Banco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 55 Posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1205 times:
Well, sort of.
It's the 300th anniversary of the Act of Union between England and Scotland. There are riotous celebrations going on everywhere, such as um....well, there's a special £2 coin being minted and er...that's it.
The BBC carried out an opinion poll to mark the occasion, and whilst it seems most people both sides of the border are in favour of the union, there is dissatisfaction - not least amongst the English:
Gkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24621 posts, RR: 58 Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1179 times:
Quoting Banco (Thread starter):
It's the 300th anniversary of the Act of Union between England and Scotland. There are riotous celebrations going on everywhere, such as um....well, there's a special £2 coin being minted and er...that's it.
The BBC carried out an opinion poll to mark the occasion, and whilst it seems most people both sides of the border are in favour of the union, there is dissatisfaction - not least amongst the English:
Banco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 55 Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1172 times:
Quoting Gkirk (Reply 8): Anyway, I shall await for 777236ER to come along and say how Scotland could never survive on it's own, it would be £100billion in debt, etc etc
Well. That would be going too far. But Scotland would undoubtedly be poorer as a result.
She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
Banco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 55 Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1165 times:
Quoting Gkirk (Reply 10): We'd be richer actually. You thieving bastards wouldn't be able to claim our oil and gas
The way oil and gas is demarcated is a line of latitude from the east coast border. Much of it is actually in English waters, something the SNP fail to mention when they talk about oil and gas reserves.
Even if the entire North Sea revenues were ascribed to Scotland (which they wouldn't be), it's still just a drop in the ocean (ho ho) compared to the English subsidy. The figures are inarguable, Kirkie. If you still want independence, fine. But don't pretend you'd be better off, you wouldn't be, you'd be much worse off.
She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
Gkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24621 posts, RR: 58 Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1156 times:
Quoting Banco (Reply 11): The way oil and gas is demarcated is a line of latitude from the east coast border. Much of it is actually in English waters, something the SNP fail to mention when they talk about oil and gas reserves.
Even if the entire North Sea revenues were ascribed to Scotland (which they wouldn't be), it's still just a drop in the ocean (ho ho) compared to the English subsidy. The figures are inarguable, Kirkie. If you still want independence, fine. But don't pretend you'd be better off, you wouldn't be, you'd be much worse off.
Speak English!
Lets see how Scotland would be better off
1) We wouldn't be colonised anymore
2) We could choose our own future path to world domination survival
3) We wouldn't be duped into entering false wars
4) We could watch and laugh as England entered the Euro
5) We could forge closer diplomatic ties between ourselves, Canada and Denmark
6) Oil and gas
7) 10,000,000,000 other reasons
When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
Banco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 55 Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1152 times:
Quoting Gkirk (Reply 12): 1) We wouldn't be colonised anymore
Er...Scotland chose to unite.
Quoting Gkirk (Reply 12): 3) We wouldn't be duped into entering false wars
Since you'd only be able to afford one machine gun between you, this wouldn't be a problem.
Quoting Gkirk (Reply 12): 4) We could watch and laugh as England entered the Euro
You see, this is the bit of the SNP's manifesto that really confuses me. They want independence, but say they'll join the Euro, immediately handing over the economic independence to a much bigger entity than the UK. It's really weird. And you oppose the Euro anyway, don't you?
Quoting Gkirk (Reply 12): 5) We could forge closer diplomatic ties between ourselves, Canada and Denmark
Really? How?
Quoting Gkirk (Reply 12): 7) 10,000,000,000 other reasons
Do tell.
She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
I have it on good authority that Canadians and Danes also love Deep Fried Mars Bars
Quoting Banco (Reply 14): You see, this is the bit of the SNP's manifesto that really confuses me. They want independence, but say they'll join the Euro, immediately handing over the economic independence to a much bigger entity than the UK. It's really weird. And you oppose the Euro anyway, don't you?
Aye, thats one thing I disagree with the SNP about.
Tommy Sheridans party sounds a hoot though
Quoting Banco (Reply 14): Er...Scotland chose to unite.
Forced at gunpoint
When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
Gkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24621 posts, RR: 58 Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1141 times:
Quoting Banco (Reply 19): Kirkie, you can propound independence as much as you like. I don't really care. I just think you'd be insane, but hey, I look forward to my tax cut.
If Independence doesn't happen, then fine, it isn't the end of the world. My fight will move on to another cause...like disembowling thon EU thingymajig
When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
Banco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 55 Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1135 times:
Quoting Gkirk (Reply 20): If Independence doesn't happen, then fine, it isn't the end of the world
Can I ask you, seriously, why you want independence? I know we Scots and English bicker all the time and slag each other off, but that's just a small family argument. Why do you really want it?
She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
Gkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24621 posts, RR: 58 Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1133 times:
Quoting Banco (Reply 21): Can I ask you, seriously, why you want independence? I know we Scots and English bicker all the time and slag each other off, but that's just a small family argument. Why do you really want it?
To prove to the world that we ARE a real country and can go it alone. Plus, I think everything that concerns our country, should be handled in our country, i.e. in Edinburgh, and not 500 miles away in Londres.
When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
Banco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 55 Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1131 times:
Quoting Gkirk (Reply 22): To prove to the world that we ARE a real country and can go it alone.
But you always could. Just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should. Why care what the rest of the world thinks, it's got to be based on what's best for you, surely?
Quoting Gkirk (Reply 22): Plus, I think everything that concerns our country, should be handled in our country, i.e. in Edinburgh, and not 500 miles away in Londres.
Most of it is. Seems to me that you have the best of all worlds, really. The Scottish Parliament does everything you want it to, apart from foreign affairs, and in foreign affairs, Scotland on its own would be a complete irrelevance. And you also have a say in English affairs of course (the thing which infuriates all of us south of the border), and which to be fair, I know you find wrong.
