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3 Year Old Shoots Self With Parents' Gun  
User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9521 posts, RR: 26
Posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2551 times:

I figured my Birmingham friends would like this one :P



SOURCE: WGCL CBS Atlanta, Ga.

INFORMATION:
A 3-year-old boy was killed early today (Friday, 1-5) after accidentally
firing
his parent's gun.

The boy was the son of a Henry County police officer, authorities said.

The accident happened shortly after midnight when Marcus Kitt found the gun
in a
closet in his parents' bedroom, Clayton County police Capt. Robert Tomlin
said.

The gunfire woke up the boy's mother.
It was not immediately known if the gun was the father's service gun.

The father was in Texas on business at the time.


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User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2552 times:

That is why mine are locked in a safe. It breaks your heart to hear these stories.

User currently offlineAdopim88 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 2007 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2547 times:

That's sad. They should have taken better care to lock up their firearms, or put it up high where a child can't find it  Sad It's always sad to hear of a child shooting himself or herself on accident. When they don't know any better. He was 3... He probably thought it was a toy.


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User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2544 times:

I think the real solution is to introduce kids to guns at birth. That way they become comfortable around them and are less likely to have an accident.

Signed,
Charlton Heston and the NRA Nutjobs



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9521 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2540 times:

Quoting YOWza (Reply 3):

I think MiamiAir needs to chime in on this one. From what I understand he does happen to have a young son who is very familiar with proper firearms management.

Now if only his Spanish grades were better....



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User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

Quoting YOWza (Reply 3):
I think the real solution is to introduce kids to guns at birth.

That's a bit early, but 4 years old is not unreasonable.

Quoting STLGph (Thread starter):
I figured my Birmingham friends would like this one :P

Like this one? It is a very sad and unfortunate story and I am puzzled at why you would introduce it in that manner.


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12898 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2513 times:
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Quoting YOWza (Reply 3):
I think the real solution is to introduce kids to guns at birth. That way they become comfortable around them and are less likely to have an accident.

Signed,
Charlton Heston and the NRA Nutjobs

 rotfl 

Indeed, I can see an "Adopt a womb" campaign from the NRA where members are encouraged to expose embryos to the soothing sounds of guns being loaded and cocked. Or selling tapes of "gun sounds" that expectant mothers can play to their lumps. It can't hurt to prepare them too soon!

Never forgetting, of course, that it's not the guns that kill people.



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9521 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2510 times:

Quoting Queso (Reply 5):

Because as I was discussing with ILikeYYC the other day, threads here about driving through a White Castle drive thru backwards either go Pro/Anti-Bush or Pro/Anti - gun control in a matter of two words.

But what's usually missing is the opportunity for gun enthusiasts to come forth and concretely state their just cause. Remember in college when you had to pick a topic and essay a paragraph with an opposing viewpoint and sell it to the audience?

So, here's your platform.



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User currently offlineAgill From Sweden, joined Feb 2004, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2497 times:

Quoting STLGph (Thread starter):
I figured my Birmingham friends would like this one :P

This must be among the most tasteless comments ever written on this board...


User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6678 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2482 times:
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Quoting Queso (Reply 5):
That's a bit early, but 4 years old is not unreasonable.

Does TONKA make guns?

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User currently offlineCroCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2472 times:

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 1):
That is why mine are locked in a safe. It breaks your heart to hear these stories.

I agree, this is heart wrenching.


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2454 times:

Quoting YOWza (Reply 3):
Signed,
Charlton Heston and the NRA Nutjobs

Being a life member, I guess I qualify as a NRA Nutjob.

Storeing your firearms where children can access them is idiotic, and criminal. What happened here is tragic and was completely preventable with very little effort. It's doubly tragic that this happened to the child of a police officer. Officers should know proper firearm safety better than any one else out there, and most certainly know what happens without proper firearm safety.

The newscopy leaves me with some questions.

Where exactly in the closet was the weapon that a three year old child could get it? On the ground?

