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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1553 times:
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Over the last year, I have been trying to slowly get hte living room up to par.

Now that the construciton is done, all I have to do is buy a flat screen TV and mount it.

But I do have speakers and wire run through the wall, ready for when the TV goes in.


So my question is...what do I need?

-Do I need an receiver
-and something to plug the Hdmi cable into from the TV?
-obviously I need a DVD player or should I just get a blu ray player?


Finally, are there any decent, NON-biased websites that can explain what I might need and the wiring involved?


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User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1547 times:

Quoting Mirrodie (Thread starter):
Do I need an receiver

Depends on your TV, Some have them built in (Most New Models) But Some Dont...

Quoting Mirrodie (Thread starter):
obviously I need a DVD player or should I just get a blu ray player?

Personally i'd sit on your hands in this department, the battle is still being fought and you might end up wasting your money.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20365 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1542 times:

Quoting Mirrodie (Thread starter):
-Do I need an receiver
-and something to plug the Hdmi cable into from the TV?

You'll need a receiver to power the speakers if your cable/satellite box doesn't have a built-in amp. I pass my cable box, CD changer, VCR, etc., all through the amp. You want to make sure you get one capable of the full HD bandwidth for the best picture. My 4-year-old Pioneer amp was the only one under $2K at the time that had this capability, but I'm sure there are cheaper models out nowadays. (One of my older TVs from circa-1990 has a built-in surround sound amp with speaker plugs, RCA inputs, and S-Video--quite advanced for the era, but it's not an HD model. I've not seen anything comparable to its features to this day.) I would highly recommend passing on any amp that doesn't have full optical inputs, as you'll only be disappointed down the road.

In most HD setups I've seen, the HD cable goes into the cable/satellite box. It depends if your TV is "HD-ready" or has an HD tuner built-in. I bought my HD TV as "ready" and when they came out with a tuner for it, it cost an additional grand, so I passed on it. I'll hookup a digital HD cable box to it for the HD tuner when they straighten out the cable reception problems in my complex.



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User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1520 times:

Quoting Mirrodie (Thread starter):
I need a DVD player or should I just get a blu ray player

Get the LG model that plays standard DVD, Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. Then all your bases are covered.


User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1490 times:

Quoting Mirrodie (Thread starter):
Finally, are there any decent, NON-biased websites that can explain what I might need and the wiring involved?

Not sure of your level of knowledge, but this might help.
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/home-theater.htm

Quoting Mirrodie (Thread starter):
-Do I need an receiver

If you plan to run much more than your TV and DVD player, I would say yes

Quoting Mirrodie (Thread starter):
-obviously I need a DVD player or should I just get a blu ray player?

Depends on how picky you are about the last few percentage points of picture quality. The basic DVD format is well established and will likely be around for quite some time. If you are a big HD fan, then I would wait a little while so you don't end up being the guy who bought a BetaMax. In the mean time, a cheap DVD player will get you by. If it were me, I would just go with a high quality DVD player. HD is nice, but it is not with the money to me right now.



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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1479 times:
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Thanks for the advice so far.

I really appreciate it.

As it stands now, I have 5 speakers to hook up. And a flat TV yet to buy though I still have my eyes on the Pioneer 50 inch plasma. When I did some wiring last year, I opted to bury an HDMI cable through the wall, since I had to close the wall up anyway. I was under the assumption that any other wiring could be done through a receiver, (thinking of the receiver as an airline hub).

Looking at receivers, I found one by Onkyo that seems to permist HDMI input switching.

So since I will probably have more than 1 HDMI input and the speakers to deal with. Plus more speakers to wire to the backyard, all controlled through the same place, adding in of course the stereo, then I guess the recevier is necessary.

So I guess I am looking at a receiver, an upgraded HD cable box from the cable company, and a flat screen.

THanks for the website above as well. Any others to learn from?