She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
Gkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24621 posts, RR: 58 Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1129 times:
Quoting Banco (Reply 23): and which to be fair, I know you find wrong.
Indeed, that is wrong. But I also find that hilarious
Would you like to have English matters run from Paris for example?
Anyway, shouldn't you be in that wheelchair racing thread?
When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
25 Toulouse: Glad to see you Scots using Irish slang!
26 Banco: We have them run from Scotland, don't we? And anyway, Scotland and England aren't foreign countries from one another. Like it or not, we're on the sa
27 Gkirk: You lot We should send you to Australia, like the other load of folks you sent there way a few years back
29 Cornish: I think it would be good to hear from Skidmarks about just how much excitement there was on the very day that this came about 300 hundred years ago H
30 Banco: The Scots are only Irish people who can swim, after all.
31 Gkirk: Now look what you've done Banco The only thing worse than Cornish turning up in this thread, would be for JGPH1A to turn up at yer local McDonalds
32 Banco: He's that old? 30,000 years? Got to say it, but the old boy looks rather good on it, considering.
33 Kay: Getting older, but no proof that it's older than you
34 Banco: I'm not the one celebrating my 300th, Grandad.
35 Gkirk: Aye, yer celebrating yer 20,000th birthday, old fossil
36 Cornish: That'll be the Blue Circle moisturiser he uses
37 MD11Engineer: As you guys probably would want to join the EU as an independent country, then you'll have to remember that ALL EU newcomers WILL have to become part
39 Gkirk: Actually, we wouldn't want to enter the EU And a referendum, that Alex Salmond would have to call, would show you that
40 JGPH1A: No no - Oil of Delay ! A fatwah on all Pictish trogladytes and their flea-infested province. I propose an EU-subsidized feasibility study into towing
41 ME AVN FAN: and I expected him to launch a big party with fireworks in his pub tonight ! - isn't Brown a Scot ? - who is to own the "British" share of the North
43 BHXFAOTIPYYC: SNP policy is "a strong Scotland in the EU" which is a total contradiction in terms of course. Same policy with Plaid Cymru.
44 777236ER: Well, you ignored the figures the last time I posted them, so maybe I should post them again. £34 billion was generated in tax in scotland in 2003-0
48 Cornish: Great Idea. I LIKE EU-subsidized feasibility studies. Perfect for those end of year bonuses
49 Banco: But they are valid points. And ones that a supporter of independence should address, don't you think?
50 777236ER: I was banned. Can you believe that? If you truly want independence and aren't just doing it out of some anti-English spite, then feel free to vote fo
51 Banco: Putting the case for the auditors, is it not possible simply to use it for target practice as it is?
52 Cornish: It would be a bit like the Czechoslovakia split. When that happened there was none of the armed conflict that followed breakaways in other places. Th
53 Gkirk: Aye, but if I was so anti-English, I wouldn't work in England (although that may be changing ), I wouldn't go out drinking in England, and I wouldn't
55 Banco: To be fair, that's out of context. He never said it was anti-English, he posed the question. But, Kirkie, I would be interested to hear your reply to
56 777236ER: Well, I'm not so sure. Whisky aside, what reason is there to drink in Scotland, apart from if you like drunken fights? Belhaven is lovely, and the Is
57 Cornish: Why not invite the Americans over. We could tow some old frigate out into the North Sea and tell them they could use it for target practice. Chances
58 Banco: Yes, but what if they took out France instead? That'd be disas....oh hang on...
59 Gkirk: Aye, because we all know you've a long standing agreement with the Frogs and Germans Anyway, I'll answer the points made, when I've got more time to
60 777236ER: Sounds like Nottingham. Anyway, if you're not anti-English, and you're pretty conservative, why do you want independence for Scotland?
61 Gkirk: I would like my country to be recognised as a country worldwide. That's all, some recognition. If it doesn't happen, and people don't vote for it, th
62 777236ER: So you want recognition, as opposed to all the tangible things that affect your life? Is recognition worth fewer public services, higher taxes and do
63 TSV: One of which I suspect has something to do with cohabitation with Sheep...
64 Banco: You'd be recognised worldwide as a bunch of nutters who threw away self-government with whacking great subsidies in return for an "independence" that
65 ME AVN FAN: what do they need "defence" for ? Whatever they have will be "leased" to the British Royals (suppose QEII will then be Queen of Scotland) and therefo
68 MD11Engineer: No before evacuating the Scottish women to the continent! (I love Scottish accents on women)! Jan
69 777236ER: Oh, well if it works that way, I suggest that the UK should invade Ireland
70 ME AVN FAN: corrected text : - what do they need "defence" for ? Whatever they have will be "leased" to the British Royals (suppose QEII will then be Queen of Sco
71 777236ER: Why should Scotland get 'considerable' EU subsidies?
72 ME AVN FAN: because it is, by E.U. standards, "European" but "underdeveloped" and relatively poor .
73 TheCol: I have immense pride for our people. However, the Scots need the English just as much as the English need Scots. Plus, the two cultures are so intert
74 777236ER: Per capita higher than Portugal, Greece, Spain, Bulgaria, Romania, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Slovak
75 ME AVN FAN: THIS is absolutely NO argument. "the two cultures" of Canada and the USA, Switzerland and Germany and Austria, and much of Spanish speaking Latin Ame
76 VH-KCT*: Well there's already a wall there, isn't there? Just need to add some little wooden towers and some kilted Caledonians to keep watch
77 TheCol: I don't think you understood me. Scottish culture and tradition is well represented in the UK's infrastructure since the amalgamation (just look at t
78 777236ER: But the argument you make is ridiculous. You're suggesting that the EU should subsidise Scotland so they can keep the same quality of living they'd o
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