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Miami And The Rest Of The Country.  
User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2360 posts, RR: 26
Posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3571 times:

Miami is a very different city from the rest of the United States.

Huge Hispanic population and culture make it feel like you were outside of the U.S.. But many find that this exact culture makes most Americans uncomfortable because it is different. Those who don't speak Spanish can't deal with hearing it all over the city, with language being the number one problem most Americans have with Miami.

But what about all other non-Spanish speaking groups in Miami? They still contribute to the overall culture in Miami without having Spanish as their language. But many Americans still feel like their culture is not American culture.

I grew up in Miami and can say that being bilingual is something that is of great advantage. I feel like speaking Spanish while others who don't are around is rude. And also agree that speaking the official language of the country you are in is a must.

I find that Miami is a city that has evolved into it's own, and just because it is not your typical American city it is still American. The United States is changing fast, some say for the better, and some say for the worst.

I wrote this to find out more opinions on Miami and Hispanic culture in the U.S., because these are important parts of American culture.

AA767400


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User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3563 times:

Quoting AA767400 (Thread starter):
I feel like speaking Spanish while others who don't are around is rude

If avoidable, that statement is true for all languages. ESPECIALLY if you're talking ABOUT the person who doesn't understand.

Quoting AA767400 (Thread starter):
I wrote this to find out more opinions on Miami and Hispanic culture in the U.S., because these are important parts of American culture.

I've not visited the city, however i was surprised at the airport. Everywhere there were signs in spanish. I Even tried to ask a porter to help me with my bag and i wasn't sure he understood me correctly.

I'm not so arrogant to expect everyone to speak the same language of me but it definatly threw me off guard because i was in "America" not Spain. Then again, It didnt really get to me for long and i just accepted it and moved on to the hotel.



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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3561 times:

I've never been in Miami. From a visitor's perspective, I wouldn't have any difficulty with the concept that it is multilingual and multicultural.

However, the question is not so clear as to whether I would feel as comfortable if I were to live there. I would have to think about how I would react if I were to be faced with cultural influences fairly alien to me on a daily basis. I think that I would eventually start feeling a bit of alienation from all the non-Anglo influences, and I say this without any particular point of pride. Speaking frankly, I'm not entirely comfortable seeing places in Los Angeles where I can't read the store signs because they're in a different language; and I feel that there is a certain distancing that people engender when they speak in a non-English language in public. I wonder if this can be avoided?

It's interesting to me that, as a visitor, I would perceive things quite differently in that way. It makes me question the truth of the idea of multiculturalism even as to the putatively "harmless" aspect of it, when it comes down to it, and this is even though I would like to believe that a dash of multiculturalism is a beneficial thing.

Generally speaking, I am happy to live in Southern California, with the exceptions noted above. I would imagine that living in Miami would be fairly similar.

[Edited 2007-01-16 00:57:35]

User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3545 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 2):
Speaking frankly, I'm not entirely comfortable seeing places in Los Angeles where I can't read the store signs because they're in a different language; and I feel that there is a certain distancing that people engender when they speak in a non-English language in public. I wonder if this can be avoided?

You have some problems. I speak Polish to friends and family most of the time in public or whenever the hell I damn well please. I dont see what the distancing is. Every city in America has this and I see nothing wrong with it. Chicago has Polish, Spanish, Serbian...Detroit Arabic and Miami Spanish. I dont see how you can feel uncomfortable with such a thing as a store sign in a different language.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3537 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 3):
Every city in America has this and I see nothing wrong with it. Chicago has Polish, Spanish, Serbian...Detroit Arabic and Miami Spanish. I dont see how you can feel uncomfortable with such a thing as a store sign in a different language.

It's simply a matter of practicality. How should I figure out whether a store has what I want, for example, if I can't even tell what it's selling?


User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3525 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 4):
It's simply a matter of practicality. How should I figure out whether a store has what I want, for example, if I can't even tell what it's selling?

Then that is the stores problem. You Have to be able to get over your own in-security and actually go inside to find out what they sell.

