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Why Can't I Get Pseudoephedrine Anymore?  
User currently offlineFlyingNanook From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 830 posts, RR: 12
Posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8508 times:

I need to rant, so apologies in advance.

I went to Fred Meyer (supermarket + everything store for those not in the Pacific NW) today to buy some pseudoephedrine (Sudafed). It used to be that I would have to go to customer service and show my ID to get some. Now, I have to go to the pharmacy to get it. That's all fine and dandy, but the pharmacy closed just before I got there, and even though the pharmacists were still in there, they refused to help me.

I understand that pseudoephedrine is used to make crystal meth, and it has to be regulated. Now my question is what good does making it only available through the pharmacy do? Do the pharmacists do anything besides check ID, which is what the customer service people did? And even then, what good does checking ID do? It's not like they have a record of how much pseudoephedrine you've bought in the past.

Why can't they make small packages of pseudoephedrine available? Something like 24 packs (12 doses if I'm not mistaken), and have your ID checked when you buy it, much like alcohol or cigarettes. I don't really know how much you need when making crystal meth, but I would think that it has to be more than 24 pills.

And besides, since they've made pseudoephedrine harder to get, I haven't noticed any difference in the meth problems that we have up here. So the only thing that they've done is make it harder for sick people to get the medecine that they need.

I'm sorry to go on my rant, but I really needed to vent. I've been badly congested with a post nasal drip for days now and the over the counter Sudafed (phenylephrine) hasn't done a damn thing, and I really want my pseudoephedrine, since I haven't been able to talk for 3 days due to mucous clogging my vocal cords, or something like that. Now I won't be able to get any until I get off of work tomorrow, since the pharmacies open at 9 or later up here.

And one more question, why did they replace the decongestant in Dayquil, but not in Nyquil? I know that it's just phenylephrine and that doesn't do a damn thing for me, but still, why isn't that in Nyquil, only in Dayquil?


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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8414 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8504 times:
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Pretty much every product like Sudafed that is available here has pseudoephedrine in and you just buy it over the counter, no questions asked.


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29693 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8506 times:

Quoting FlyingNanook (Thread starter):
So the only thing that they've done is make it harder for sick people to get the medecine that they need.

That is a specialty of Con Bunde.

Screwing up people lives while claiming to solve social problems.

No wonder he is one of law enforcements favorites.



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User currently offlineArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3552 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8505 times:

As far as I can remember they don't sell it in the pharmacy down here, but they do have all of those stimulant pills locked up in every store.

I asked about them a few weeks ago and they are required to take your name, address, and license info when you buy them so they can make sure you're not buying too many. That stuff is practically pure ephedrine though.


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8875 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8502 times:

Quoting FlyingNanook (Thread starter):
It's not like they have a record of how much pseudoephedrine you've bought in the past.

About a month ago or so I bought a pack of Allegra-D and had to fill out a mini-form. Now CVS has a record of how much and when I bought it.

Can't remember exactly what was on the form but it was a bit of paper work. Name/date /product and quantity for sure, and I think the name of the pharmacist too.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8495 times:

Quoting Andz (Reply 1):

Pretty much every product like Sudafed that is available here has pseudoephedrine in and you just buy it over the counter, no questions asked.

Up untill a couple years ago, it was the same in the US. Short sighted, freedom curbing laws stopped that.

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 4):
About a month ago or so I bought a pack of Allegra-D and had to fill out a mini-form. Now CVS has a record of how much and when I bought it.

And they say this country isn't a police state.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29693 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8493 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 5):
Short sighted, freedom curbing laws stopped that.

Yup, most of the good quality meth is comming over the border from Mexico now.

They can get the core ingredents much easier and in greater quantities.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8487 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 6):
They can get the core ingredents much easier and in greater quantities.

I wonder if people are bringing pseudo and ephedrine over the border?

Quoting L-188 (Reply 6):
Yup, most of the good quality meth is comming over the border from Mexico now.

Well, there goes the economy of the Midwest. I wonder if the Minutemen will try to spin this?



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29693 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8485 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
I wonder if people are bringing pseudo and ephedrine over the border?

