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Why Do Certain People Need Special Attention?  
User currently offlineTsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1376 times:

I'm sorry if the topic of this post does not convey what I am trying to say in here. For small minded people I'm a black gay man! But to me I'm a human being.
Today I read a article about 6 black gay men being shot at a house party early 01/01/2007. I thought what does it matter that they were gay or even black for that matter? 6 men were shot and all could have been killed so why does the headline include the fact that they were gay?

I just found out about this thing here: www.aa.com/rainbow
OK why can't AA cater to everyone equally why does there need to be something "separate" for gay people? I can book all my flights comfortably at www.aa.com and get to my destinations safely without everything being tagged as for "special people".

Thats like a school for only fat people, or black people, or Native Americans. Why do some people push an agenda to be "inclusive" and recognized why can't we all just do things as one? As long as we all be respectful to one another who needs something "separate" to feel accepted or included?

I hope that came off ok. Just something I was thinking about and tried to put into words.

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User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1362 times:

Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
Thats like a school for only fat people, or black people, or Native Americans. Why do some people push an agenda to be "inclusive" and recognized why can't we all just do things as one? As long as we all be respectful to one another who needs something "separate" to feel accepted or included?

I hope that came off ok. Just something I was thinking about and tried to put into words.

Good man! glad it isn't just me (I am neither Gay nor Black). I hear what you are saying and it bothers me too.

When I was a youthworker in London I could have got funding to take gay kids rock-climbing but not "staright kids" same too for "Ethnic Minorities".

What I did was take ALL kids rock-climbing, and Hiking, regardless of where they were from or at and it promoted understanding and inclusion in way that the Gay Lesbian and Bisexual Workers and the "inclusion" workers never could.

And then I threw Kids with Disabilities into the mix and it worked even better, all one, all getting along just fine.

Trouble is "Inclusion" activists make things political because they can't bear the thought that they may be "ignored" and treated the same as everyone else, which is what they claim to want but are never happy as activists are usually into the activism and not the result of activism.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1347 times:

Short answer... we are ALL retards. The journalists are retards for feeling they need to use those terms, editos insist those descriptions are present to 'be through' but also increase circulation. Last but not least, we are retards for buying that crap.

PS Developmentally challenged people are smarter then all reporters/editors.

Signed,

S12ppl


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1331 times:

Interesting post. I think Jafa nailed it on the head. By fighting for inclusion these folks just separate themselves more and more. I'm for the individual and could give a rat's ass if you are gay, striaght, white, black, green, etc. as long as you aren't stupid (not mentally retarded but just plain stupid. There is a difference.)

Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
Thats like a school for only...black people

Uhmm...they already have those. Florida A&M, Alabama A&M, Tuskeegee, and many others come to mind.

Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
Why do some people push an agenda to be "inclusive" and recognized why can't we all just do things as one

Because it makes them money and keeps them in the spotlight. Do you really think Jesse Jackson is in it completely for racial equality?

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 1):

Well said.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 2):

You had me up until the Signed By part. Good show!



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1324 times:

Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
Today I read a article about 6 black gay men being shot at a house party early 01/01/2007. I thought what does it matter that they were gay or even black for that matter? 6 men were shot and all could have been killed so why does the headline include the fact that they were gay?

I'm normally one of the "why should race matter" crowd (Like I don't even think race should be a question on a job or college application. Your other example about AA having a special site for gays is another good example of this ridiculousness) but something tells me these 6 men were killed because they were either gay or black or both. In other words, it is probably relevant to the story.


User currently offlineDuff44 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1320 times:

The only reason being gay or black would be an issue in this case is if those were the reasons why they were shot.

If it was, that's pretty sick. If not, then why include it?



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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20511 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1307 times:

Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
I just found out about this thing here: www.aa.com/rainbow
OK why can't AA cater to everyone equally why does there need to be something "separate" for gay people? I can book all my flights comfortably at www.aa.com and get to my destinations safely without everything being tagged as for "special people".

And you weren't on the AA flight out of DC in 1993 where they had the pillows and blankets destroyed for fear of spreading AIDS after a group of passengers from the March on Washington traveled onboard.

Know your history. AA has had to have been pulled into the 21st century in a lot of ways, and they aren't alone.

Now all of a sudden they realize that we have a ton of disposable income to spend, and have nothing to fear other than we'll fly with someone else.

Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
As long as we all be respectful to one another who needs something "separate" to feel accepted or included?

Good question. Use the search function on this very board for some interesting debate on "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". I don't know why the straights have to have their own armed forces. Doesn't make any sense to me, but that's the way it is.



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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1302 times:

I do agree with your general premise, but these probably aren't the two best examples you could have chosen. The initial reports indicated that the fact that the house was known as a 'gay house' in an otherwise blue-collar neighborhood may have played into the shooting.

As for the AA thing, its marketing. The gay community isn't asking AA to create a site for them, but AA thinks they can drive revenue by catering to the gay community so they do. It's no different than a site for business travelers or for that matter, SPIKE TV. There is a market, a business sees an opportunity by targeting that market.



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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 47
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1270 times:
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Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 6):
Use the search function on this very board for some interesting debate on "Don't Ask, Don't Tell".

Talking about DADT, some might find the following article interesting:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/02/gays.military.ap/index.html

Quote:
The Army general who was Joint Chiefs chairman when the Pentagon adopted its "don't ask, don't tell" policy on gays says he no longer opposes allowing them to serve openly.



Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 6):
I don't know why the straights have to have their own armed forces.

In Switzerland we have a draft-based army, and as almost everyone I've served for 12 years (1 month every year). Being gay in our army isn't a problem, but there's a huge difference - we don't fight wars. I understand that those who don't want gays to live openly in the US Army think that some other soldiers might have a problem with homosexuality (which unfortunately I'm afraid is true) and therefore decrease their combat readiness because they divert their attention to futile things like other soldiers' homosexuality. How real this actually is, I don't know.

Regarding the original topic, like others said, in this specific article probably the fact that the 6 men were black and/or gay was relevant to why they were shot, therefore I think it was right to specify it.

About the AA rainbow program, well, that's easy ... it's to make money. Believe it or not, there will be gays attracted by this program, and will prefer AA instead of some other airline, precisely because of this.

Being gay myself, I wouldn't pick an airline because it has a rainbow program, because I really don't care if an airline is gay-friendly or not - I only have to fly with them, and sexual orientation has nothing to do with the flight itself. I can't be banned from a flight because I'm gay - they will never know that I am anyway, unless I start publicly kissing my partner on the airplane Big grin

Of course I would pick a gay-friendly hotel if travelling to a country where homosexuality is illegal, just to make sure that we don't need to get 2 separate rooms and/or get arrested, but that's another issue.

-Manuel



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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6698 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1244 times:

This has been a topic of discussion over here recently with the murders of 5 women who were prostitutes. Many news reports referred to the women as being prostitutes and there were plenty who objected to the terminology being used as the headline. I didn't feel it added anything. Now whether there was some editorial decision that because they were prostitutes they were somehow more at risk of being killed and so the label was used is for others to confirm. Or it was a matter of "they were prostitutes, 'nice' girls are safe". Or just being salacious.

As to the wider point of reconciling equality and identity; it is always going to be an issue especially when there are, let us say, new social groupings entering an established social structure with its long held attitudes. It always seems to be the minority who are described as their minority label whereas the majority aren't. In the Enron case, for example, the perpetrators were never "white, Christian" (assuming they were the latter) criminals, just named as who they were.

I do agree with you that having a gayA and an AA doesn't really help bring people together. Incidentally, would AA be (potentially) breaking the laws of particular states if a gay person booked using the rainbow site to fly to places where homosexuality is illegal. I mean AA knowingly transported someone whose (private) activites are illegal.



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User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1180 times:

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 9):
This has been a topic of discussion over here recently with the murders of 5 women who were prostitutes. Many news reports referred to the women as being prostitutes and there were plenty who objected to the terminology being used as the headline. I didn't feel it added anything

But if the guy was murdering prostitues, the news may have been a good way of alerting prostitutes to the danger. IMHO using accurate descriptions is not insulting, if the headlines say "5 people killed", the public will want to ask "What sort of people?" so they can assess the risk to themselves and if only prostitutes are being murdered (at night) then Mrs Averagely-Boring doesn't need to pack weapons in her frillies for a trip to the supermarket.

To not use the descriptor would be like if a pack of Dogs was savaging people on the streets and dog owners complained saying it was salcious or sensationalist.

If 5 Black guys get shot, or 5 Inuit, there is a form of connection that may help Police with feedback from the public.

Just my 2cNZ worth.


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