Thats if you're honestly care what they sell, and if you dont... Then it shouldnt matter WHAT language the store name is written in...

Lets be honest, would you avoid shopping at Wall-Mart if it was written in greek?



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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3519 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 4):
It's simply a matter of practicality. How should I figure out whether a store has what I want, for example, if I can't even tell what it's selling?

So youre saying a store should have something written in English for your convenience when most people in that area would rather have it in their language? Obviously youre not the customer who that store is focusing on if you cant read it.


User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3513 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 3):
Chicago has Polish, Spanish, Serbian

Aye! Don't forget us Micks! And don't say that we don't speak a different language. With 8 pints of Guiness in me it sounds like I'm speaking gaelic.

Signed,
An Irish-American Raised In Chicago


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3510 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 6):
So youre saying a store should have something written in English for your convenience when most people in that area would rather have it in their language?



Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 5):
Thats if you're honestly care what they sell, and if you dont... Then it shouldnt matter WHAT language the store name is written in...

I don't mind if the sign is in a foreign language in areas populated by the people who speak it, as long as it's also in English.

There is also the question of integration to be considered.


User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2360 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3505 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 3):
I speak Polish to friends and family most of the time in public

I do the same in Spanish. I can't help but speak in their native language especially if they don't understand when I speak to them in English.

But my family is from Puerto Rico where both English and Spanish are official, and they fly back and forth between the mainland and Puerto Rico often. So when it comes to that generation learning English completely is a hard objective. Especially when you frequent both worlds.



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8133 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3498 times:

AF, perhaps you simply have a deep-seated insecurity about this sort of thing.

I've lived in Japan for two years and could easily complain about the non-anglo influences manifested before me on a daily basis. Guess what? I don't...because I choose to be here. (Incredibly, other expats do complain about that very thing...then go back where ya came from!)

Just as you chose to live in one of the most multiethnic metropolises in the world.

[Edited 2007-01-16 02:01:23]


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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3492 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 10):
AF, perhaps you simply have a deep-seated insecurity about this sort of thing.

Maybe it's insecurity, but maybe it's legitimate concern that balkanization is a rather dangerous thing. Language is one of the few things that unite people in this country, and if you dispense with it as a sort of societal glue, then the polity is all the weaker.


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8133 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3485 times:

I would argue it's the pursuit of a mostly unattainable lifestyle that unites most Americans...but that's just me.


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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3483 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 12):
I would argue it's the pursuit of a mostly unattainable lifestyle that unites most Americans...but that's just me.

I would say that it's more than one thing. Pursuit of the "American Dream" is also part of the equation, that's for sure.


User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3467 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 8):
There is also the question of integration to be considered.

Ahhh the old "What About Integration" question.

The only people who care about "Integration" are those who have a problem with accepting "Integration".

Simple... Accept that there are stores with signs not in english and you've just "integrated"...



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User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3466 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 6):
So youre saying a store should have something written in English for your convenience when most people in that area would rather have it in their language? Obviously youre not the customer who that store is focusing on if you cant read it.

Nobody cares what you do and how you talk at home, you can even have little Poland if want. However you're still in the United States. Aerospacefan was trying to make the point that much of LA has turned into little Mexico, not just a few stores.

Quoting AA767400 (Thread starter):
Miami is a very different city from the rest of the United States.

Huge Hispanic population and culture make it feel like you were outside of the U.S.. But many find that this exact culture makes most Americans uncomfortable because it is different. Those who don't speak Spanish can't deal with hearing it all over the city, with language being the number one problem most Americans have with Miami.

I went to Miami and didn't feel like I wasn't in the U.S. It is very obvious that there is a definite Cuban and Latin influence however I really enjoyed the atmosphere over there and the whole Miami culture. Very different from LA where all you see is ghettos and poverty.


User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2360 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3450 times:

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 15):
Aerospacefan was trying to make the point that much of LA has turned into little Mexico, not just a few stores.

