Sponsor Message:
Non Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Democrats In Denver In 2008  
User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9303 posts, RR: 25
Posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1169 times:

Denver is hosting the 2008 convention.


Eternal darkness we all should dread. It's hard to party when you're dead.
15 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1168 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
FORUM MODERATOR

So it'll be Denver vs. Minneapolis Big grin


911, where is your emergency?
User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1146 times:

Quoting STLGph (Thread starter):
Denver is hosting the 2008 convention.

Good choice, the west is becoming more Democrat. This will allow Denver another shot to shine, of course the national press with think they are in the wild west.


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1132 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 1):
So it'll be Denver vs. Minneapolis

So the Democrats are holding their convention in a Red State and the Republicans are holding their convention in a Blue State. That makes sense...not.  wink 

[Edited 2007-01-11 20:44:58]

User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1130 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
FORUM MODERATOR

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 3):
So the Democrats are holding their convention in a Red State and the Republicans are holding their convention in a Blue State. That makes sense...not.

I think it does. Most exposure to fairly neutral states. I know Minnesota could go either way, don't know about Colorado. Why hold the convention where you KNOW you will win?



911, where is your emergency?
User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1128 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 4):
Why hold the convention where you KNOW you will win?

The Republicans held theirs in New York in 2004. They didn't have a snowball's chance in hell at carrying NY that year.   

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 4):
I think it does. Most exposure to fairly neutral states.

If that was the strategy, than wouldn't be a better idea to hold it in a Swing State with a much bigger influence in the election, say like, Ohio (20 Electoral Votes) Florida (27 Electoral Votes), or Pennsylvania (21 Electoral Votes), versus Colorado (with 9) or Minnesota (with 10)?

[Edited 2007-01-11 20:48:50]

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13040 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1115 times:

Good choice, although I would have liked to seen them have it in New Orleans. Guess N.O. wasn't considered due to the lack of hotels and other support services.

User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1114 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 3):
So the Democrats are holding their convention in a Red State and the Republicans are holding their convention in a Blue State. That makes sense...not.

Colorado is now a blue state. We just elected a Democrat governor and for the first time since 1962, the Democrats control the Colorado General Assembly (both the Senate and the House).

Democrats hold a 20-15 majority in the Senate and a 39-26 majority in the House.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm.../0,2777,DRMN_23906_5271368,00.html

Of the two Colorado members in the US Senate, one is Democrat and the other is Republican. Of the seven Colorado members in the US House of Representatives, four are Democrats and three are Republicans.

Also, keep in mind that while Colorado has historically been under Republican control, the City and County of Denver has historically always been under Democrat control. Currently, of the 13 city council members, only one is Republican with the rest being Democrat. The current mayor is Democrat and every Denver mayor since 1963 has been Democrat.

[Edited 2007-01-11 21:26:26]


"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1091 times:

Quoting BA (Reply 7):
Colorado is now a blue state. We just elected a Democrat governor and for the first time since 1962, the Democrats control the Colorado General Assembly (both the Senate and the House).

Um, the party of the Governor is NO Indication on how the state will vote in a Presidential election. Many "Red States" have Democratic governors and many "Blue States" have Republican Governors. Georgia has been voting Republican almost consistently since 1984 in Presidential Elections, yet they only got their first Republican governor since Reconstruction in 2002.

Quoting BA (Reply 7):
Of the two Colorado members in the US Senate, one is Democrat and the other is Republican.

That's the case with a lot of states.

Quoting BA (Reply 7):
Of the seven Colorado members in the US House of Representatives, four are Democrats and three are Republicans.

Oooo, a whopping one seat difference in a year where Democrats gained several seats in the HOR.

Quoting BA (Reply 7):
Also, keep in mind that while Colorado has historically been under Republican control, the City and County of Denver has historically always been under Democrat control

You mean like is the case with nearly every other state in the Union? Look at Illinois, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Washington, Maryland, and New York, among other Blue States. The "only" blue areas are the major cities in those states, Chicago, Philadelphia, Seattle, Baltimore, NYC, Rochester, Buffalo, etc. Looking at this map, you'd never think that Missouri barely voted for Bush over Kerry. Thank you for stating the obvious.   




Damn it's funny how some people can take one little sarcastic remark or joke or observation and blow it way out of proportion.

[Edited 2007-01-11 23:09:03]

User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1074 times:

How about you drop the attitude and respond in a calm civilized manner just as I responded in a calm civilized manner to your post?

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 8):
Um, the party of the Governor is NO Indication on how the state will vote in a Presidential election.

