bandwidth usage is restricted
230-User Jordan has group access to: 31
230 OK. Current restricted directory is /
Command:> pwd
Reply:> 257 "/" is your current location
State:> Creating data socket...
Command:> pasv
Reply:> 227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,2,99,26,218)
Command:> list
State:> Data connection closed.
State:> Auto close data connection.
----------------

And if I try to connect via active:

----------------
State:> Creating control socket...
State:> Connecting to 66.32.151.211 ...
State:> Socket connected, waiting for welcome message...
Reply:> 220---------- Welcome to Pure-FTPd [privsep] [TLS] ----------
220-You are user number 7 of 50 allowed.
220-Local time is now 10:13. Server port: 21.
220-IPv6 connections are also welcome on this server.
220 You will be disconnected after 15 minutes of inactivity.
Command:> user Jordan
Reply:> 331 User Jordan OK. Password required
Command:> pass *********
Reply:> 230-Your bandwidth usage is restricted
230-User Jordan has group access to: 31
230 OK. Current restricted directory is /
Command:> pwd
Reply:> 257 "/" is your current location
Command:> port 192,168,2,2,5,169
Reply:> 500 I won't open a connection to 192.168.2.2 (only to 66.32.151.211)
State:> Force close data connection.
-----------------

Maybe I'll give SFTP a try....

[Edited 2007-01-04 16:17:48]

User currently offlineBagpiper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 935 times:

oh and also, I set the linux box into a DMZ (outside of firewall area) on my router... so it can't be the firewall thats messing things up.

User currently offlineEWS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 934 times:

Mr Piper..

Add me to MSN: ews@airliners.net and ill sort you out.

Lew


User currently offlineBagpiper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 920 times:

Quoting EWS (Reply 22):

 Wink

you rock


User currently offlineEWS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 915 times:

Quoting Bagpiper (Reply 23):
you rock



Lew


25 Post contains links JeffSFO : If you're competing against a WYSIWYG builder only, you have a point. But when using 'Code' view in Dreamweaver with templates and snippets, I can ru
26 Post contains images RichardPrice : I will agree with this, I have a ready bank of snippits to call upon when I need them - dont need a fancy editor to handle that for me My snippit lib
27 JeffSFO : I think we're both 'right' on this one, at least as far as Dreamweaver 8 goes. If I decided to sit down with an Adobe web template at work, I could u
28 Rolfen : Anyway if you need any help with linux let me know. There's a window alternative called EmEditor, I use it for working with PHP. The free version give
29 Bagpiper : I assume that was directed at me... I still can't get the ftp to work. I guess I'll probably reinstall linux, since I probably messed a lot of stuff
30 Rolfen : What distro do you use? I recommend ubuntu. or xubuntu for old hardware and to spare resources. Why dont you just reinstall FTP?
31 Burnsie28 : I have Studio 8 (Dreamweaver, Fireworks, etc) and it was like $399 if your a student. Thats worth a try.
32 Bagpiper : I'm running Fedora Core 6 right now... I'm actually thinking about Ubuntu. I've reinstalled the ftp program about 3 or 4 times, and tried every singl
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