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TSA Agents May Be Unionized Soon  
User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1273 times:

I can't wait to hear, we'd love to open more lines but the union won't let us.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...le/2007/01/08/AR2007010801474.html

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User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 40
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1269 times:

Great. Another excuse for the TSA to be lazy.


America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1269 times:

Federal Employees Unionized . . .

Talk about a double dose of Fon't Give a Damn. . . .

First, the worthless TSA - you know,the folks that couldn't find their asses with both hands and a Cavalry Scout Troop - can't function day to day without screwing something up on a grand scale . . .

And now, the worthless TSA - the same morons that can't find their asses with both hands and a Cavalry Scout Platoon - can now blame it all on the Union!

 faint 

What a nightmare. Disolve the useless operation and start over.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1252 times:

Quoting Jcs17 (Reply 1):
Another excuse for the TSA to be lazy.

Yup, yup!

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Disolve the useless operation and start over.

The TSA hasn't really accomplished squat at any of the U.S. airports. Whats the point?! But I agree with ANCFlyer!



A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29690 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1250 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):

What a nightmare.

Just what we need, Those guys couldn't find Jimmy Hoffa's body, let alone a hijacker.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1229 times:

I'm looking forward to the day the TSA goes on strike. The president fires the whole workforce, and we get some people with at least 1st grade educations protecting out airports.

User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4626 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1217 times:

I'm curious to know why they think they need a union?

Kris



Word
User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1197 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Federal Employees Unionized . . .

Talk about a double dose of Fon't Give a Damn. . . .

First, the worthless TSA - you know,the folks that couldn't find their asses with both hands and a Cavalry Scout Troop - can't function day to day without screwing something up on a grand scale . . .

And now, the worthless TSA - the same morons that can't find their asses with both hands and a Cavalry Scout Platoon - can now blame it all on the Union!

What a nightmare. Disolve the useless operation and start over.

Wonderful. I can see it now, Colleen Kelley bitching about the poor plight of the downtrodden TSA worker.  vomit 


User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3613 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1197 times:

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 5):
and we get some people with at least 1st grade educations protecting out airports.

Somehow I don't know wether it'd really be a negative change...



Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12878 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1190 times:

TSA agents have a right to be unionized for collective bargaining purposes as was included in the bill introduced yesterday in the Congress of the USA. There is no doubt that this was a major symbolic act of the now Democratic Party controlled Congress to support workers and union, where they get a lot of support and votes from major unions.
Allowing TSA agents to have a union doesn't mean they can strike, indeed that would still be forbidden, but more importantly, they can be protected in situations of 'whistleblowing', criticizing the TSA's procedures, policies, workers managers, prevent abuses of employees by their managers and assure proper procedures and legal protections in case of disipline. Indeed, this may make the TSA better by providing a more secure employment situation, thus a more productive enviroment for TSA agents and probably better security for all.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1187 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
Allowing TSA agents to have a union doesn't mean they can strike, indeed that would still be forbidden, but more importantly, they can be protected in situations of 'whistleblowing', criticizing the TSA's procedures, policies, workers managers, prevent abuses of employees by their managers and assure proper procedures and legal protections in case of disipline.

No. What it means is that we will have yet another group of federal employees who can't ever be fired for incompetence, laziness or when they physically threaten their co-workers. I know, because we have examples of all three currently working in my office, and the f-ing personnel shop won't let us take action against them.

I can tell that you really have no clue how screwed up the federal civil service is.


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1180 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 10):
we will have yet another group of federal employees who can't ever be fired for incompetence, laziness or when they physically threaten their co-workers. I know, because we have examples of all three currently working in my office, and the f-ing personnel shop won't let us take action against them.

Might I suggest you try to do what my grandfather did and have these folks declared looney. I believe you can have them removed from their jobs if declared mentally incompetent.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
they can be protected in situations of 'whistleblowing', criticizing the TSA's procedures,

You're assuming someone who can barely find their butt with both hands can have the thought processes to criticize procedures.  sarcastic 

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
Indeed, this may make the TSA better by providing a more secure employment situation, thus a more productive enviroment for TSA agents and probably better security for all.

Now that's funny. TSA does nothing more than the fast food rejects we had before them under the private contractors. Oh wait, they are the same group of folks...the paycheck just changed.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
Allowing TSA agents to have a union doesn't mean they can strike, indeed that would still be forbidden

Source? Are you thinking they will fall under the old railroad law? If they want to strike as a union I can guaran-damn-tee you they will strike. I still laugh at Tom Daschle's comment about how "you can't professionalize unless you unionize."



"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 1163 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 10):
No. What it means is that we will have yet another group of federal employees who can't ever be fired for incompetence, laziness or when they physically threaten their co-workers. I know, because we have examples of all three currently working in my office, and the f-ing personnel shop won't let us take action against them.

Spot on Halls.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 10):
I can tell that you really have no clue how screwed up the federal civil service is.