I never mentioned anything about how a state will vote in a presidential election.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 8):
Many "Red States" have Democratic governors and many "Blue States" have Republican Governors. Georgia has been voting Republican almost consistently since 1984 in Presidential Elections, yet they only got their first Republican governor since Reconstruction in 2002.

That's wonderful and I am quite aware of this.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 8):
Oooo, a whopping one seat difference in a year where Democrats gained several seats in the HOR.

And that one whopping seat difference is all it took to give the Democrats a majority of the Colorado US House of Representative members.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 8):
You mean like is the case with nearly every other state in the Union? Look at Illinois, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Washington, Maryland, and New York, among other Blue States. The "only" blue areas are the major cities in those states, Chicago, Philadelphia, Seattle, Baltimore, NYC, Rochester, Buffalo, etc.



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 8):
Thank you for stating the obvious.

While it is quite obvious that the larger cities of the US often are Democrat and I'm glad you acknowledge that, the fact is many have the perception that Denver is a conservative "cow town." Especially when compared to the larger older cities of the East Coast. Afterall, Denver was up against New York City, the most blue city of them all.

So yes, I did state the obvious and I'm glad you caught that.

Now tell me why you didn't comment on the make up of the Colorado General Assembly? Because you weren't able to come up with a counterargument and admit that it is a pretty big deal that the Democrats now control the Colorado General Assembly for the first time since John F. Kennedy was president?

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 8):
Looking at this map, you'd never think that Missouri barely voted for Bush over Kerry.

Nope, I'm not surprised at all that Missouri barely voted for Bush over Kerry. That map just displays which counties are blue and which are red and does not take into account population Distribution.

What you need is a cartogram. Check this page:
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 8):
Damn it's funny how some people can take one little sarcastic remark or joke or observation and blow it way out of proportion.

And it's funny to see how insecure some people are on this forum...



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1058 times:

Quoting BA (Reply 9):
I never mentioned anything about how a state will vote in a presidential election.

Then why bring it up? My comment refering to Colorado as a "red state" was the fact that they voted Republican in the 2004 Presidential Election and now the Democrats will be holding their Convention there.

Quoting BA (Reply 9):
And that one whopping seat difference is all it took to give the Democrats a majority of the Colorado US House of Representative members.

But unlike the Electoral College they don't vote as one so is there a point to be made here. Democrats also gained Congressional Seats in Colorado in 2004 and elected a Democrat (Ken Salazar) over Republican Pete Coors IIRC, yet the state still voted Republican in the Presidential Election.

Quoting BA (Reply 9):
Now tell me why you didn't comment on the make up of the Colorado General Assembly? Because you weren't able to come up with a counterargument and admit that it is a pretty big deal that the Democrats now control the Colorado General Assembly for the first time since John F. Kennedy was president?

It actually has more to do with A) the fact the politics on a local level is different from politics on a national level and B) I'm not going to comment on the local politics of a state I don't live in since I'm not familiar with them.
I already pointed about the governor of Georgia. The same was true for the state legislature, took Republicans till 2002 to win the state Senate and till 2004 to finally tip the House in their favor. Yet at a national level, the majority of Representatives and Senators coming from the South have been Republican for quite some time now.

Quoting BA (Reply 9):
Nope, I'm not surprised at all that Missouri barely voted for Bush over Kerry. That map just displays which counties are blue and which are red and does not take into account population Distribution.

What you need is a cartogram. Check this page:
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/...ction

I prefer this one:
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c334/TripleSevenPhil/ElectoralBreakDown2004.jpg


Quoting BA (Reply 9):
How about you drop the attitude and respond in a calm civilized manner just as I responded in a calm civilized manner to your post?



Quoting BA (Reply 9):
And it's funny to see how insecure some people are on this forum...

Other than a "hahaha" or just ignoring the original comment, it should not have required a thorough political anaylisis in the first place. That comment was not meant to spark political debate. It was just to point out a bit of irony from the previous Presidential Election, which is why I clearly included a " wink " face behind that comment.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1046 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 10):
Then why bring it up?

I never brought it up. Browse my post again.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 10):
My comment refering to Colorado as a "red state" was the fact that they voted Republican in the 2004 Presidential Election and now the Democrats will be holding their Convention there.

I'm well aware that Colorado voted Republican in the 2004 Presidential Elections. It was the first election that I voted in.

However, the 2004 elections was also the year that Colorado became designated as a "swing state" or "purple state" as they sometimes call them for the first time in quite a while in great contrast to the 2000 elections in which Colorado voted largely Republican.