Both and the finished product also, which apparently is very high quality since the makers can set up much more "professional" labs.



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12163 posts, RR: 36
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8471 times:
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Quoting FlyingNanook (Thread starter):
It's not like they have a record of how much pseudoephedrine you've bought in the past.

They do more than you think. We've had pharmacies call us several times on people who buy a lot of pseudo. When you get calls from all the pharmacies in town, about the same people buying, you know something is up.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 5):
Short sighted, freedom curbing laws stopped that

Yeah, much better to have meth labs tainting houses and blowing up randomly. After the law was passed in Minnesota, the number of meth lab busts have dropped significantly.



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User currently offlineIAH777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8461 times:

Quoting FlyingNanook (Thread starter):
It's not like they have a record of how much pseudoephedrine you've bought in the past.

They do everytime I hit the pharmacy. There's a maximum weight you're allowed to purchase in a month and that weight is pretty low.

My wife and I both take Claritin-D 24 daily. To get enough for a month, we have to go to several different pharmacies and each purchase the maximum.

One pharmacist told us the manufacturers of Claritin are considering asking to have their product available by presecription only again. God, I wish they would. I could go back to getting three months' worth in one order online.


User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8455 times:

I was in Oregon this past summer, and IIRC they have a law that getting pseudoephedrine requires a prescription (most states just put it behind the counter). Of course, all that happened when they passed the law was that addicts stopped getting their dope from local labs and started buying the really strong stuff from Mexico. Didn't do much of anything to lower meth usage.


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User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8454 times:

Quoting IAH777 (Reply 10):
God, I wish they would.

I don't. I, for one, suffer from hayfever in the spring and summer. I only buy it as I need it, which is usually one pack (24 methinks...I don't remember) every 2 months. If this indeed did go back to Rx...I would have to pay...what is it...something like $50 to go see a doctor who will then tell me "Oh, you just have allergies...go get some Claritin." Yes, that copay seems steep, but when you're on Student Insurance through the University...that's not too bad. It's a crappy insurance, since it's HMO-based, and of course, there doesn't happen to be a prefered provider in BIL, so I'm screwed. Now, Montana State University Billings has promised to work on this, but as with all state institutions, it will take time. The only good thing I can say so far for this insurance, is that they picked up the rest of my kidney stone surgery tab that my parent's insurance didn't cover when they booted me off the policy in August. Supposedly the policy expired on me when I turned 22 in July, yet they payed $16,000 of the $21,000 bill I created in August. Gee, that's just too bad on their part... Big grin


User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8444 times:

My pharmacist told me that they have to fax their record sheets in to the FDA (or similar government entity) daily, and the data is collected and cross checked to make sure nobody's buying it at a bunch of different pharmacies.

It is a bit of a pain in the arse, but living out in the boonies around Seattle and seeing the HazMat team cleaning up a crashed van a mile from my house one day - with a bunch of Sudafed boxes spilled over the road next to it - I don't mind the crackdown.



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User currently offlineFlyingNanook From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 830 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8429 times:

At least it makes me feel better that at least the pharmacies are keeping record of pseudoephedrine buyers. My friend said that when he bought some iat the pharmacy, they just checked his ID and handed over the medicine, so I just assumed that they just look at the ID and nothing more.

I still think it's a stupid law, because in my experience, the meth labs in the Fairbanks area haven't decreased at all, not that I go out looking for meth labs, this is just what I heard. I mean, there are tons of other items that are used to make illegal stuff. Why is fertilizer so easily available when people make bombs out of it? Yes, I know that's taking it to extremes, but I'm trying to make a point.

Well, let's just hope that my non-decongestant Nyquil knocks me out enough that I don't care if I'm congested. And yes, I do have a cough and headache, so I am making use of a couple of the drugs in there, not just the one that knocks you out (the antihistamine?). Now, if I could only get some cough medicine with codeine, then I'd be a happy camper, but that's a whole 'nother topic.



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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6604 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8422 times:

Not being a recreational chemist, how many kg/lbs of Sudafed, or equivalent, would you need to make a reasonable amount of crystal meth? Certainly a load more than the average person with a blocked nose would need.

