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User currently offlineBoeinglover24 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 305 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1909 times:

ok so here's our situation

Four months ago my parents move out of their old house and decided to rent it out, yesterday morning the leasers moved out because we kicked them out owing us $2,500 dollars. Here's how it went down Saturday afternoon my mom told me to come down to come with them to the old house (her and my sister) a good hour's drive from my apartment, I dismissed it saying it was unnecessary and thinking what's the worse that can happen and I met the leasers thinking they're generally ok people pigs not thugs and I just said I'll see how the day goes (not planning on going at all). My dad the asshole that he is thinks he got better things to do than try and you know make my mom feel secure decided he got better things to do 'angrily'. Ok, so that night I got a call from my sister crying telling me how it went. Apparently they met them at the parking lot (the leasers) so my mom got off and talk to the head bitch (the whore who pays the rent) and gave her the keys to the house (not sure if it was all of them). Ok so when my mom asked for the rent she goes she didn't have it and she'll sign whatever. This has been going on for a couple of months and tired of it my mom kinda raised her voice my sister told her to calm down, then her idiot son popped out and started cussing at them (english is not the first language for both of them so this probably was a one sided affair). This exchange went on for a minute or two and they began to drive away saying meet her lawyer (she can't even afford her rent much more a lawyer that bitch crack me up). My sister kinda frustrated kinda hit the car with her purse (no damage to the car), they stopped and the gay ass sissy son got off and threatened to hurt them. When he got closse my mom reached for her cell and yelled out he's calling 911 he walked back toward his car. So after I heard this we (my sister's bf and I) was about to borrow a gun and stop at walmart for some lighter fluid, fortunately we calmed down when we reached the house. and someone say we can go about this legally...

And ah the following day we went to the house and it was a complete mess, dog shit on my room apparently they used it as their dog's room and they let them shit everywhere and didn't even bother picking it up (I almost threw up). Son's room was a mess beer bottles everywhere )he's 17, and obviously they just moved and didn't even bother to clean up.


I guess how do we get the money that we are owed (I don't care much about the money as I do them trying to figure out the way to pay it)? How do small claims court work? Lawyer?

Here's what we are suing for three months of rent, water bill, and maybe carpet cleaning?

and here's what we got.

the term's of lease agreement signed by her and my mom with empty starting and ending months, but it says $15,000 something on the amount 1,300 every month clearly, but my mom kinda wrote over the copy and she said the renter signed it after the writing over it part and she did so with the same pen you know those ones that writes on bold. and the bitch has a copy and one realtor too

a handwritten note with both of them's signatures saying that she owes 2,600 dollars

a bounced check

if this counts the renter looks like a complete whore, tattoos everywhere, noserings and stuff. and my mom is just your typical little old lady (and i bet everyone she meets will say she is a good honest person).

And i'm sure the bitch has some really bad credit history and other stuff.


Uhhh What?
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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1896 times:

Quoting Boeinglover24 (Thread starter):
a bounced check

Take the bounced check to the district attorney's office, and go from there.

The cost of hiring a lawyer to try and recover anything from obviously dodgy paperwork would probably cost more in expenses and headache than just cleaning the place up and renting it out right the next time.



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11572 posts, RR: 61
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1898 times:

Quoting Boeinglover24 (Thread starter):
if this counts the renter looks like a complete whore, tattoos everywhere, noserings and stuff.

Sorry to pick out just one point, but no I'm afraid that doesn't count actually  Yeah sure Judging by appearances like that is silly and naive, I have many perfectly decent friends who are covered in tattoos, have multiple piercings etc... and believe me they get fed up of being branded like you just did.

I do though hope that you get your rent back, certainly here in the UK the process is to go through the small claims court, so good luck in retrieving your money.

Dan Smile



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User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

Sell the house, there is probably a heap of people ahead of you in the queue to claim back money from these people.

If you don't have your own private security force and the house isn't in a "good" neighbourhood where you can get high rents and have an agency handle it...don't do the rental thing.

If you do, make sure you get references and credit checks, plus, meet the people, would your mom have rented to this "whore" if she'd have met her?

Renting houses requires you to be highly discriminatory, anally retentive about pre-checks and a hard bastard to boot.

Sell it, invest the money and forget this experience, there are too many of these scenarios happening every day.


User currently offlineKmh1956 From Bermuda, joined Jun 2005, 3324 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1876 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
Take the bounced check to the district attorney's office, and go from there.

The cost of hiring a lawyer to try and recover anything from obviously dodgy paperwork would probably cost more in expenses and headache than just cleaning the place up and renting it out right the next time.