The 2004 elections were subject to great debate here because it showed a great shift in Colorado politics. Afterwards, it was predicted by some local political analysts that the Democrats may eventually take over control of the Colorado General Assembly in the 2006 Midterm Elections and that is precisely what happened.

Even after the 2005 General Elections, some Republicans had cynically said that Colorado had turned "blue" because tax increase initiatives mainly to fund education, health care, the construction of public transportation such as light-rail, commuter rail, etc. passed when Colorado normally votes down major tax increase initiatives.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 10):
But unlike the Electoral College they don't vote as one so is there a point to be made here. Democrats also gained Congressional Seats in Colorado in 2004 and elected a Democrat (Ken Salazar) over Republican Pete Coors IIRC, yet the state still voted Republican in the Presidential Election.

Ah yes, Pete Coors...the candidate that the Republicans even didn't like.  Smile

Had Ben Nighthorse Campbell not chosen to retire, then the Republicans most probably still would have both US Senate seats for Colorado.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 10):
It actually has more to do with A) the fact the politics on a local level is different from politics on a national level and B) I'm not going to comment on the local politics of a state I don't live in since I'm not familiar with them.

In Colorado, they have always been aligned. Like I said, the Republicans have controled the Colorado General Assembly since John F. Kennedy was president which is a long time and since that time, Colorado has always voted Republican in the Presidential Elections with the exception of the 1964 Presidential Elections (Lyndon B. Johnson) and 1992 Presidential Elections (Bill Clinton). Both of these elections were considered unusually lopsided, especially the 1964 elections.

The 2006 Midterm elections are considered to be one of the most influential and important in Colorado's history because of this great shift in control from a largely Republican majority to a strong Democrat majority. How this will affect Colorado's position in the 2008 Presidential Elections is yet to be seen.

Like I said earlier, I said nothing about Colorado's position in Presidential Elections. I am only talking about Colorado's position in the government both on the state and the federal level and prior to the 2006 Midterm elections, Colorado was Republican controled and now it is not.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 10):
Other than a "hahaha" or just ignoring the original comment, it should not have required a thorough political anaylisis in the first place. That comment was not meant to spark political debate. It was just to point out a bit of irony from the previous Presidential Election, which is why I clearly included a " " face behind that comment.

I did not mean to start a political debate and like I said, I did not bring up the previous Presidential Election. It appears there was some kind of misunderstanding.

I was simply pointing out that the Democrats won Colorado in the 2006 Midterm elections, which explains why they may have chosen Denver to host their 2008 Democratic National Conventions. To celebrate their "victory."

Having said that, this article might interest you since it's about the very irony you talk about. It was published right after the 2004 Presidential Elections:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A821-2004Nov20.html

And if it makes you feel any better, I am neither Republican nor Democrat. I'm registered as an Independent and will never align myself with any political party. This is because I don't believe any political party is perfect.

I am glad the 2008 Democratic National Convention is coming here because it will give a good boost to Denver's economy. Regardless of whether the Republicans or the Democrats chose to have their National Convention here, both would boost the economy, which is what I care about.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1041 times:

Never been to Denver but, I feel it's a good choice. BTW, MSP is an excellent choice also. Global warming not withstanding, both towns tend to have more temperate weather during the Summer months. And, if I'm not mistaken, both cities are at or near the top in living/satisfaction. Both are first timers for the big party conventions. Blumberg turned his nose up at the Dems, and would not provide any funding thus, the big apple lost out in 08. We fly to both towns FL more reasons to give both parties props for their choices. Time for a change in locales and both parties can strut their stuff for voters. And, I don't think either town will have to worry about blizzards!


I'm Zippyjet & I approve of this message!
User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1031 times:

Quoting BA (Reply 11):
I never brought it up. Browse my post again.

Okay, here was my original post:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 3):
So the Democrats are holding their convention in a Red State and the Republicans are holding their convention in a Blue State. That makes sense...not  wink 

Which you followed up with:

Quoting BA (Reply 7):
Colorado is now a blue state.

I think this is where the misunderstanding occured.

Quoting BA (Reply 11):
However, the 2004 elections was also the year that Colorado became designated as a "swing state" or "purple state" as they sometimes call them for the first time in quite a while in great contrast to the 2000 elections in which Colorado voted largely Republican



Quoting BA (Reply 11):
Colorado has always voted Republican in the Presidential Elections with the exception of the 1964 Presidential Elections (Lyndon B. Johnson) and 1992 Presidential Elections (Bill Clinton). Both of these elections were considered unusually lopsided, especially the 1964 elections.