Incidentally the only "regulation" we seem to have over here for over-the- counter drugs is for paracetamol - too many overdoses. So you can only buy a small packet or 2.



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8414 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8415 times:
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Quoting Oly720man (Reply 15):
Incidentally the only "regulation" we seem to have over here for over-the- counter drugs is for paracetamol - too many overdoses. So you can only buy a small packet or 2.

Here we have a funny situation with paracetamol, the brand that I use, Panado, is available in packs of 24, 50 and 100 tablets (500mg each). The pack of 24 you can buy in the supermarket, but the bigger packs are marked Schedule 1 and can only be bought at pharmacies. However, you can buy as many 24 packs as you like at the supermarket or if you go to Makro (wholesaler) you can buy the bulk pack of 24s with no questions asked, so what's the point of restricting the sale of the bigger packs?



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12878 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8393 times:

Another reason for removing Pseudoephedrine products from open shelves was to reduce the exploding theft of such products. With the expanding demand for 'meth' and many users-makers with limited financial resources, they were not buying the product, rather they would steal it, shoplifting many packets at a time. A store, even a small family owned phamacy, could lose $100's a day in product being stolen by skilled and even unskilled shoplifters.
Yes, it is inconvenient and perhaps an invasion of one's privacy, but blame the a-holes that use and make 'meth' as well as the politicians looking for easy, cheap and public ways to control a serious health and drug problem.


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8389 times:

Quoting ScarletHarlot (Reply 13):
I don't mind the crackdown.

Technically I think it is more of a crankdown.
A crackdown would refer to rock cocaine.

[Edited 2007-01-08 13:36:19]


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User currently offlineWillo From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8387 times:

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 15):
Incidentally the only "regulation" we seem to have over here for over-the- counter drugs is for paracetamol - too many overdoses. So you can only buy a small packet or 2.

I tried to buy 2 packs of Paracetamol and 2 packs of Ibuprofen in Tesco last weeks. It wasn't allowed; I could have one of each or 2 of one. I had to laugh - I've just finished 4 months of chemotherapy involving some of the most toxic chemicals known to medicine. Big grin


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8378 times:

Quoting FlyingNanook (Thread starter):
Why can't they make small packages of pseudoephedrine available? Something like 24 packs (12 doses if I'm not mistaken), and have your ID checked when you buy it, much like alcohol or cigarettes. I don't really know how much you need when making crystal meth, but I would think that it has to be more than 24 pills

That used to be the way it was handled, and the meth cooks were showing their false ID's in a number of stores, and purchasing all the pseudo they wanted.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 6):
Yup, most of the good quality meth is comming over the border from Mexico now.

They can get the core ingredents much easier and in greater quantities.

We are taking steps to stop that as well. It will be harder, because corruption is rampant in Mexico.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 11):
I was in Oregon this past summer, and IIRC they have a law that getting pseudoephedrine requires a prescription (most states just put it behind the counter). Of course, all that happened when they passed the law was that addicts stopped getting their dope from local labs and started buying the really strong stuff from Mexico. Didn't do much of anything to lower meth usage.

Actually, your last statement is not correct. Meth usage has gone down.

Quote:
The study also shows that while marijuana continues to be the most commonly used illicit drug among teens, current use of marijuana has dropped by 25 percent over the past five years. And for the single year from 2005 to 2006, current marijuana use dropped by seven percent among all three grades combined. Teen use of amphetamines, particularly methamphetamine, dropped significantly. The prevalence rates for meth use in all categories, for all three grades, is either the lowest or among the lowest recorded since the question was first included in the MTF survey. Past-month use of methamphetamine among youth plummeted by 50 percent since 2001, with less than one percent (.7%) of students using meth at least once in the last 30 days before the interview.



Quoting FlyingNanook (Reply 14):
I still think it's a stupid law, because in my experience, the meth labs in the Fairbanks area haven't decreased at all, not that I go out looking for meth labs, this is just what I heard.

Ah yes, that old reliable measure, "I heard that....."