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User currently offlineCha747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 784 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1473 times:

I'll tell you what I have and we can go from there (I actually wrote this before your last post...I didn't know that you wanted the Pioneer 50 inch, but here goes):

1. Pioneer 50 inch plasma
2. Denon AVR-587 receiver
3. Sony Upscaling 5-changer DVD player (not BRD)
4. Comcast HDTV+DVR cable box
5. Harmony 550 remote control (though the jury is still out on this one)
6. Klipsch 10 inch powered subwoofer
7. Speakers built-into my wall that came with my house (brand unknown)

Quoting Mirrodie (Thread starter):
-Do I need an receiver

I didn't think that I did until I actually got one. Previously I used a Sony Dreamsystem that doubles as a DVD player with home-theater all in one small box. The problem is that the way the output is calculated, it is nothing close to what is accurate and any other system (other than a dedicated receiver) does not do your speakers justice. A receiver has completely different output and circuitry and is the best way to get the true surround experience. Caution - if you buy a receiver, it won't be any good unless you invest in a powered subwoofer...what a difference it made once we hooked it up!

Quoting Mirrodie (Thread starter):
-and something to plug the Hdmi cable into from the TV?

I'm assuming that your cable/dish box has an HDMI output. Is your question, "Do I need to hook-up one HDMI cable from my box to the receiver and then from my receiver to my TV?"

For those who don't know, BTW, DVI and HDMI are interchangeable as far as picture goes, but DVI does not carry any sound. There are cables that will take an HDMI output to a DVI input on a TV but you will only get picture that way, no sound if you are relying on speakers either built-in or hooked-up to your TV.

The answer to Mirrodie's question is, if you want to save some money, you don't need an HDMI receiver. This was shocking to me, I actually bought the above receiver, returned it, got the facts, and then went and bought the same receiver again. The fact is that yes, even though HDMI carries picture and sound digitally, your cable/dish box should have an optical output. My receiver (and if you haven't looked it up by now is the low-end Denon that retails from $250-300 and is one of the few ones that has the built-in XM option with neural for XM HD surround sound and multiple zones...I can play one thing inside the house and the speakers on my deck can play something else...the most options I found in this cheapest box...other brands with all these options retail for 50-100% more) has 2 optical inputs. One is for cable and the other one is from my DVD player. Optical is, for all intents and purposes of this discussion, digital and I was advised that there would be no appreciable difference in sound quality between optical input and HDMI input. So before you spend $$$ on an HDMI receiver, you may want to take that into consideration.

How many HDMI inputs does your TV have though? If it only has 1, you either need to get a receiver with multiple HDMI inputs and 1 output, buy an HDMI hub (I think, but you may want to get a 2nd opinion about that), or get lucky like me and buy a TV with 2 HDMI inputs. As a result, I have the cable box and the DVD player each with an optical out for the audio to the receiver and each with an HDMI cable into my TV.

A word of advice about the HDMI cables (and subwoofer wire for that matter). The 12 foot ones (not sure how long you need it...we had our plasma installed on the wall) retail for $120-150 at Best Buy and Circuit City. I bought two 12 foot cables for like $50 each at Wal-mart. They are Phillips brand and on the internet, these cables can be had for even less. I asked my installer about cable quality and his response was that it will either work or it won't; it's a digital technology so it's not like analog cables that gave better signal when heavily shielded. I've got a stunning picture with the set-up that I have. He cautioned that the Monster brand (most expensive) may give a slightly better picture, but the the average viewer, there is no appreciable difference (he had some he could sell me in the truck...I didn't take the bait but it was a good try). Oh yeah...subwoofer wire. This is an analog wire so shielding and all does make a difference. That being said, I bought a 25 foot wire for like $14 (as opposed to a 15 foot wire they showed me for $50) and my infant son still shakes up and down when he's near the sub. Makes movies a blast and even regular TV a whole different experience.

Quoting Mirrodie (Thread starter):
-obviously I need a DVD player or should I just get a blu ray player?

