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Iraqi Sunni Rebels Have Own TV Station  
User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1384 times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/21/world/middleeast/21sunni.html

Broadcasting through Egypt and financed with stolen US money.

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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week ago) and read 1363 times:

Quoting Thorben (Thread starter):
Broadcasting

there also are WEBsites in support of the rebels, like
http://www.albasrah.net/index.php


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1361 times:

Presumably they would style themselves as 'Loyalists', not 'Rebels'?  Smile


"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards.." - Leonardo da Vinci
User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1345 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 1):
there also are WEBsites in support of the rebels,

Yes, but websites are easier to do than a TV program. This is really a new dimension.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 2):
Presumably they would style themselves as 'Loyalists', not 'Rebels'? Smile

After a discussion with a certain user I have decided to call them "rebels" instead of "insurgents".


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1344 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 3):
websites are easier to do than a TV program. This is really a new dimension.

true, but look at the territories in question and the many and very long practically NON-controlled border regions. If you realize that the Shammar-tribe has people inside the Iraqi administration, among the rebels, in the Jordanian administration and within the Royal Saudi family, and controls vast areas in the 3 countries in question plus in Syria it becomes obvious that such is no problem as soon as the financing is secured.


User currently offlineTERRA From Iraq, joined Aug 1999, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1329 times:

Having access to the channel all i can say is it's pretty graphic.........

User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1329 times:

Time to Blast it off the earth?

Where's that missile.....



Lee



Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 2 hours ago) and read 1299 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 4):
true, but look at the territories in question and the many and very long practically NON-controlled border regions. If you realize that the Shammar-tribe has people inside the Iraqi administration, among the rebels, in the Jordanian administration and within the Royal Saudi family, and controls vast areas in the 3 countries in question plus in Syria it becomes obvious that such is no problem as soon as the financing is secured.

I didn't know about that tribe. I only knew that tribes play a way more important role in the Arabic countries than our politicians understand.

Quoting TERRA (Reply 5):
Having access to the channel all i can say is it's pretty graphic.........

Graphic in the sense of showing violence/bodies etc.? Well, it is the TV of those rebels, probably used to incite more violence.


User currently offlineTERRA From Iraq, joined Aug 1999, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 hour ago) and read 1293 times:

Well it shows IED, sniper, RPG and mortar attacks. You don't tend to see bodies lying on the streets as such. I also noticed recently that there was footage of the Iraqi Army doing house searches and dragging people out of bed and slapping them around a bit, not your usual CNN stuff. Intersting to see that most footage is of attacks on the US (lots of it infact) but none of attacks on Shia's.

On the lighter side of things they also show old footage of Baghdad in the 80s when life "was good" with typical pro Saddam songs playing in the background.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months ago) and read 1290 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 7):
that tribe

the mother of Kings Faisal, Khaled, Fahd and Abdullah was from the Shammar, the first state-president of post-invasion Iraq was a Shammar, some Jordanian generals and prime-ministers were/are Shammar, many rich businessmen in the region are Shammar


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1273 times:

Quoting TERRA (Reply 8):
Well it shows IED, sniper, RPG and mortar attacks. You don't tend to see bodies lying on the streets as such. I also noticed recently that there was footage of the Iraqi Army doing house searches and dragging people out of bed and slapping them around a bit, not your usual CNN stuff. Intersting to see that most footage is of attacks on the US (lots of it infact) but none of attacks on Shia's.

Do you have any idea why they don't show the attacks against the Shia? I thought that they would use it as an anti-Shia platform as well.

Quoting TERRA (Reply 8):
On the lighter side of things they also show old footage of Baghdad in the 80s when life "was good" with typical pro Saddam songs playing in the background.

Reminds me of the unemployed East Germans who are missing the GDR. Back then, they didn't have the most urgent problem that they have today, but had many other problems that they have forgotten today. I think it is the same in Iraq, back in Saddam's days you were not in danger to be blown up at your market or mosque, and if you praised Saddam and kept your mouth shut otherwise you could live a long life. I've seen it on TV here, a Shia woman demanding where Saddam is after she was hurt in an explosion. But what about all those that were murdered and tortured by his regime, that had to suffer under the sanctions and under the shortages in the wr against Iran? Somehow some people forget that.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 9):
the mother of Kings Faisal, Khaled, Fahd and Abdullah was from the Shammar,

Allright, they have some influence there. I understand they had all different mothers, except Fahd and Abdullah.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 9):
the first state-president of post-invasion Iraq was a Shammar,

Ghazi al-Yawar?

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 9):
some Jordanian generals and prime-ministers were/are Shammar, many rich businessmen in the region are Shammar

See, that is something that few people in the West really know about. We only look at nationalities or ethnic or religious groups. We don't look at the tribes. So the Shammar have Saudis, Jordanians, Iraqis, Sunni, Shia, and Christians among them. This makes everything a lot more complicated.

I think Saddam was somebody who knew how to deal with those tribal issues real well, regardless of how blind he was concerning international politics.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1254 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 10):
he mother of Kings Faisal, Khaled, Fahd and Abdullah was from the Shammar,
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Allright, they have some influence there. I understand they had all different mothers, except Fahd and Abdullah.

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No, the so-called "Sudairy-7" , which means those 4 above plus at least Vice-King Sultan have the same mother from the important Shammar tribe.
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Quoting Thorben (Reply 10):
the first state-president of post-invasion Iraq was a Shammar,
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Ghazi al-Yawar?

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yes exactly
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Quoting Thorben (Reply 10):
the Shammar have Saudis, Jordanians, Iraqis, Sunni, Shia, and Christians

ok, except "Shia" as they have no Shi'ites among them, and are predominantly of the Sunni side, even if some are Wahhabi, while most are either Maliki or Hanbali (Wahhabi is a sect inside of Hanbali-Sunnism, while Hanbali and Maliki and Hanafi and Shafi'i are the 4 "main-schools" in Sunni Islam).
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