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One Price Hike Too Many?  
User currently offlineCxsjr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1395 times:

OK folks, so what's the most expensive toll road in the world?

Anyone who's ever been stuck on the M6 near Birmingham (UK) on a Friday night or Sunday afternoon will know what a 'god send' the M6 Toll was?

However, when it first opened, the 27 mile route cost just £2 to use. A little over 3 years on and the price has just risen to £4!! Use this both ways on a trip and you're talking, including petrol, £14 just for that part of your journey!

We drove the M6 on Friday morning and returned this morning and refused to use the toll road in either direction due to the latest price hike. Traffic in Birmingham was easy both ways therefore the toll road would've saved us nothing as the distance eaither way is about the same! What's really annoying is they tell you the toll road is clear, but they don't tell you if the M6 itself is clear!
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I know that the Toll Tunnel under Sydney Harbour was so expensive that when people didn't use it, they had to halve the cost and from what I know, it's now well utilised.

By my reckoning from what I saw today, way less than 10% of traffic on the M6 now uses the toll route and it must be at a fraction of its intended capacity?

How do these prices compare to other countries?

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User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1391 times:

Quoting Cxsjr (Thread starter):
What's really annoying is they tell you the toll road is clear, but they don't tell you if the M6 itself is clear!

GPS with traffic updates is very useful in situations like this...



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12242 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1386 times:
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Nordkapptunnellen in Norway. With 5 of us in the car, it was 310 NOK one way, and you HAVE to go back through it (it leads to an island).


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User currently offlineEI787 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1513 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1369 times:
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Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 2):
it was 310 NOK one way

WOW!  Wow! €37 each way!! That's an expensive journey!  boggled 


User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1362 times:

Mine was only 6.25USD, but that is a lot of money because of the amt of cars that go by each day.


"Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you 30 cents?"
User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1314 times:

Quoting Cxsjr (Thread starter):
What's really annoying is they tell you the toll road is clear, but they don't tell you if the M6 itself is clear!

Not quite true - they will tell you if the M6 is experiencing congestion. Usually it is whenever I travel south!



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12242 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1276 times:
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Quoting EI787 (Reply 3):
WOW! €37 each way!! That's an expensive journey!

Yeah, it leads out to the island where North Cape is located. At least the good thing in Norway is that once the tunnel is paid off, the toll is cancelled, and it can be used for free. Estimated to be paid off in 2014.

Quite a bit of traffic through there, here are the stats Jan-Oct 2006:

Total passengers: 246164
Total vehicles: 102450



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1272 times:

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 5):
Not quite true - they will tell you if the M6 is experiencing congestion. Usually it is whenever I travel south!

Hmm. In my experience they tell you the M6 is congested with "long delays" even when it isn't. Now, surely they wouldn't be trying to persuade you to go on the expensive route, would they?  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1257 times:

I don't really see why they would - the toll road is run by a private enterprise, while the main M6 and the associated warning signs are run by the Highways Agency, who don't have any jurisdiction in the running of the toll road (at least, AFAIK).


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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1251 times:

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 8):
the toll road is run by a private enterprise, while the main M6 and the associated warning signs are run by the Highways Agency,

The same Highways Agency that thinks more toll roads would be a wonderful idea, you mean?



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User currently offlineWillo From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1250 times:

With road pricing probably not far off in the UK maybe those sort of prices will become commonplace for motorway travel?

User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1248 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 9):
The same Highways Agency that thinks more toll roads would be a wonderful idea, you mean?

Doesn't neccessarily mean that the new roads have to be run by private enterprises. Though I may well be wrong on this.



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1242 times:

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 11):
Doesn't neccessarily mean that the new roads have to be run by private enterprises. Though I may well be wrong on this.

The M6 Toll was a test case, and one which the government, through the Highways Agency, desperately want to work, so that more private companies will come forward and build roads (tolls, naturally) for them. Diverting traffic on to it is good news all round for the Highways Agency. Three or four times I've been warned about "Long Delays" on the M6 only to find it running smoothly. Other people I know have made the same comment. Now it could just be a co-incidence. How much do you trust this lot in power?



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User currently offlineORFflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1221 times:

Quoting Cxsjr (Thread starter):
How do these prices compare to other countries?

We have a 17 mile long bridge tunnel here in VA. The Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel. It's currently $12.00 US one-way. If you return within 24 hours, it's only five bucks.



User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1214 times:

I am hard pressed to top the 91 Freeway "FasTrak" Express Lanes here in SoCal. It is a 10 miles stretch, and peak time eastbound will soon be going up to $9.25, which mile-for-mile, has got to be one of the most expensive tolls anywhere. As far as sheer ripoff, I haven't seen anything come close to the Verrazano-Narrows bridge in Staten Island, NY, which connects Brooklyn with the Island. Last I checked, the toll (EB only) was up to $7.

That's just a total gip.


User currently offlineEI787 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1513 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1201 times:
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Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 6):
At least the good thing in Norway is that once the tunnel is paid off, the toll is cancelled, and it can be used for free.

I wish that was the same here in Ireland. There is the M50 which is the orbital motorway around Dublin. It has had a toll since 1990 and the government has ruled out getting rid of it.

It's currently €1.90 for a car - mind you - nowhere near as much as €37!!


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1198 times:

Those "once it's paid off, it'll be free" promises are probably some of the biggest lies ever foisted upon the public by the Government. Once a toll is in place and generating revenue, it is THERE TO STAY. They are just too lucrative, low-hanging fruit cash cows to do away with.