In December 1998 my Dad and I went into Circuit City and the nice people (read: greedy/pushy salespeople) sold us a DIVX player. This was a new technology at the time with the idea being that you buy a disc for $4-5 and you could watch it once. At that point, you could buy "unlimited views" for like $12 or you could toss the disc. Needless to say, that concept failed, we got a $100 rebate on our costlier player (was just a DVD player on steroids- you'd have to connect it to the phone line to buy another view or unlimited views...crazy). The lesson that I learned was not to pay premium for a new technology. Right now you can by a regular DVD player for $50-80 and an upconverting one from $80-150. Why pay $500-1500 for a BRD when, even though you can watch regular DVD's on it, there is a grossly limited number of BRD movies that are available?

I didn't find any one website useful. I made diagrams of how I ideally wanted to hook things up (same TV and cable box with different receivers/DVD players) and that's when I talked to the Best Buy guy and realized that I didn't need an HDMI receiver to get the best digital sound quality. Let us know what you're getting (or what you have) and maybe all us AV geeks can come-up with a solution for you. Reviews on the internet of each product gave subtle hints and the aggregate made my home theater installation a breeze and solidified my expectations (needless to say, the TV has exceeded my expectations...if it lasts, I'm hooked on Pioneer TV's for life!)

BTW - I knew nothing about any of this before, like, December 15...it's amazing what you can learn in a month! Good luck and let us know how we can help.

The XM option requires that you buy an additional $60 worth of hardware (includes antenna) and then subscribe to the service. I have XM in both my cars but we haven't added the receiver yet (probably will before baseball season).

The Harmony 550 remote is made by Logitech. In theory, an excellent idea as it really does replace 4 remote controls with one sleek SOB of a remote control. You go on the internet, input all your equipment, and the hook the remote control to the computer via USB and it downloads all the commands (and "activities" such as turning everything on to watch TV, or a DVD, or FM stereo, etc). And if it still is missing a button, you can hold your remote next to it and have it learn the codes! As a matter of fact, it is faster and more responsive than the Comcast remote that came with my box. It does have a few bugs though (when a specific device like cable box is picked, the voluem does not default back to the receiver unless you go back and choose to command the receiver alone) but I've been told that I can iron those out.

Chattanooga 747

Edit for spelling and for adding completeness to my initial comments.

[Edited 2007-01-16 07:13:26]


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User currently offlineRichPhitzwell From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1468 times:

If you want a true diagram of how to connect everything...write me. Being your walls are already dry walled up, this is probably pointless. So all im going to say is beware of marketing, they will sell you anything. In most products that you use everyday....the cheap stuff works great for your needs.

User currently offlineCha747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 784 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1463 times:

Oh yeah...don't get me started about Plasma vs LCD/DLP. In short (I promise) all the disadvantages that are listed for plasma have, for the most part, been addressed and are no longer disadvantages (burn-in, product life) especially if you are buying higher end like Panasonic or Pioneer. Good luck with the entry-level stuff. Consumer reports rated the Panasonic 1st and the Pioneer that I have 4th, but I saw them side by side at the store with HD input and there was no comparison!


You land a million planes safely, then you have one little mid-air and you never hear the end of it - Pushing Tin
User currently offlineKevinL1011 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 48
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1450 times:

It's very simple Mirrodie. All you need are a few of these...


Signed,
MattD


If you plan to party, you'll need one of this and some groovin' tunes.



Regards,
Superfly


All of that solid state junk is crap! There's no way to get any power out of a microchip. Step up to the plate with one of these babys and plenty of 12" speakers.



I hope this helps.
Zippyjet


You are a broken record player.



No signature needed.

 biggrin 



474218, Carl, You will be missed.
User currently offlineCha747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 784 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1423 times:

One more hint - check-out the 5070 model of the Pioneer 50 inch plasma. The 5071 is made exclusively for Best Buy, apparently only has an extra, smaller remote control, and is $500-750 more than the 5070. I opted for the 5071 only because I wanted Best Buy to do my entire install.


You land a million planes safely, then you have one little mid-air and you never hear the end of it - Pushing Tin
User currently offlineRichPhitzwell From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1418 times:

[quote=KevinL1011,reply=9]KevinL1011 From United States, joined Mar 2005, 1689 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, quote]

That is fing bitching man. I would love some old arse system like that.