In 2004, DEA recorded over 17,000 meth lab incidents in the US. In 2005, that number had dropped to 12,484. But don't let the facts get in the way of your preconceived notions.


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12163 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8373 times:
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Quoting SlamClick (Reply 18):
Technically I think it is more of a crankdown.
A crackdown would refer to rock cocaine.

 rotfl 



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8875 posts, RR: 40
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8356 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 5):
Quoting PPVRA (Reply 4):
About a month ago or so I bought a pack of Allegra-D and had to fill out a mini-form. Now CVS has a record of how much and when I bought it.

And they say this country isn't a police state.

Well technnically it's under CVS's control. I doubt they would be passing that info along. And if I try to buy "too much" in a short period of time, they won't let me. They could call the police but I don't think they would, either.



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8875 posts, RR: 40
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8349 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 9):
They do more than you think. We've had pharmacies call us several times on people who buy a lot of pseudo. When you get calls from all the pharmacies in town, about the same people buying, you know something is up.



Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 9):
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Quoting PPVRA (Reply 22):
They could call the police but I don't think they would, either.

Nevermind. I guess they do call the police.



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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8348 times:

What amazed me was the last time I was in the Netherlands I got a really bad cold. I was stuffed up beyond belief. I was staying at the Westin in Rotterdam and I went down stairs to a small shopping plaza next door. I found a pharmacy and started looking for sudafed or equivalent. After about 20 min I couldn't find anything. I asked the pharmacist who told me that I needed a prescription for it.

Amazing. I can buy marijuana freely throughout the country but Sudafed needs a prescription! What's this world coming to?