What was a child doing roaming around the house after midnight? And what was the parent doing sleeping while the child was roaming the house?

Lock your weapon up. Secure and quick to access weapons safes are not very expensive and easy to obtain. There is no excuse to have an unsecured firearm.


User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2437 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 4):
I think MiamiAir needs to chime in on this one. From what I understand he does happen to have a young son who is very familiar with proper firearms management.

Now if only his Spanish grades were better....

He's eight now, and his Spanish grades are going south. He is older than the subject of this thread. The only thing you can do for children that age are keep your firearms locked away. After that, it is education and practice. Here he is...

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/miamiair/IMG_0683_1U-Range.jpg


User currently offlineLeonB1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2428 times:

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 12):
The only thing you can do for children that age are keep your firearms locked away. After that, it is education and practice.

Or live without firearms around - probably safest option all round, or not?


User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2423 times:

Quoting LeonB1985 (Reply 13):
Or live without firearms around - probably safest option all round, or not?

Not if an assailant breaks into your house at 3am and the cops are not standing at the door waiting for them.


User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2423 times:

Quoting LeonB1985 (Reply 13):
Or live without firearms around - probably safest option all round, or not?

Different culture. You mean to tell me the criminals aren't the only ones armed now in the UK(Except the police)?

It is a freedom, liberty, and a right to arm yourself in this country. I don't see that changing any time soon.


User currently offlineIlikeyyc From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1373 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2414 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 11):
It's doubly tragic that this happened to the child of a police officer. Officers should know proper firearm safety better than any one else out there, and most certainly know what happens without proper firearm safety.

My uncle tells me a story of an officer on the force who cleaned her gun by putting it through the dishwasher.....so there are a few clueless officers out there.

Quoting STLGph (Thread starter):
I figured my Birmingham friends would like this one :P

No I don't like this one because its a very sad story. More proof that with power comes responsibility. With kids in the house, it is the responsibility of the firearm owner to lock up all guns. Even if you have a "bump-in-the-night" gun, it needs to be locked up.

Quoting YOWza (Reply 3):
I think the real solution is to introduce kids to guns at birth. That way they become comfortable around them and are less likely to have an accident.

As facetious as you were, you are not too far off the mark. I was brought up around guns and hunting so I was very aware of their power. As a result, I was never curious about them.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2395 times:

Quoting Queso (Reply 5):
Quoting YOWza (Reply 3):
I think the real solution is to introduce kids to guns at birth.

That's a bit early, but 4 years old is not unreasonable.

 Yeah sure

Maybe try not introducing to them at all?

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 11):
Storeing your firearms where children can access them is idiotic, and criminal.

Yes, if you're going ot have them, that's the safest thing to do.

Quoting Queso (Reply 14):
Not if an assailant breaks into your house at 3am and the cops are not standing at the door waiting for them.

Which happens almost never, and is just another cop-out for people who have a fixation with firearms.


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2386 times:

God bless America and their wonderful gun rules!
 Yeah sure



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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2376 times:

The parents needs to be in jail.

It is just criminally negligent to leave a loaded unlocked weapon in a house with minor children.


User currently offlineJalto27R From United States of America, joined May 2004, 857 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2370 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 17):
Which happens almost never, and is just another cop-out for people who have a fixation with firearms.

Whenever I'm up at night, and have my radio on, that's all you ever hear. "Break In" in progress at this house, half an hour later at another. Maybe it's cause I live 5 miles from Camden, but hell, to say it never happens is a load of horse s#$t.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2359 times:

Quoting Jalto27R (Reply 20):
Whenever I'm up at night, and have my radio on, that's all you ever hear. "Break In" in progress at this house, half an hour later at another. Maybe it's cause I live 5 miles from Camden, but hell, to say it never happens is a load of horse s#$t.

Read what I said: almost never. And how often do you hear of a homeowner beating back burglers with a gun? Almost never, as I said, because such confrontations don't happen more than once in a blue moon.


