Donder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 23 Posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 473 times:
At the moment Beckham doesnt seem to be producing the goods for Man U.He has playedvery well a couple of times for England but I do feel he is overated.Giggs is a better all aroun player IMO.What do you think?
Thom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11951 posts, RR: 50 Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 450 times:
Gisggs is Uniteds best player by far, but he's a left footer, so he couldn't replace Becks in any way. David is an incredible talent nontheless, he's just not on fire at the moment.
Thom@s
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Fightingfalcon From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 787 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 445 times:
Every f***ing Football (Socer, for the americans...) player is overated, and sure as hell overpaid. There are some good ones, but they don't diserve all that money and publicity. No, that's to critic, it's like that: Football would probably be better if the money didn't decide everything.
HeederA380 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 165 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 438 times:
Do you guys think Michael Owen is over-rated?
I can't get Premier League on TV here anymore, but when I could, Michael Owen (when he was about 18) was the best player I had seen. What do you guys think?
EGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12426 posts, RR: 40 Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 438 times:
Michael Owen used to miss a hellova lot of chances, although he has improved. Over the past couple of games he has been stunning, but then again so has Freddie Ljungberg
Fightingfalcon From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 787 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 423 times:
Both sports can be VERY boring. Did you ever see Handball? There are many more goals, more action, and so. I like it. I play it for 7 years now. The bad thing about it is that you've almost always got some kind of pain somewhere after you played it...
Every sport can be boring, but can also be very interesting.
(except chess, but is that a real sport? )
David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7168 posts, RR: 14 Reply 15, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 415 times:
Andrew Cole is in the top 3 shots-to-goals ratio for strikers (think he was the highest ranked Utd player a couple of years ago). As for his all-round play, he is a hell of a lot better than in his Arsenal Reserves, Bristol City and Newcastle days!
Thom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11951 posts, RR: 50 Reply 17, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 398 times:
Let's not forget that Cole and Yorke scored over 50 goals total during 98/99. But as we all know, Yorke has lost it, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him disappear soon.
Nistelrooy, now there is a man worth his money.
And what about Ole Gunnar Solskjær who scored 2 and assisted 2 yesterday against Derby? He could have played for any 1st team in the world if he wanted to, he cost practically nothing when he arrived at United, and he scores as many goals as uniteds 1st team.
Thom@s
"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
Stretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2561 posts, RR: 18 Reply 20, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 388 times:
Everything I have heard about this guy seems to indicate he is a prick. he may give all of the UK a hardon, but in America he is viritually unknown, and we like it that way.
Maggs swings, it's a drive deep to left! The Tigers are going to the World Series!!!
Banco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 55 Reply 21, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 388 times:
I think something to bear in mind with Beckham is that he is still improving. Not too long ago he was very much one footed (hard to believe in a "world class" player, I know) but over the last year or two he has put in so much work to improve the other side. Frighteningly he is now delivering left footed crosses that are almost as good as the right footed ones - he's certainly the best crosser of a ball in world football.
Another thing to bear in mind is that he plays on the right wing where he can't exert as much influence as the likes of Figo and Zidane so he is more prone to drifting in and out of games.
I think the thing that sets him apart from the others is that he works so hard. Anybody who saw the England - Greece game would know what I mean. England were absolutely dreadful and going down to a deserved defeat, but Beckham pretty much played Greece on his own, he was absolutely magnificent and ultimately got the goal that secured qualification. As he matures he reminds me of Bryan Robson in his application more and more, the difference being that Beckham is a much better player, and Robson was good.
The other thing that strikes me is that he seems to be reserving his best displays for England rather than United. It's as if he cares much more about it, especially now he's captain. That kind of commitment (which Giggs has never shown to Wales) is making him ever more important, and I think it is these internationals by which he should be judged, not to mention how he's come back from that sending off in '98.
On the whole, I think he probably is still behind Zidane and Figo, but I've seen a lot of all three and Beckham is still young and improving. I wouldn't be surprised to see him become acknowledged as the world's best player in the next few years.
As for Owen, he's the most lethal finisher I've ever seen. The fact that he's only 21 is really quite scary. But he's one of the oldest of a crop of talented young players coming through, Gerrard, Ashley Cole, Joe Cole (who really could become the world's best in a few years), Michael Carrick, Jermain Defoe, David Dunn and so on.
In terms of technical play, the English appear to be (at last) catching the rest of Europe up.
She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
26 EGGD: Andy Cole up until 99-00 (although he has gone downhill since this was published): Manchester United: 139 games, 80 goals Newcastle United: 58 games,
27 David_itl: Do you have the stats for assists? That is where the main difference will be! David
28 Jiml1126: Hmmm...Beckham I don't care if he's overated or not.
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