Los Angeles has many areas where stores with languages other than English are present, not just Spanish. And for the record, Los Angeles is a Spanish named city as well as MANY streets and areas in California and the Southwest due to that area being yes, part of Mexico and before that Spain.

It never turned into "Little Mexico", It has always had that culture even before the Yankees came in. It just increased even more.



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8133 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3442 times:

It never turned into "Little Mexico", It has always had that culture even before the Yankees came in. It just increased even more.

Bravo, sir. Someone knows the real Los Angeles  Smile



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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3433 times:

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 15):
Nobody cares what you do and how you talk at home, you can even have little Poland if want. However you're still in the United States. Aerospacefan was trying to make the point that much of LA has turned into little Mexico, not just a few stores.

The United States does not have an official language.

Neither does it have laws for ordering private businesses to label anything in English.

Maybe we should change the name of Los Angeles also? While we are at it lets change San Diego and San Francisco...oh wait you see the trend there in names...wonder why they are not English based...lets ponder a moment more and see just where that influence came from and in what age. Yes thats right, an age way before Americans acquired CA.

If you dont like it then try to change it by suggesting such a law and pushing your representative from the House to vote yes for the new immigration bill which would label English the official language, until then stop bitching about nothing and learn another language...something thats as hard for an Anglo-Saxon American to do as acquiring a passport.


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8133 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3427 times:

Hey, I'm trying my best but Japanese wasn't offered in my high school. I took four years of Spanish instead. It's a lot harder to learn as an adult - someone decided to make all of the grammar backwards!  Wink


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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3416 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 18):
The United States does not have an official language.

Well, it's a bit more complicated than that.

Please see, e.g.:

http://www.us-english.org/inc/

I appreciate the comments in this thread; I think it is important to balance concerns for integration with due regard for diversity.

Special recognition is offered to the contribution of AirWillie6475, which is much appreciated.

For those who are interested, both California and Florida recognize English as each state's official language. Please see, e.g.:

California's Constitutional provision enshrining the English language as the official language of California:

http://www.proenglish.org/issues/offeng/states.html#ca

Florida's Constitutional provision regarding same as regards Florida:

http://www.proenglish.org/issues/offeng/states.html#fl

[Edited 2007-01-16 04:35:19]

User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3388 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 18):
The United States does not have an official language.

Wow.....

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 18):
Maybe we should change the name of Los Angeles also? While we are at it lets change San Diego and San Francisco...oh wait you see the trend there in names...wonder why they are not English based...lets ponder a moment more and see just where that influence came from and in what age. Yes thats right, an age way before Americans acquired CA.

You're saying people have the right to come over here, most illegaly, and change our ways so they don't have to assimilate because a couple of names are in Spanish?


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3373 times:

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 5):
Thats if you're honestly care what they sell, and if you dont... Then it shouldnt matter WHAT language the store name is written in...

Lets be honest, would you avoid shopping at Wall-Mart if it was written in greek?

It's "Wal" not "Wall" (only one l), just for future reference, named after Sam Walton, the founder.
But don't be ridiculous. If the name of a restuarant or store was written in Greek, I would know they most likely sell Greek food or Greek products. But if the menu was also in Greek, I wouldn't have a clue as to what I'm ordering.

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 18):
Maybe we should change the name of Los Angeles also? While we are at it lets change San Diego and San Francisco

Eh, the "The Angels Angels" (Los Angeles Angles) sounds pretty stupid.  wink 

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 15):
I went to Miami and didn't feel like I wasn't in the U.S. It is very obvious that there is a definite Cuban and Latin influence however I really enjoyed the atmosphere over there and the whole Miami culture.

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No different than being in Hawaii from the culture standpoint, though most of the locals do speak English.

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 21):
You're saying people have the right to come over here, most illegaly, and change our ways so they don't have to assimilate because a couple of names are in Spanish?

I think what he's saying is that the people who live in states like CA, FL, TX, etc. live in areas once controlled by Spain and Mexico before being cotrolled by the United States, hence the reason for Mexican culture having influence in the area.