Can anyone show me an example of a toll....anywhere in the world.....that has since been eliminated?


User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1190 times:

Quoting Matt D (Reply 14):
Last I checked, the toll (EB only) was up to $7.

It's $9.00 now.


User currently offlineORFflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1180 times:

Quoting Matt D (Reply 16):
Can anyone show me an example of a toll....anywhere in the world.....that has since been eliminated?

Here's a few just from Virginia.

Virginia Beach-Norfolk Expressway - Tolls eleminated about five years ago after the road was paid off.

The Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel, and the James River Bridge both had their tolls removed after the bonds were paid. This was more than 25 years ago.

The Richmond - Petersburg Turnpike, now I-95 had their tolls removed as well.


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1175 times:

Quoting Matt D (Reply 16):
Those "once it's paid off, it'll be free" promises are probably some of the biggest lies ever foisted upon the public by the Government.

Oh, yes. Every government everywhere does that one. We have the same with the Dartford Crossing, which is supposed to be free now.

The thing which truly infuriates me about that, is when there's been an accident in the tunnel/on the bridge, and traffic stretches back for miles. Now, to clear that, they could open the tollgates, but do they? Do they buggery.  grumpy 



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User currently offlineRichPhitzwell From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1168 times:

What does the chunnel cost to drive? When i took the train it was about 129 pounds (first class, it was cheaper than economy).

User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1162 times:

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 20):
What does the chunnel cost to drive?

You can't drive through it. You drive on to a train and it takes you across. Standard single fare is £49, but there are offers sometimes.



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12242 posts, RR: 35
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1158 times:
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Quoting Matt D (Reply 16):
Can anyone show me an example of a toll....anywhere in the world.....that has since been eliminated?

Sure, a couple from Norway:

E18 Drammen - Eliminated right away when it was paid for
Rennfast - Underwater tunnel, eliminated once it was paid for

I'm sure there are more, but those are two in areas where I've lived so I know about them. There are two kinds of tolls though, those creating revenue for future development and are staying, and those put there to pay back the cost of building a new road/bridge/tunnel.



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1155 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 22):
and those put there to pay back the cost of building a new road/bridge/tunnel.

Which they then somehow forget about cancelling. That's his point.



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User currently offlineJetstar From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1645 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1127 times:
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Quoting Matt D (Reply 16):
Can anyone show me an example of a toll....anywhere in the world.....that has since been eliminated?

The Connecticut Turnpike, most of it I-95, the state dropped all tolls about 15 years ago after a few fatal accidents at the toll booths. On one occasion a truck driver fell asleep at the wheel and plowed into a car stopped to pay the toll and the car exploded and killed everyone in the car.

The state then accelerated payment of the bonds and after paying off the bonds applied to the federal government to place the highway under the interstate highway system for improvements and maintenance. The Connecticut Turnpike has been undergoing a major renovation with replacements of almost all the bridges and rebuilding of the road surface. This was brought on when a section of the highway fell into the Mianus River in Greenwich CT one night in 1982 killing a few people who drove off the bridge just after it fell. It was determined that lack of proper maintenance and a poorly designed support system led to the failure of the support structure.

Unfortunately there are now some state and local legislators who are now proposing that tolls again be reinstalled on the highway as a source of revenue, I think they are in for a large fight on this.

Another toll that was dropped many years ago was for cars on the New York State Thruway, westbound I-287 in Spring Valley, only trucks have to pay the tolls. Just this Saturday I went through this toll area and they have just installed in the car lanes a high speed EZ-Pass lane so it looks like they are reinstating tolls for cars again, this is going to hit the commuters in the wallet


25 KaiGywer : And my point is that they actually ARE cancelled afterwards.
26 Go3Team : If you're in a 5 axle truck like I drive, when I cross it, it's $35.00 5 axle truck tolls: GW Bridge in NYC: $30 PA Turnpike - whole thing: about $11
27 Banco : Nope. Not in the case of the Dartford Crossing I mentioned. Don't know about his examples.
28 QFA380 : I think you mean the Cross-City Tunnel. Its still not all that well utilised either. The Sydney Harbour Bridge has had a toll for 75 years and the NS
29 Post contains images PlymSpotter : The M4 Toll Bridges into Wales are constantly going up as well, but alas, there is no other option when driving to South Wales from London or the Sout
30 Post contains images Banco : And they only charge you for going INTO Wales as well! Outrageous! We should be paid for going there. I assume the thinking was that only the English
31 BHXFAOTIPYYC : One price hike too many? I thought that you where referring to that theiving bastard Gordon Brown, but you were talking about roads. OK, since they bu
32 Post contains images PlymSpotter : I do agree, charging to come out would also act as another preventative measure to stop the Welsh escaping Dan
33 ScarletHarlot : Yes,the Evergreen Point Floating Bridge here in Seattle. Also known as SR 520. It had tolls that have been removed. You can still see the foundations
34 BigOrange : Try going from NJ to JFK via Staten Island. Each of the 2 bridges is $9 one way, but they only charge you in one direction. The toll booths do exist i
35 Max999 : The traffic on that bridge is horrendous and it is close to the end of its useful lifespan. There are several options on what to do with the bridge r
36 ScarletHarlot : The politicians around here don't have the guts to do anything. It's a total consensus mentality, when really, you need someone with balls to make to
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