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2338 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 21):
Read what I said: almost never. And how often do you hear of a homeowner beating back burglers with a gun? Almost never, as I said, because such confrontations don't happen more than once in a blue moon.

Is that because the burglars know that certain houses are likely to have guns?

For example, just about every Israeli house has an assault weapon in it because of the reserve military component to their armed services. You don't hear many reports of home invasion robbery in Israel do you? Now is that because there are no criminals in Israel or that the criminal in Israel know that if they try to break into a home there is a very high likelihood that the homeowner might fight back?


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2335 times:

The person who leaves loaded firearms within reach of children unsupervised by adults needs to be locked up.

The parents of this child are culpable, and deserve prosecution....in addition to the guilt they must feel already.

Responsible firearms ownership requires proper storage. A safe is much less trouble than a dead kid.



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User currently offlineJalto27R From United States of America, joined May 2004, 857 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2330 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 21):

Read what I said: almost never. And how often do you hear of a homeowner beating back burglers with a gun? Almost never, as I said, because such confrontations don't happen more than once in a blue moon.

Happened to a cop friend of mine while he was home asleep a few months ago. Crack head was going around trying to break into unlocked house doors/cars, and he heard the glass on a car window break. Went outside and the guy tried threatening him with a crowbar, and he had to put him down at gunpoint. Happens much more than you think.