On this subject, I will say this though: Don't come to my country and expect me to learn your language. You came here. My same philosophy applies for Americans going to other countries. Don't get pissed at locals who don't know English. I get amused when teams on the Amazing Race get pissed because they cant find someone who speaks knows English. Ummm, you're in their country genius.


User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3353 times:

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 21):
You're saying people have the right to come over here, most illegaly, and change our ways so they don't have to assimilate because a couple of names are in Spanish?

Most immigrants in the USA are here legally, and most of the asimiliate quite well. Quit your bitching and moaning because its something thats been going on in the USA since 1776.

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 21):
Wow.....

Whats wow about this? There is no federal law that says this. Heres a good one, the official language of New Mexico is English and Spanish.

Grow up, you're 16-20 and you dont know squat about what it means to learn a different language from the start and be dropped in a different culture not knowing a word. I came to the USA in 93' when I was 8 years old not even knowing how to say Hello and scored a 36 on the English comprehension part of that joke of a test called the ACT. Stupid statements like "I dont think its right to see a storefront in a different language" only come out of people who have never been outside of their suburb. Quit moaning because globalization has not been going on since yesterday.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 20):
I appreciate the comments in this thread; I think it is important to balance concerns for integration with due regard for diversity.

Special recognition is offered to the contribution of AirWillie6475, which is much appreciated.

You two have nothing to do with integration but everything to do with insecurity and some bullshit dream that you think everyone must adjust their signs to English because you cant buy a carpet from a Turkish guy.

No one is asking you to speak Spanish in any official government place so I dont see what the fuss is. If you have a problem with illegal immigration thats fine, but a sign in Spanish has nothing to do with that. Plenty of signs in Chicago's Greektown but I hardly think there are alot of illegal immigrants from Greece there...if any.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3351 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 23):
If you have a problem with illegal immigration thats fine, but a sign in Spanish has nothing to do with that.

Signs in whatever language, appropriate to the ethnic district, are fine, so long as there is also an English-language version of whatever it is that the signs says.