How about one of these lil babies. The last system I put together was a 6x2 wall. would be pretty cool for super bowl. Think about it, 12 120" screens with seamless frames...makes me wet just thinking about it. Unfortunatly I couldnt take any pics as it was a classified project in a very secure location.... Angry


[Edited 2007-01-21 05:47:26]

[Edited 2007-01-21 05:48:42]

User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1366 times:
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THanks cha, I'll remember that.

What did Best Buy ( assume Magnolia) charge for the install?



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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1320 times:
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Well, the time to buy has come. I spent a bit of time researching last night.

After careful consideration, I have to reneg on the plasma. I was really looking to get that Pioneer Plasma 50 inch. But when I sat in the room where it would have been installed, I realized something.

We have 2 rows of lights in the ceiling, (look like runway lights). And they lead to where the TV would be mounted. With a plasma TV there, that would reflect and cause some reflections, thereby 'doubling the length of the runway we see.' So I guess plasma is out. Do't want todeal with the eflections. And what is with that, anyway? Why the reflections?

I digress...


So we've turned our interest to 2 LCDs,


the Samsung 46" LN- 4696D set vs the Sony Bravia XBR2 46" set. Both are 1080P which is nice for future consideration.


Anyone have comments on these?



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User currently offlineRichPhitzwell From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1309 times:

Any screen will have reflection...usually you just tilt it down a couple of degrees and it takes care of the reflection. I thought you were mounting this to the wall...is that not the case?

http://chiefmfg.com/store/results/flat_panel/?product_category_id=5091


This mount is really easy to install and give you alot of flexibility...but the wall needs to be able to withstand at least 5x the weight or more especially with any mount able to be retracted.


http://chiefmfg.com/store/detail/?product_id=80872

If you can, fur out the wall so that the plasma/lcd front is flush with the wall with a 2" gap around the edges. Thats a nice clean way of doing it.

Anyways, good luck.
Edited for this, after looking at your pic...probably wouldnt be worth furring out the wall.

[Edited 2007-02-09 02:59:01]

User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1259 times:
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http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e125/mirrodie/plasmalcdwallcopy.jpg

well the TV and receiver are on their way. Stay tuned as the areas labeled A,B, and C will look a bit different soon  Smile



Now the only problem is waiting it out to see what format will remain....Blue Ray or HD DVD.. just like VHS vs Beta Max back in the day


My guy says Blue Ray only b/c of the marketing and the early entry into hte market in the PS 3 game console. But only time will tell.


Of course, I do have room left on the shelf for one of these though



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User currently offline777DadandJr From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1516 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1257 times:

Quoting Mirrodie (Thread starter):
Now that the construciton is done, all I have to do is buy a flat screen TV and mount it.

Make sure your new TV has an ATSC/NTSC and a QAM tuner built in. That way you have all your bases covered and you will be "somewhat" future proofed.

Russ



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User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3347 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1233 times:

We just got a new home entertainment system. Maybe you want to look into having your system professionally installed, if it is a complex system. We have Focal speakers. Two in the front, two built into the wall at the back of the family room and an amp. We have a Mitsubishi flat screen, which is comprised of the actual TV and a control box. We also have an electric purifier (I think that's the correct term), a VCR/DVD player, iPod jack, a PS2 hooked up to it and the cable box.

We couldn't have possibly have installed it without professional help. The remote has an LCD screen and it took seven hours for the technician to program it. We got everything except the VCR/DVD player and cable box from Tweeter.

AAndrew


User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1231 times:
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The TV is equipped with a built-in NTSC analog tuner, as well as an ATSC HDTV off-air tuner.

I am not knowledgeable about the QAM. Please explain.

Thanks AAndrew. It's going to be a prifessional install. I have no problems leveling and mounting it but my wife and friend were pressuring me to do it so I heeded their advice.


I guess I'll sit back and have a beer while I watch them install it. Will psot pics as soon as its done.



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User currently offline777DadandJr From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1516 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1224 times:

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 18):
I am not knowledgeable about the QAM. Please explain.