Westy's probably right. If the original paperwork was a bit off, there's probably not a lot you can do. Get the place cleaned up (or do it yourselves), get a standard lease form to use for your next renters (it maybe worth the expense of a lawyer to draw one up for you) and do a background check on your next tenants. Ensure that the new lease isn't written all over, do an inventory before they move in...basically cover your asses next time.



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User currently offlineBoeinglover24 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 305 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1874 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 2):

Sorry to pick out just one point, but no I'm afraid that doesn't count actually Yeah sure Judging by appearances like that is silly and naive, I have many perfectly decent friends who are covered in tattoos, have multiple piercings etc... and believe me they get fed up of being branded like you just did.

I do though hope that you get your rent back, certainly here in the UK the process is to go through the small claims court, so good luck in retrieving your money.

Dan Smile

Well sorry for that, i have a couple of friends that do so, and uh I guess I just needed to get out a shot or two...



Uhhh What?
User currently offlineBoeinglover24 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 305 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1869 times:

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 4):
Westy's probably right. If the original paperwork was a bit off, there's probably not a lot you can do. Get the place cleaned up (or do it yourselves), get a standard lease form to use for your next renters (it maybe worth the expense of a lawyer to draw one up for you) and do a background check on your next tenants. Ensure that the new lease isn't written all over, do an inventory before they move in...basically cover your asses next time.

My realtor (the person who sold us our new house not at all involved in this transaction) and the renter has a copy that doesn't have stuff written over it....I guess what I'm concerned about is the from and til months.



Uhhh What?
User currently offlineBoeinglover24 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 305 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1865 times:

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 3):
Sell the house, there is probably a heap of people ahead of you in the queue to claim back money from these people.

If you don't have your own private security force and the house isn't in a "good" neighbourhood where you can get high rents and have an agency handle it...don't do the rental thing.

If you do, make sure you get references and credit checks, plus, meet the people, would your mom have rented to this "whore" if she'd have met her?

Renting houses requires you to be highly discriminatory, anally retentive about pre-checks and a hard bastard to boot.

Sell it, invest the money and forget this experience, there are too many of these scenarios happening every day.

I told my mom to just sell it but she figures she can finish the mortage knowing she only needs a year to do so.....and my mom really did messed up on this on really really did.....



Uhhh What?
User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1857 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
Quoting Boeinglover24 (Thread starter):a bounced check
Take the bounced check to the district attorney's office, and go from there.

The cost of hiring a lawyer to try and recover anything from obviously dodgy paperwork would probably cost more in expenses and headache than just cleaning the place up and renting it out right the next time.

Agree, with one additional suggestion. If you have a signed document from the former renter that acknowledges she owes you money, your mom should send the former renter a demand letter asking for the amount owed, and the clean up costs. After 30 or 60 days - depending on your locale, file an action in small claims court. You don't need a lawyer, there is a nominal filing fee, and if the respondent doesn't show up in court, you get a default judgment.

You might not be able to collect initially, but a unsatisfied judgment will make it difficult for the other party to rent other places in the future.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1857 times:

Quoting Boeinglover24 (Reply 6):

My realtor (the person who sold us our new house not at all involved in this transaction) and the renter has a copy that doesn't have stuff written over it....I guess what I'm concerned about is the from and til months.

If you sue, you have to produce your documents. That's where the dodginess of it all will be revealed. You need to have a clear-cut case one way or the other.

The lady I used to rent a house from was an incredibly bad landlord. She had two nice homes, and then a bunch of crap. The crap houses she rented to less than qualified individuals, demanded large deposits upfront, and then kicked them out rather quickly, keeping the deposit, I later found out.

She was so used to dealing with deadbeats, when I ended my lease, she never even bothered to send my deposit back. Ooops, state law allows for 2x damages if the deposit or a statement of damages isn't produced within 30 days. Guess what I collected?  Big grin



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User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1824 times:

Welcome to the world of managing rentals!

My dad has several himself, and manages my Aunt's for her(She lives in Berkeley, CA). There are some real winners out there. People are all generally on HUD assistance that are renters, so they don't have to fork out a whole lot every month. And the process of evicting is a pain in the ass for the land lord. At least in Oregon it is.

Two recent renters of my aunt's places were so bad, I almost puked when we went in. Bot had to have the carpets completely replaced. Their dogs were filthy, and trashed the walls, etc. We had to completely re-paint two houses inside because the walls were such a disaster. One renter let her kids just go to down on the walls with markers in their room. The smell was god aweful.

Of course you can go after these people. And if they're on HUD assistance, you can report them, and it will be revoked. But are you ever going to get your expenses re-captured? Sometimes yes. Sometimes no. Sometimes not for a very long time. You can do all sorts of things. Some of these people are dumb enough to use you as a reference at the next place they rent from.

