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Beckham-overated?  
User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 21
Posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 651 times:

At the moment Beckham doesnt seem to be producing the goods for Man U.He has playedvery well a couple of times for England but I do feel he is overated.Giggs is a better all aroun player IMO.What do you think?

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User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11951 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 628 times:

Gisggs is Uniteds best player by far, but he's a left footer, so he couldn't replace Becks in any way. David is an incredible talent nontheless, he's just not on fire at the moment.  Smile

Thom@s



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User currently offlineFightingfalcon From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 623 times:

Every f***ing Football (Socer, for the americans...) player is overated, and sure as hell overpaid. There are some good ones, but they don't diserve all that money and publicity. No, that's to critic, it's like that: Football would probably be better if the money didn't decide everything.

Martin



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User currently offlineFightingfalcon From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 622 times:

should be soCCer...  Big thumbs up

Martin



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User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 619 times:

Good point Thom@s,
but I feel Giggs is more important to the side as a whole compared to Beckham.


User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11951 posts, RR: 47
Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 616 times:

Couldn't agree more Donder10.  Smile

Thom@s



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User currently offlineHeederA380 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 616 times:

Do you guys think Michael Owen is over-rated?

I can't get Premier League on TV here anymore, but when I could, Michael Owen (when he was about 18) was the best player I had seen. What do you guys think?


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 614 times:

I think Owen is the real deal personally.His shots:goals ratio is good and is improving.He has scored something like 22 goals in his last 20 games.

User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 616 times:

Michael Owen used to miss a hellova lot of chances, although he has improved. Over the past couple of games he has been stunning, but then again so has Freddie Ljungberg  Innocent

Regards

Dan


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 611 times:

The defintion of missed chances is Andy Cole!

User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 608 times:

I totally agree Big grin

Andy Cole has been a POS ever since he joined MAN UTD, in his Newcastle/Bristol City days he was alot better.

Even playin for Arsenal he was better.... for the reserves... Big grin


User currently offlineFightingfalcon From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 608 times:

No one comes close to Alex Del Piero. Cool guy. He can play really bad, but when he has a good day he can decide games.

Martin



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User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 605 times:

After being sent of in the match with Argentina I lost total respect for him. Soccer is not a very good sport, I much rather American football!
Iain


User currently offlineFightingfalcon From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 601 times:

Both sports can be VERY boring. Did you ever see Handball? There are many more goals, more action, and so. I like it. I play it for 7 years now. The bad thing about it is that you've almost always got some kind of pain somewhere after you played it...

Every sport can be boring, but can also be very interesting.
(except chess, but is that a real sport?  Big grin)



Imprezas rule!!
User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 599 times:

Personally I prefer rugby and baseball.

User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 593 times:
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Andrew Cole is in the top 3 shots-to-goals ratio for strikers (think he was the highest ranked Utd player a couple of years ago). As for his all-round play, he is a hell of a lot better than in his Arsenal Reserves, Bristol City and Newcastle days!

David/MAN


User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 583 times:

CHELSEA ARE THE BEST !!!

CHELSEA 3 - 0 MAN UNITED

Ha Ha Ha Ha

Beckham is just a big head, just like Robbie Williams, and Mrs. Beckham !!


User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11951 posts, RR: 47
Reply 17, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 576 times:

Let's not forget that Cole and Yorke scored over 50 goals total during 98/99. But as we all know, Yorke has lost it, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him disappear soon.  Sad

Nistelrooy, now there is a man worth his money.  Smile
And what about Ole Gunnar Solskjær who scored 2 and assisted 2 yesterday against Derby? He could have played for any 1st team in the world if he wanted to, he cost practically nothing when he arrived at United, and he scores as many goals as uniteds 1st team.  Big thumbs up

Thom@s



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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 570 times:
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Hkgspotter1

Why didn't you write down the result of Chelsea's next game? I'll do it for you:

Chelsea 0 Charlton 1

Oh dear, how embarrassing. Another club that does well against Utd but belly-flops against a weaker side.

David/MAN


User currently offlineEGFF From UK - Wales, joined Sep 2001, 2201 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 569 times:

Good player but i agree he is over-rated compared to the likes of Figo, Zidane, Rui Costa, etc.....
EGFF



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User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 566 times:

Everything I have heard about this guy seems to indicate he is a prick. he may give all of the UK a hardon, but in America he is viritually unknown, and we like it that way.


Maggs swings, it's a drive deep to left! The Tigers are going to the World Series!!!
User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 566 times:

I think something to bear in mind with Beckham is that he is still improving. Not too long ago he was very much one footed (hard to believe in a "world class" player, I know) but over the last year or two he has put in so much work to improve the other side. Frighteningly he is now delivering left footed crosses that are almost as good as the right footed ones - he's certainly the best crosser of a ball in world football.

Another thing to bear in mind is that he plays on the right wing where he can't exert as much influence as the likes of Figo and Zidane so he is more prone to drifting in and out of games.

I think the thing that sets him apart from the others is that he works so hard. Anybody who saw the England - Greece game would know what I mean. England were absolutely dreadful and going down to a deserved defeat, but Beckham pretty much played Greece on his own, he was absolutely magnificent and ultimately got the goal that secured qualification. As he matures he reminds me of Bryan Robson in his application more and more, the difference being that Beckham is a much better player, and Robson was good.

The other thing that strikes me is that he seems to be reserving his best displays for England rather than United. It's as if he cares much more about it, especially now he's captain. That kind of commitment (which Giggs has never shown to Wales) is making him ever more important, and I think it is these internationals by which he should be judged, not to mention how he's come back from that sending off in '98.

On the whole, I think he probably is still behind Zidane and Figo, but I've seen a lot of all three and Beckham is still young and improving. I wouldn't be surprised to see him become acknowledged as the world's best player in the next few years.

As for Owen, he's the most lethal finisher I've ever seen. The fact that he's only 21 is really quite scary. But he's one of the oldest of a crop of talented young players coming through, Gerrard, Ashley Cole, Joe Cole (who really could become the world's best in a few years), Michael Carrick, Jermain Defoe, David Dunn and so on.

In terms of technical play, the English appear to be (at last) catching the rest of Europe up.



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User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 564 times:

Joe Cole is going through the Owenesque young-man continous injury stage which is unfortuante.

User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 562 times:

CHELSEA, CHELSEA, CHELSEA, CHELSEA, CHELSEA !!!!!

User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (12 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 559 times:
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Long-term striking partnership for England should be Owen and Dafoe.

Who are Chelsea - aren't they the UN of the Premier League?

David/MAN


25 Post contains images Banco : Almost David. They're the UNHCR.
26 EGGD : Andy Cole up until 99-00 (although he has gone downhill since this was published): Manchester United: 139 games, 80 goals Newcastle United: 58 games,
27 David_itl : Do you have the stats for assists? That is where the main difference will be! David
28 Post contains images Jiml1126 : Hmmm...Beckham I don't care if he's overated or not.
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