25 Post contains images N174UA : I think the real solution is to educate kids on how to handle and respect a firearm if they come across one, rather than being scared of it and havin
26 Pope : I had a much less intense story that really freaked me out about 4 years ago. Our housekeeper at the time gave her son our house key. On a Friday nig
27 Post contains links Ilikeyyc : Happens more than you think, here is a small sample: http://www.claytoncramer.com/gundefenseblog/blogger.html "Teen shoots, kills 2 would-be robbers
28 Lowrider : Rarely, but it wouldn't make for a good news story. Just like non-fatal auto accidents.
29 ANCFlyer : Oh goodie, another bash the gun owners thread! Isn't this special. And the same BS from the same anti-gun lobby as well . . . Predictable. Once a week
30 MD11Engineer : German firearms law: Giving unauthorised persons access to guns, either intentionally or inadvertently, 2 years in prison. This is if nothing bad happ
31 BHMBAGLOCK : I used to live one county over in Shamong and the difference is amazing. It's pretty well known that Burlington County, NJ has a very high rate of gu
32 Blrsea : It is very sad to hear of the kids death. But I guess people will just have to live with it as long as they are happy with their freedom to bear arms.
33 Post contains images Falcon84 : v Do they have something like a gun "geiger counter", that can tell them when there's a gun present. Actually, no, Pope, I don't think many of them h
34 174thfwff : I own a Beretta CX4 Storm and thank god I don't have kids to worry about.The only time I keep it locked up is when I'm out of the house. It's a tragic
35 Queso : Outstanding! Hope he is doing well and that he can be there with us again this year too! He's a pretty good plate shooter! I really enjoyed visiting
36 Pope : If the thesis is, does the presence of a weapon in a house affect the rate of violent crimes like home invasion robbery, then I think that it serves
37 Pope : That just shows your ignorance with respect to crime. Truly random acts of violence are far fewer than the acts of violence when the criminal has som
38 Post contains images ANCFlyer : That's funny right there, I don't care who you are.
39 Post contains images Falcon84 : But your 'thesis" is way off base: you're comparing a nation constantly at war, with one that doesn't have mortal enemies on it's border. Sure, in Is
40 Bushpilot : What a sad story. The guilt the parents must feel would be excruciating. I dont know if throwing them in jail is the right thing to do. That isnt for
41 Post contains links Queso : Especially coming from Falcon....shows he's hit the end of his argument and has no facts to bolster his argument.... Hurricanes almost never hit New
42 Post contains links Ilikeyyc : In 1982, the city of Kennesaw, Georgia passed a law that required all heads of houseold (with a few exceptions) to own and maintain a firearm in the
43 Kmh1956 : The only flaw in that argument is that guns are made to kill, not chop garlic or drive or fly. If I want to hit a paper target for fun, I'll ping a r
44 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : How often do emergency evacuations happen on aircraft? Not often, but the aircraft is still equipped with the necessary equipment should the need to
45 Ilikeyyc : I would love to stick around and debate this all night, but I must leave for work soon. Bows and arrows were meant to kill things, but I don't see peo
46 Falcon84 : To be honest, I think it Unconstitutional to force residents to own firearms-and I think the same about any municipality that forces people not to ha
47 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : Really sad. How awful. Man my prayers are with this family, just a horrible accident. Dave
48 Luv2fly : Agree! No shows that he has hit the proverbial nail on the head!
49 Post contains images Falcon84 : Maybe it just shows I have a freaking sense of humor over the whole thing, Queso, and I don't take myself too damned seriously. But I don't like guns
50 Queso : I don't have to ask ANC, you made your point and I trust you. It's really OK if you don't like them, there are a lot of things that you like that I d
51 Aa757first : This is terrible. You would expect a police officer to be more careful in storing his weapons. Actually, my attitude towards guns was much more seriou
52 N174UA : Why? Why should you be terrified of them? If you know how to properly handle and use them, what's the issue? I guess the real question is...are you t
53 TedTAce : At one point or another this year that will be my son. I'm debating about my 5 year old daughter, favoring no, for now. I avoid the whole issue by no
54 MDorBust : Thread from this morning. Well, the burglar had a gun at least... and there was some beating.
55 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : HAH! Falcon's argument is "Chances are it won't happen, so I'm not going to bother planning for it." Falcon's argument would be like saying there's n
56 Allstarflyer : Amen. Beats not having the option. -R
57 Sean1234 : The NRA's response to this incident: "Guns don't kill people, people kill people."
58 Post contains images PWM2TXLHopper : Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people.
59 STLGph : PART 1 - Yee haw. I go away for a few hours and this is up to a bazillion responses. A few good points in the usual jargain. At any rate, I ran this s
60 Post contains images BHMNONREV : "I make my living off the evening news, just give me something, some thing I can use, people love it when you lose, they love Dirty Laundry"... "Got
61 STLGph : someone has to rattle the pot. anticipation of Northwest retiring DC-9 or perhaps giving their workers a pay raise just gets old from time to time. t
62 Post contains images Itsjustme : So you're saying the only way to plan for a home invasion is to own a firearm? Sorry there sport, you're wrong. Audible alarm system, dog, exterior l
63 TedTAce : Here is my problem. It's one thing when some crack addict or other trailer dweller leaves the gun out and the kid self terminates (Bad, but predictab
64 Miamiair : Classic example of an accidental discharge. That cop didn't realize he had the magazine in the well, and let the slide go. The only bright spot was t
65 DL021 : One of the problems with discussions like this is that people tend to get personal and they take things too far...including conclusions based on a com
66 Queso : Ted, of course it is your choice at what point you might want to expose your 5 year-old to firearms, but in my opinion that is not too young. And tha
67 STLGph : Well I thought my viewers would like it. And they did. And the last time I checked, they keep me decked out in Prada & make sure my rent gets paid. Y
68 Jalto27R : The guy was off-duty, and a gun owner/home owner just the same as anyone else. The only difference is he deals with crack addicts every day in Camden
69 Aa757first : We have cleaning ladies come to my house every other week. Usually, we leave a door unlocked and the alarm off. Someone accidentally forgot they were
70 Itsjustme : DL, I wasn't addressing what Falcon said, I was addressing FlyDeltaJets87' response to what Falcon said (Reply 55). FlyDeltaJets87 infers the only wa
71 Jalto27R : I don't need to, I find out everything that happened later. Being a firefighter has it's perks. True, but my point is if he was unarmed, the situatio
72 DL021 : I'm right there with you.
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