One of my Aunt's tennants right now is awesome. He weeds out all the whack jobs for my dad when he's screening them. He'll make their life a living hell if they're pigs, and trash the place. One guy in the neighborhood was a registered sex offender, and he's got I think a teenage son, and two daughters. He made his life a living hell so much so, that he moved out. He's reported to my dad that tennants were doin drugs, or selling out of the house, etc. The trick, and hard part, is finding good renters. And it can be very hard to do. I don't know if I ever want to get any...Some people are just horrible in how they treat their place of residence.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1807 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 10):
People are all generally on HUD assistance that are renters

Ridiculous.



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User currently offlineKiwiTEAL From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 253 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1800 times:

This sort of thing goes on in Aussie all the time - simply because the "leasor", wants to do it all on their own, and not go through a "realtor", and pay a nominal sum to ensure its done properly.

If your rental home is trashed by a tenant when its "managed" by a liscensed realtor...... "you" have a come-back on them, if they have not managed your property to the best of their "so-called" qualifications.

In this day and age, the average individual has "NO" rights due to our "do-gooder" governments/councils/municipalities etc:

For the pain of a realtor's managing fee (which also means you can increase the rental to cover fees etc) - it's worth it to know that even if your home is trashed, you will have a more likely chance of some form of compensation - and probably insurance also.

Sorry it happened to your family though..............  Sad

Good Luck,

John
KiwiTEAL


User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1781 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 10):
People are all generally on HUD assistance that are renters

How freaking eloquent. Been renting since 1985. Never a penny of assistance. Try buying in this market. Check yer facts. In BOS, some people rent their whole lives having worked a good paying job, but unable to crack the market dominated by people who have already made a killing with rental properties.


User currently offlineKiwiTEAL From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 253 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1767 times:

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 13):
some people rent their whole lives having worked a good paying job, but unable to crack the market dominated by people who have already made a killing with rental properties.

Totally agree CastleIsland........... I have rented in Sydney, Australia for the last 19 years, and even though I am married and am heading towards 50, I know damn well that if i want to remain close to my business and my clients, I have to live in the "big smoke", and being a 'sole trader' - I simply cannot afford to buy my own place where I "prefer" to live.

To buy a place in Sydney means I would have to move almost 40 miles out of the city. There is certainly a difference in the types of people who "rent" - and I'm sure you and I share that situation.

4pm on New Years Eve, all the toilets blocked up on our side of the apartment block. I mobilised a team of 7 different tennants to get stuck in and start the clean-up with me, before the emergency plumber arrived. We all got working, and the ladies bought down beers and champagne............. Jeez, we had a party shovelling shit!!!!!!! it really was fun (other than the smell!). We got it done, and as a result we have met about four new couples!!!! What more could you ask for?

John


User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1727 times:

Quoting Boeinglover24 (Thread starter):
My sister kinda frustrated kinda hit the car with her purse (no damage to the car), they stopped and the gay ass sissy son got off and threatened to hurt them. When he got closse my mom reached for her cell and yelled out he's calling 911 he walked back toward his car. So after I heard this we (my sister's bf and I) was about to borrow a gun and stop at walmart for some lighter fluid

I'm going to approach this from a different angle. You need to be very careful what you say in public forums such as this. If anything were to happen to these people, you could be looked upon as (at the very least) a suspect because of this small part of your statement. And because of the way you said it, any charges could be upgraded to "hate crime" status.

Your family made several mistakes along the way, but that's what life's all about. Just do the right thing from here on out, make the best of it and follow any legal recourse you have.

Renting a house is just a business, like any other, and whatever emotional attachment you or your family might have with the house needs to be broken or it will never work out. Take a big enough deposit to account for damages and insist on frequent inspections of the property so the situation doesn't get out of control. Insure the property correctly to cover losses. Yes, it cuts into the profit, but loss of the investment in the property cuts it even more!

Engage a reputable attorney and even if you sue them and they don't have any money you can get, at least you can get a judgement against them. Funny how things work out as life goes on, someday you might see them on the front page of the local newspaper after they win the lottery, then you can get the judgement plus interest.


User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1701 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 10):
People are all generally on HUD assistance that are renters, so they don't have to fork out a whole lot every month.

What have you been smoking?

As for the rest of the problem, Queso posts some good advice. Your best bet should be Small Claims Court.


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12163 posts, RR: 36
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1681 times:
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Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 3):
Renting houses requires you to be highly discriminatory, anally retentive about pre-checks and a hard bastard to boot.