25 F9Animal : If they suddenly put it back on the shelves, the store would be swamped with crackheads. I really enjoyed going to the store late at night, and saw t
26 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Ditto Incorrect. Most meth is home made, right here at home. And because of these "freedom curbing laws" (again ) meth use and manufacture is droppin
27 Post contains images Searpqx : !!!!!! Thank you Halls and ANC for injecting some reality into this thread. As a person with chronic sinus problems, yes, the laws are a pain in the
28 Post contains links JeffSFO : Last year Frontline broadcast a very informative episode on the Meth epidemic in the United States. To get a better idea of why those laws went into e
29 N1120A : Then you get serious about crime, not OTC medication That makes absolutely no sense at all, given that APAP and Ibuprofen are simple analgesics It st
30 GQfluffy : One simple question for this sentence- Why?
31 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Bullshit. Over-reaction on your part my friend. You're right, after Meth it'll be something else, manufactured from various and sundry chemicals inha
32 N1120A : Why what? Why should GHB still be sold in your local GNC? Because when it was, it was sold in metered quantities that didn't cause projectile vomitin
33 Post contains images GQfluffy : There's a lack of crime in the Netherlands and Denmark all because marijuana is legal, eh? How about a judicial system that actually punishes it's cit
34 N1120A : Excuse me? We have more of our population in jail here in the US than any other country in the world. Those countries have no death penalty and softe
35 Post contains images IAH777 : Don't forget formaldehyde. W(ho)TF decided embalming fluid was a great high? I agree. Losers are having much too difficult a time getting women to sl
36 Post contains links Aa757first : From Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoephedrine#United_States_Federal_Law My best guess is that making it available only at the pharmacy
37 Searpqx : And as soon as it went back to being readily available the exact same problems would reoccur. The whole point of controlling things like ephedra, GHB
38 F9Animal : While we are on the drug subject, is it true that the germans used to give their soldiers cocaine in WWII?
39 Searpqx : I don't know about cocaine, but they did give them a form of meth to help with fatigue and alertness. The rediscovery 'Nazi method' of cooking meth i
40 CaptainJon : I agree the pseudoephedrine is redicilious in the United States. Here you can pretty much get pseudoephedrine rather easily. Same with ephedrine based
41 Nancy : Meth is a terrible drug and if something is helping to curb its production, I'm all for it. I get pretty bad sinus problems too and I find that antihi
42 Post contains images KaiGywer : I think yours did the job just fine By having precursor laws, it dropped dramatically. Tweakers will shoplift so much it's not worth it. Meth is not
43 Post contains images N1120A : And a number that is absolutely false. Excellent response there GHB pre-ban was not available in concentrations needed to knock someone out. No, we n
44 Post contains links Aa757first : What works in one place doesn't work everywhere. Up here in the Mid-Atlantic region, the restrictions probably aren't necessary. In the South and the
45 Searpqx : Unless you can provide evidence to the contrary, I'll hold to my understanding that it was specifically because of the rapidly increasing incidence o
46 Dougloid : Folks, from my days as a prosecutor in a small Iowa county, there are two ways that I know of to make bootleg methamphetamine. The red phosphorus meth
47 WellHung : There is no shortage of precedent when it comes to restricting the sale of ordinary products that can be misused for dangerous or illegal activity. Tr
48 IAH777 : From where I stand, "rehabilitation" is a joke. Sure, it works for a few, but the world is full of felons who exit the prison gate on parole day sayi
49 Halls120 : Concur completely. If there is still any doubt that restricting the sale of psuedo over the counter was effective, I offer the following from the rec
50 Post contains links N1120A : Well, the massive incidence of nicotine abuse through the use of tobacco products means they should be banned too in your world. Oh, and same with al
51 Post contains images Carmenlu15 : Same here... having some pills as we speak (damn cold ). Although I can see why its sale should be restricted... Recently, the owner of a large chain
52 Post contains images Searpqx : Nothing to refute the statement, so I guess when all else fails, its time for snide comments? There never has and never will be 100% freedom, so no,
53 Post contains images DrDeke : Did you know that methamphetamine is available by prescription in the United States? It is. It's sold under the name Desoxyn and is used to treat ADD
54 ANCFlyer : Or diversion from the topic . . .
55 IAH777 : Sure. Everyone goes to the joint hoping to improve themselves. WTF good is it to learn a skilled trade if they can't get a decent gig outside? Felons
56 Post contains images Garri767 : Might need to change that to 12,485 at the end of this thread.
57 N1120A : No, I was making a valid point, a point I made earlier and you chose to ignore. This is about personal freedom, freedom to access basic health care w
58 Halls120 : That article is out of date. It was posted at 1:21 p.m. CT Jan 27, 2005. Do you even read articles you link to? Here is the state of meth usage in 20
59 Aa757first : I knew that. And just how often is that drug prescribed? Few psychiatrists are willing to write for it because of the abuse potential and few patient
60 Searpqx : There's nothing to respond to - I've already said our overall drug policy needs help. Using the logic thats applied to other addictive/harmful substa
61 THVGJP : As a pharmacist and a Ex-DEA diversion officer I can tell you its a major pain in the ass. As a pharmacist I have much better things to do than have s
62 BlueShamu330s : Quite so. The very same store at check out flagged me up for an age check (oh, how flattered was I..?!) when I tried to buy a small bottle of vanilla
63 Aa757first : Don't your CPhTs do it for you? I've never seen a pharmacist fill it out...only the CPhT or a drug aide. AAndrew
64 Dougloid : A lot depends on what they do with themselves when they get out and how strong their local roots are. And what they've learned inside, and not the st
65 N1120A : But that is the point. None of them should be banned Not particularly, considering the significant upside to Sudafed. Meth lab reduction is quite pos
66 Post contains images Halls120 : So why else have domestic meth labs closed up shop? They decided to outsource like the rest of US manufacturing? Maybe you can locate and post anothe
67 Post contains images IAH777 : Great post! Many return to the environment from where they came, which is why recidivism is rampant. Good on him! There are a few success stories, but
68 THVGJP : Thanks for asking, I only get 20hrs help, rest of the time I am running solo.The main purpose of the register is for forensic evidence, if the police
69 Halls120 : This is indeed the current trend, and one that we are working on controlling. But before we put tighter controls on psuedo, many of the small mom and
70 Aa757first : I get that now. I understand the real use of a drug log, now. Fortunately, here in PA, we don't have that much of a meth problem (for now, at least).
71 THVGJP : There have been a few labs busted in the Harrisburg area, pot,heroin,and Rx opioids are the drugs of choice out here. DEA in Philly just busted a int
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