Dole barely carried Colorado with 45.8% of the vote and Clinton getting 44.4% in 1996. Hardly lopsided in favor of Dole. Had Perot not been a big factor in 1992 and 1996, the state would have probably gone Democrat in favor of Clinton. As you pointed out, they did vote for Clinton in 1992. Clinton received 40% of the vote, Bush Sr. received 35%.
Bush carried Colorado in 2000 with nearly 51% of the state vote, and Gore receiving about 42.5%. Bush again carried the state 52% of the vote in 2004 compared to Kerry's 47%, approximately 100,000 votes and an even higher percentage than in 2000.
1972, 1980, 1984, and 1988 were all electoral landslides in favor of the Republican candidate though, so those can hardly count as well.

Quoting BA (Reply 11):
How this will affect Colorado's position in the 2008 Presidential Elections is yet to be seen.

Well, I am glad you can see and admit this.  Smile

Quoting BA (Reply 11):
Like I said earlier, I said nothing about Colorado's position in Presidential Elections. I am only talking about Colorado's position in the government both on the state and the federal level and prior to the 2006 Midterm elections, Colorado was Republican controled and now it is not.

Again, I'm not going to deny what you are saying or really try to debate it. The original reasoning behind my remark was that the Democrats are holding their convention in a state that didn't vote for them and the Republicans are doing the same thing.

Quoting BA (Reply 11):
It appears there was some kind of misunderstanding.

Yea, there was. But I think we have it sorted out now.

Quoting BA (Reply 11):
Having said that, this article might interest you since it's about the very irony you talk about. It was published right after the 2004 Presidential Elections:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn....html

Interesting read. I'm not going to comment too much, but from I gather it sounds like Coors lost because he was too conservative. Had the Republicans nominated a more moderate candidate, he/she probably would have won the Senate seat (what were the figures on that race). I couldn't tell you too much. I just remember seeing Pete Coors ads and yard signs when I was in Colorado in August 2004. But I will say that through some brief research, I found Coors received 48% of the state vote while Salazar received 50% of the vote. Not exactly a landslide victory, at least for a Senate race. Usually Senate and House races are more one sided, at least in my observations.


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1012 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
FORUM MODERATOR

Quoting BA (Reply 9):
What you need is a cartogram. Check this page:
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/...ction

My head is spinning. Looks like something Picasso drew  Smile

Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 12):
, both towns tend to have more temperate weather during the Summer months.

Mpls is terrible in the summer. Early summer is fine, but late summer it's hot and humid as hell. I prefer 100 deg in San Francisco over 80 deg in Mpls (which is what is was last time I flew between the two. SFO was nice, MSP was terrible)



911, where is your emergency?
User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1009 times:

As BA's noted above, this ain't your daddy's Colorado.

In yesterday's New York Times' article, Allard’s Silence on ‘08 Breeds Speculation, focusing Sen. Allards 2008 Senate run (and probably Tancredo's and Udalls, as well), this small piece of information was embedded:

Quote:
New York Sen. Charles E. Schumer, chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, has identified the Colorado seat as one of his party’s top targets in its quest to defend and possibly expand its new 51-49 majority.

Probably isn't too much of a stretch to say if Sen. Schumer is looking to make the Senate say 55-45, he's also looking at how he can influence the state's presidential numbers in 2008.

Long story short, Even though Pelsosi and Reid may be gloating about 2006, it's all to play for again in 2008.


Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Democrats In Denver In 2008 posted Thu Jan 11 2007 17:24:43 by STLGph
The Democrats Will Win In 2008 posted Fri Mar 2 2001 16:52:22 by Matt D
John Edwards Says He's A Go In 2008 posted Sun Dec 17 2006 01:00:43 by ANCFlyer
2008 Republican Convention In St. Paul posted Wed Sep 27 2006 19:26:25 by AsstChiefMark
Actor Christopher Walken For President In 2008! posted Thu Aug 18 2005 16:29:40 by GDB
Joe Biden To Run For President In 2008 posted Mon Jun 20 2005 21:50:30 by N670UW
What Republican For Pres In 2008? posted Tue Apr 12 2005 18:41:44 by Superfly
What Democrat For Pres In 2008? posted Mon Apr 11 2005 21:40:37 by NYCFlyer
Hillary In 2008. posted Wed Feb 9 2005 15:06:02 by Galaxy5
Republican Victory In 2008 Now Guaranteed posted Thu Nov 11 2004 15:50:54 by N771AN