Definately. Some people I know rented out their farm while they lived away for a year. The first renters were shitheads who decided to attempt to cook meth in the basement. Luckily (for my friends) they got a call from the sheriff about an attempted murder that happened out there, and when the deputies got there, they found all the meth ingredients in the basement, but luckily not started yet. Decided not to rent out after that and just let the house sit there empty instead.



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User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1657 times:

A similar thing happened to some friends of mine. They rented out their house, it got trashed and the renters left owing about $3700.

My friends filed small claims and used www.legalzoom.com to do that. It was resolved within a couple of months - all back rent plus damages for the stuff they had trashed.


User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4947 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1646 times:

Serve them with a notice to vacate the premisis. Contact your housing authority and find out how the laws are in the area you live in. In some states you can give a 5 day, followed by a 3 day, followed by a constable yanking them out.


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User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1637 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 11):
Ridiculous.

Is it? Most of the renters in my dad's/Aunt's places are on HUD assistance.

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 13):
How freaking eloquent. Been renting since 1985. Never a penny of assistance. Try buying in this market. Check yer facts. In BOS, some people rent their whole lives having worked a good paying job, but unable to crack the market dominated by people who have already made a killing with rental properties.

Ohhhhhhhh...So Boston is the model for the entire country. Do some research.

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 16):
What have you been smoking?

Nothing, thank-you.


Guys, just because YOU aren't on HUD, doesn't mean the vast majority of renters aren't.


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12163 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1629 times:
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Quoting S12PPL (Reply 20):
Guys, just because YOU aren't on HUD, doesn't mean the vast majority of renters aren't.

Can you please back that statement up with a credible source?



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1616 times:

Also photograph the damages, it will help in your case. Buy a disposable camera keep the receipt, develop them and keep the original envelope and also the receipt, the receipt has a date and time stamp.


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User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1595 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 21):
Can you please back that statement up with a credible source?

I would ask you, and them, to show me stats for the entire country that show a bunch of renters aren't on HUD assistance....

But because I know very few will try, I'll try and find out.


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12163 posts, RR: 36
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1586 times:
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Quoting S12PPL (Reply 23):
I would ask you, and them, to show me stats for the entire country that show a bunch of renters aren't on HUD assistance....

You were the first one to provide "stats", so that burden is on you  Smile

I guess it does depend on locale, as where I used to live, the majority of the renters were college students.



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25 S12PPL : No...I was the first one to give first hand knowlage, being related to a land lord/property manager/realtor...And having helped with these rentals pe
26 AeroWesty : I don't mean to be crass, but you're in a relatively non-urban area of the state where housing is lower in cost in relation to more urban areas. The
27 Post contains links Queso : S12PPL, be careful what you wish for. http://www.huduser.org/periodicals/rrr/diverse.html Excerpt: "In 1993, 4.1 million households lived in HUD-assis
28 Post contains images KaiGywer : Hmm... Thanks for the link Queso! Nobody called you a liar, simply asked for you to provide the proof of your asinine statement
29 AeroWesty : If I read this right, only 1/4 of those "eligible" for HUD housing receive assistance, not 1/4 of all renters, correct?
30 Queso : Of those households eligible, 1/4 receive HUD assistance. So that's an even smaller percentage of the overall base of those renting housing.
31 Planespotting : You made an incredibly broad, ignorant and offensive statement about an entire category of people based on your experience in one small area of the c
32 S12PPL : Sorry, but that's an assinine statement. This area is full of HUD renters. I know of other areas that are as well. I never accused everyone of being
33 Queso : Actually, what you said was..... ....then you jumped KaiGywer's shit when he asked you for stats to back up your assertion.... When you couldn't do i
34 AeroWesty : The internet is an interesting place, isn't it? S12, you even came out and said "the vast majority" of renters receive HUD assistance, and now are tr
35 S12PPL : No fricken difference. I said the same thing, just used a different word. What's your problem? Because I am related to a person who deals with this s
36 Post contains images Boeinglover24 : Thanks for the help everyone.... Greatly appreciated.... We still haven't decided whether or not to sell the place because fact is that there is a maj
37 Post contains images Vikkyvik : This: sounds an awful lot like this: to which you responded with this: P.S. Logan - sorry to use your statement as an example
38 Planespotting : I would hate to be one of your clients if your attitude on a-net is any indication of your professional aptitude... you were obviously wrong and refu
39 S12PPL : Then that's a sad statement on your ability to compare what people say. It does no such thing as compare Boston to any other area. All I did was say
40 NIKV69 : Matt please. It is bad enough you made the most horrible generalazation but now you just continue to spew out things after most of them have been blow
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