Likely THE most screwed up operation I have ever witnessed. Unless you commit a felony in the work place, your chances of being fired from Civil Service is slim to none . . .

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
Indeed, this may make the TSA better by providing a more secure employment situation, thus a more productive enviroment for TSA agents and probably better security for all.

 rotfl   faint 

Can't believe youjust said that LTBEWR . . . you're smarter than that . . .


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 1155 times:

Marvellous. The sooner they all go on strike and passenger movement thorugh US airports immediately runs more efficiently and smoothly the better  Wink


Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16927 posts, RR: 48
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 1111 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 11):
You're assuming someone who can barely find their butt with both hands can have the thought processes

This is the kind of person that unions easily attract.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3613 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 1101 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
Indeed, this may make the TSA better by providing a more secure employment situation, thus a more productive enviroment for TSA agents and probably better security for all.

When you get a chance, go to France and deal a little with the administration there to get an idea of how terribly, horribly, fundamentally wrong that statement is... Big grin



Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently offlineKBFIspotter From United States of America, joined May 2005, 729 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 1092 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 14):
This is the kind of person that unions easily attract.

Sad but true...

ANC, I agree with everything you said here... The TSA needs to be disbanded and reformed, maybe have the National Guard perform their job...

Kris



Proud to be an A&P!!!
User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 1091 times:

Quoting KBFIspotter (Reply 16):
The TSA needs to be disbanded and reformed, maybe have the National Guard perform their job...

While I agree that the TSA needs an overhaul, I think the national guard has thier hands full with a few other priorities these days.

But the TSA unionizing...Hmmm with only 3/4 flights a day at my home airport that actually screen bags, and only the AS 732C that gets passenger screening. I might just have to go sign up for this one. I see how they are out here now, the union would only make it that much worse.
Getting paid for 8 hours a day when there is only 30minutes of work realistically per agent. Ill take the pay cut, enjoy the free coffee and plane spot.


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 1082 times:

Do
Not
Let
This
Happen


Do what you must. Fight your own union if they support it. Letters to Congress, the President. File lawsuits. Anything.

When PATCO (the other stellar example of unionized bureaucrats) was talking about going on the strike that lead to their self-destruction, the Air Route Traffic Control Centers around the country gave briefings to airlines and other operators and interested parties. I attended one of these briefings on behalf of my employer, a Part 121 airline.

One of the things that was just said in passing was something about their "sabotage contingency" plans. The briefer was headed off in some other direction when a friend and I stopped him abruptly and asked him to elaborate on that.

Seems they knew if the talks deteriorated past a certain point that acts of sabotage "would be" carried out against air traffic control facilities.

This from Air Traffic Controllers, a group of people with intelligence, responsibility and education lightyears ahead of the average TSA whiteshirt.

I am not willing to have airports defended by unionized government workers.
I am a member in good standing of a labor union and my conscience and judgement just will not permit this.



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 1071 times:

Oh great, unionized Rent-a-cops......

Thankfully since these folks have come on board, I've only had to deal with them @ ATL and @ LAS. Most of the ones I've dealt with @ ATL (Most of them while I was a SIDA badged employee.) didn't have a clue, while the ones @ LAS seem to know what they're doing (At least the ones working the checkpoints to the D Gates seem to).


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8494 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 1066 times:

Why should there be any unions for government jobs? There's no reason for them except to try and get more money and benefits at the expense of taxpayers, the people who actually contribute to the economy.

Be a fountain, not a drain!


User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1055 times:

The problem is that they're just too incompetent. They're creating arbitrary rules and regulations that really make no logical or reasonable sense. For example, limiting fluid containers to 3.4oz. What the hell difference does it make if I take my 4oz container of hair gel, shaving cream, etc. ?

Another reason the TSA has their heads up their asses: Pilots need to be exempt from these kinds of laws. Yes, after the london attempted attacks, pilots had to surrender their hair gel.

And these idiots, who have failed time and time again tests of competency (undercover tests seeing if items will be caught), now want to be unionized so their standards can fall even MORE below competent? They want a Union because they don't want to be laid off for f*cking up more than once.

I'd love to see these idiots try and strike. If anyone, they'd be the ones with the balls to do it.

I still remember this wannabe in one of my college german classes (don't know how he was allowed to just take a single class at a university), who used to work for the TSA, and used to wear his ENTIRE TSA uniform, badge and all, to class. Biggest tool I've ever seen.

[Edited 2007-01-11 01:50:36]

User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1039 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 4):
Just what we need, Those guys couldn't find Jimmy Hoffa's body, let alone a hijacker.

With all due respect, I didn't think the TSA was responsible for finding Jimmy Hoffa's body. So I didn't think they were looking as hard....

But to be frank, you are correct in the statement in that they couldn't find a hijacker... What? and stop reading GLOBE and NATIONAL ENQUIRER!!!


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