25 Aaron747 : On this subject, I will say this though: Don't come to my country and expect me to learn your language. You came here. My same philosophy applies for
26 AirWillie6475 : No $hit, now come to Los Angeles. You are very ignorant. How can you say this as if you know me. Do you? Whether you like it or not, the guy has the
27 TedTAce : Part of what ruined it for me as a Miami native (besides HAVING to speak Spanish to get a decent job) was the bilingual kids transposing in and out of
28 Miamiair : Que pasa meng. How U doin? Vamos a lonchear. I know what you mean, but the same can be said of all the kids wanting to use ebonics. I don't have a pr
29 TACAA320 : Of course they have. It's English.
30 Post contains images AerospaceFan : I was wondering when folks were going to mention that 28 states have adopted English as their official language! (It's all explained above at Reply 2
31 LOT767-300ER : Because if that were to be true, than you wouldnt say the things that you say and you would have a totally different opinion. Little Poland? Haha oh
32 Post contains links TACAA320 : Getting the facts straight for the second time. Official language: English! "FLORIDA CONSTITUTION, ARTICLE II, SECTION 9 (1988) (a) English is the of
33 Post contains images AerospaceFan : ^^ That certainly seems familiar!
34 Post contains images TACAA320 : Now get yours straight !
35 Zippyjet : Miami, Miami Beach and for that matter Florida is fantastic to visit but, I wouldn't want to live there. Part of the magic, glamor and allure is visit
36 Tsaord : Im learning spanish. I hope to be fluent one day...more so for travel and since I work at an airport its very useful. But I do wonder about people I s
37 AirWillie6475 : You keep saying that, that's nothing special. Some people swam to get to this country. What does that have anything to do this conversation?
38 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : Honestly you lack basic comprehension skills. I wrote USA and you gave me a quote from the FLORIDA constitution. Look at Reply 18. Let me now tell yo
39 Post contains links LOT767-300ER : TACAA320...refute this son. http://july.fixedreference.org/en/20...kipedia/List_of_official_languages "The USA Federal Government does not have an off
40 Copaair737 : If you come to the United States, you should learn English. One can hold onto their customs and traditions, but you should learn English. If people im
41 AeroWesty : Is this thread really about Miami?
42 Copaair737 : I think its more about the Miami experience, and immigrants assimilating actually. -Copa
43 Post contains images KaiGywer : Haha, me and a friend almost got kicked out of a taxi because the cab driver didn't want us talking Norwegian. "If you guys don't stop talking that f
44 Miamiair : Nope. ASF is trying to derail the thread. Be on the lookout for ASF to start yet another thread, why English must be on all advertising.
45 Post contains links TACAA320 : Yes. I was talking about Florida. Not the rest of the country. I admit my error, BTW, Isn't this thread about Florida also? The title is " Miami And
46 Post contains images KaiGywer :
47 TACAA320 : And who is going to be the Professor? You ? No thanks. My interest at this time is the Roman Law, not the Common Law. Once again, I was talking about
48 KaiGywer : Then you should have made that clear in the first place. Now you're doing an olympic exercise in backpaddling.
49 TACAA320 : I did it. Just take a look. " target=_blank>http://www.proenglish.org/issues/off...ml#fl
50 KaiGywer : Once again, LOT767-300ER said that the United States does not have an official language. You then come back with a "getting the facts straight for th
51 AirWillie6475 : Kaiguyer and LOT767, you guys forgot to take your medicine? Or do you guys need something special? If you ask a kid in the jungles of the Zulu nation
52 Bongo : Also is Las Vegas Also is New Orleans Also is New York ....I guess
53 LOT767-300ER : So what? Most of the USA is protestant and founded by Protestants. That doesn't mean we have to force everyone to have a King James Bible in their ho
54 Post contains images Zippyjet : You forgot Baltimore, Md. USA! Where else can you end every sentence/phrase with Hon? Beehive hairdos? Mullets are still in vogue? BTW to our thread
55 Tsaord : I, as an American would support my country having an Official language. I, as an American, support people who come to this country legally for whateve
56 KaiGywer : I never said anything about that. Like LOT said, it's the de facto language, but not official. I would love to see English as the official language,
57 AA767400 : Miami is unique to all those other cities you mentioned. Reason? Language! NYC has many languages and not just one. New Orleans is still a major Engl
58 Captaink : I am partly New Yorker, and find that it is also a city unlike any other in the US, due to the large influx of culture. You have people very distinct
59 Waterpolodan : I've lived in Miami my entire life (with the notable exception of college, which has brought me to new orleans) and I have nothing but good things to
60 ME AVN FAN : I visited Miami twice over the years. It is amazing. People there and driving style and the language actually spoken make you feel not to be in the US
61 Par13del : I visit Miami a lot, matter of fact we Bahamians do a lot of our shopping there, it is an interesting city, the State of Florida even more so. I think
62 ME AVN FAN : but where a minimal knowledge of some basic 33 words of Spanish IS essential ! - in fact the 99,987% rule -
63 Captaink : I took a taxi from my hotel to downtown once, and the cab driver could not speak english and we were trying our best to get me to understand what he