A QAM tuner give the TV the capability to access digital cable and HD programing without the set top box provided by the cable company. It is likely that the QAM tuner will be more in demand when the full HD rollout occurs.

One drawback is that the QAM is not "addressable" by the cable company. In other words, it will recieve but not transmit.

One the plus side, many, including me, have standard analog cable. With the QAM, I can access the HD digital channels on my standard cable.

Check here for a more detailed explanation.
http://www.answers.com/topic/qam-tuner-1


Russ



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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1220 times:
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THanks Russ. As you were typing that, I was researching that. The TV I got has the QAM tuner as well.

Now, this is interesting. It does NOT have the CableCard slot capability, which I really don't need.


But if I understand correctly, the CableCard allows one to access cable without a set box, right? And so does a QAM tuner, right?



So does having a QAM tuner negate the "need" for a cablecard?


I love learning about all this confusing jargon! Big grin



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User currently offlineRichPhitzwell From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1218 times:

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 20):
So does having a QAM tuner negate the "need" for a cablecard?

None of this matters being all you have is the hdmi cable going to the lcd.

If you had any other cable going to the lcd could consider these options, but does it really matter when you have the bi@thing reciever  Wink


User currently offline777DadandJr From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1516 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1214 times:

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 20):
So does having a QAM tuner negate the "need" for a cablecard?

Basically, yes. The cablecard has never really caught on and will probably go the way of the Dodo bird.

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 21):
None of this matters being all you have is the hdmi cable going to the lcd.

HDMI has nothing to do with the signal coming into your set. You still need to have a cable or SAT signal. The HDMI is a high speed, fully digital, inter-component connection, capable of carrying ful HD signals from component to component.
It replaces the old standard RCA connectors, S-Video and such.

Russ



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User currently offlineRichPhitzwell From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1212 times:

Quoting 777DadandJr (Reply 22):
HDMI has nothing to do with the signal coming into your set.
Understood, but the incoming cable is in a different location than the LCD. From that location to the LCD is only an hdmi cable. hence it doesn't matter if he has all the capabilities in his lcd without having the rj6 cable from the street ran directly to the lcd.

Edited for spelling

[Edited 2007-02-15 23:50:41]

User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39686 posts, RR: 75
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1194 times:

WOW, that is some cool gear!  Wow!

KevinL1011;
I go to that Imperial Club website and have never seen that ad. I knew nothing of that tape until now. I am so glad opened this thread. Now there is another 8track on my 'must get list'.
I am sure that would go great for my cocktail parties.  Smile


Mirrode:
I remember you started a thread about this a few years ago. Have you considered which brand of reciever your going to go with?


By the way,
That is a sweet quadraphonic reel deck you used as an example. Since space is an isse, this modern, sleek Akai GX-77 would fit perfectly on your shelf.



http://k-nisi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/gx-77-h.jpg



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25 Post contains images Mirrodie : Yeah baby!!   RichPhitzwell knows my saga in depth. In Fall 2005, I started ripping out the Living room ceiling and while the rafters were exposed,
26 RichPhitzwell : one little disclaimer...Some vhs and other equipment may be under the specs for your reciever to scale up. But who uses those anymore. Your reciever s
27 Post contains links J_Hallgren : I didn't read all the above posts, but just wanted to post a link to a forum site that I got a lot of good info from about this area of electronics: h
28 Superfly : Perhaps people that have older videos that will never be re-issued on DVD.
29 Lehpron : Side question: does video feeding via HDMI from HTPC's imply higher frame rates than via DVI, i.e. uncompressed video means no bottlenecking?? That is
30 Post contains links Mirrodie : well, the deed is finally done. -46" flatscreen 1080P tv -receiver w/ THX2 capability sound and HDMI switching -cable box -5 in-ceiling speakers and c
31 Post contains links and images Mirrodie : OK, we've got the PS2, cable and vcr, as well as CD hooked into the receiver, most of the compenents are buried in the shelf or in the cabinet. Got 5
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