64 Post contains images KaiGywer : When I was on vacation in Miami, some old dude came up to us to give us directions (I think we looked lost...lol). When he heard we spoke English, he
65 MIAMIx707 : Listen tough guy, I totally understand speaking polish to your mom or familiy but you start speaking Polish nonstop in front of me (assuming I'm part
66 KaiGywer : And it would be just right. I go to their country, I expect to not understand anything, unless I study some phrases beforehand. Haha, I wish...were t
67 FlyMIA : I agree that alot of entertainment is not cheap, but it is that way in any large city. But there are plenty of things for young people to do, as you
68 ME AVN FAN : - why? what is the problem if store-signs are in a language non-understandable to you ? IF they are interested in doing business they will have multi
69 MIAMIx707 : I feel bad for all the spring breakers and whoever was in Miami for Ultra weekend last year at the end of March. It got down to the 50s! and felt lik
70 MIAMIx707 : I could be wrong, but maybe you haven't lived anywhere else? I kinda contradicted myself there however, I mean to say Miami is always happening, it's
71 FlyMIA : Your right about there is not much to do until you start driving. But its not like underage people dont go into clubs in South Beach, because we do.
72 JJJ : Would it have made a difference if that couple were still actively ignoring him but were white and spoke English? That's a case of blatant rudeness a
73 MIAMIx707 : It's not the language it's the culture, even as ignorant as you living in Spani might think "white" people are (and sometimes that's the case) they h
74 FlyMIA : I agree the clubbing does get old, I dont do it much but I have friends who started to stop doing it as much. But yes kids want to leave Miami for co
75 JJJ : Pure BS. I'm "white", btw. Even taking your assumption of better manners on average as true, it's not your problem. You're free to mix with/shop in/w
76 ME AVN FAN : you before mentioned both "Hispanics" and Germans misbehaving. And the behaviour of those "kids" in that shop can be found in many places, also in Sw
77 AA767400 : How ignorant can you be? Because of two people you are going to stereotype the entire group together? You don't even know how to place them! You stat
78 ME AVN FAN : A) I would have blamed him, for conclusions based on 2 persons B) what is wrong with an "Indian guy com....out " ?
79 TACAA320 : Don't expect to much from MIAMIx707. That's the way he use to be. Usually. I already know that. Right!
80 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : Im sorry I almost missed this! Another well-informed supposition by MAF.. maybe from TACA or some kiddo but from a know-it-all of these boards like y
81 Post contains images AA767400 : It is not that white and black. I was born on the island and went back and forth to the mainland and island several times when I was younger. I have
82 MIAMIx707 : I love it how some tourists think they know a place because they "visited" ..so typical of a.net ok so you're American, great. Tio, si no sabes nada
83 JJJ : No, I'm not American. Besides the ad hominem stuff, I still see you're not addressing the point: Why are you picking on a couple of lazy minimum wage
84 ME AVN FAN : - That Indian who apparently was/is the manager there in my view did NOT do his job in regard to supervision and instruction. To say it again, you ca
85 ME AVN FAN : - Thanks for the clarification. That you state NOT to belong to the "we no longer are at home at home" crowd is positive ! - -- you have not read my
86 Post contains images AA767400 : Hello RootsAir, I think we have a contradiction here with Miami707x. He states this: Is he Hispanic? Could he even be Puerto Rican?
87 Post contains images AA767400 : Not sensitive here, just pointing out your mistake just like everyone else has here. And as far as getting real? Again I invite you to see me here in
88 RootsAir : well seeing how he speaks of Latin Americans I don't consider him one !
89 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : A) Puerto Rico has an "Anglo"-population-share of at least 5% , so that "my family in Puerto Rico" does not reveal much B) or else he might be a "wan
90 TACAA320 : I reciprocate your opinion about me. Thanks Braulio. I can't say so. But he try harder to be one, and he usually reach his goal.
91 Post contains images MD90fan : Little Haiti
92 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : Ok here, guess where I am from now? US citizen born in Cuba but raised half there, half here in the US so in effect I consider myself just as cuban as
93 Post contains images AA767400 : That was your comment. You agree why he would dislike Latin Americans for such a small incident. But if he singles out a group just for something lik
94 MIAMIx707 : c'mon, where's your sense of humor? So I said an Indian guy came out, big friggin deal? You know if you'd seen a non-US flag in there before none of
95 KLM685 : I'm truly disgusted and sad after reading this thread full references to people different from Americans as if they were the worst part of society. No
96 NASCARAirforce : We have our share of Polish as well as a lot of Albanian too
97 ME AVN FAN : - there even are political parties who have that notion in their defacto-programs and who routinely paint immigrants as "likely criminals" or "prime
98 Aerorobnz : I had no issue with MIA, nor anywhere else in southern Florida. I think Spanish should be made an official Language of the states, partly because of G
99 PanAm_DC10 : Unfortunately this thread has had it's fair share of deletions and had moved well away from the topic the thread starter intended.
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