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Firefox...Emperor's New Clothes?  
User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2148 times:

I am continually being told by geeks that Mozilla Firefox is the antidote to Bill Gates evil ways and its soooo much better, faster, smoother, got bigger tits and all dem ting.

So, I have both IE7 and Mozilla on my laptop and I have to say, none of the geek propoganda is true...it isn't better at anything and is worse at some things.

So boyz and gurrls...waddup, y'all just tinfoil hat wearers in denial? or is there some deep mystery I am missing out on?...or maybe i am like a plumber in an art gallery and am overlooking some subtle undercurrents that only the terminal Luddite (see your teacher) can't grasp.

I never thought the Rubix Cube was cool either AND I don't fancy Halle Berry...so maybe there is no hope eh?

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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12286 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2147 times:
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Yeah, I used firefox for a while. Now I just use IE. FireFox was too much of a ramhog.


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User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2133 times:

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Zelda says firefox is

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turd


User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2131 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 1):
ramhog.

Is that a bad thing or more fun than you could handle?


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2116 times:

Quoting Jafa39 (Thread starter):

So, I have both IE7 and Mozilla on my laptop and I have to say, none of the geek propoganda is true...it isn't better at anything and is worse at some things.

Which version are you running? I have 2.0.0.1 running on my Mac, and it runs beautifully, even allowing me to access sites Safari just sits there and looks kind of funny at.



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12286 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2115 times:
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Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 3):
Is that a bad thing or more fun than you could handle?

Yes it's a bad thing. I downloaded FF2, but haven't really tried it, so can't say anything about it.



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User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2115 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 4):
Which version are you running?

The one I downloaded just before Christmas......if there is more than one number in a version I get confused....


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2103 times:

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 6):

The one I downloaded just before Christmas

Just look at the "About Firefox" menu item. I don't recall offhand which toolbar menu it's on on the PC. It'll tell you the version number. Or just have it search for updates.



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User currently offlineHalcyon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2096 times:

Firefox 2 is much faster than IE, has no popups or other crap, and I remembers my text. (I was typing something in a textbox and I lost power to my PC, and upon reboot FF opened up and my text was even still there.)

It also seems to not have the RAM hog problems of it's first version.

Off topic, the new Live Mail sucks.

Lucas  Smile


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8772 posts, RR: 42
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2093 times:

Sigh... another round of let's bash Firefox. Sure enough, it isn't perfect. But for every little thing that has bugged me, there has been a fix. If I can't open a website with FF, I move my mouse cursor to the bottom right, click on the Firefox icon (in the browser window) and IE Tab reloads the page using whatever version of Internet Explorer I have, in the same tab - even Microsoft Update works.
If I want to download something, I use FlashGot which integrates Firefox and my download manager, which is vital since I don't have broadband anymore. Quite often, the downloads I start with one or two clicks wouldn't even be possible with IE, such as YouTube videos of which I wanted a few on my HDD. The add-on list is endless, and I won't even start on the ad blocking capabilities you can add to Firefox.
Then we have visual customisation. I've installed Flyakite OS X which makes numerous aspects of the tired and boring Windows XP GUI look Mac OS X-like, and with Firefox I can easily install a corresponding theme in a few instants - no extra software, no hassle, and it's done well.
Lastly, if Firefox crashes, which it does occasionally, it doesn't take anything else down with itself... unlike IE which was so embedded into Windows last time I used it that it crashed that "explorer.exe" process which always runs in the background, making me lose at least half of the tray icons I used. I've also found that RAM usage is reasonable if you restart Firefox every now and then, according to what you've been doing. It's easy, too, since you can restore all the windows and tabs you had open.

So no, Firefox isn't perfect. But once you're used to it and have the add-ons you want, it's nothing but a pleasure to use.



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User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2087 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 9):
and have the add-ons you want,

Well that is part of the problem for me...haven't a clue which add-ons i need, what to do with them or anything, I never seem to need anything with IE and it works.

The geeks who recommend it to me seem to thrive in add-ons and all that...is there a basic "bloke" package available?


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2079 times:

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 10):
I never seem to need anything with IE and it works.

If you're a basic bloke user, you should probably just stay with IE, and not frustrate yourself.



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8772 posts, RR: 42
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2074 times:

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 10):
is there a basic "bloke" package available?

Yes, it's what you get with the download, sorry to play Captain Obvious. Add-ons have always been an important part of Firefox, that's why you hear so much about them. You can certainly use the software without them, but they can improve your "experience". I have:

Adblock Plus (incredibly efficient and automatic)
Adblock Filterset.G Updater (just as automatic as Adblock)
Delicious Delicacies (pointless, and hasn't yet been updated to work with FF2)
DOM Inspector (??? it came with the download, I don't need it)
FlashGot (to integrate FF with the download manager)
IE Tab (for those few sites that FF doesn't show properly)
Tab Mix Plus (tabbed browsing "reloaded")
Talkback (to send the developers info about eventual crashed)
VideoDownloader (for downloading YouTube et al videos)



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2069 times:

Firefox simply sucks. I used version 1.5 and I don't know why people find it so good and so fast, because for me, it's the contrary. It's too damn slow, especially with the tabbed browsing. I do have a pretty good and fast system, but even with that, Firefox just doesn't cut it. I'm quite pleased with the performance I'm getting from IE6 so far, and I do not intend to switch to either Firefox 2 or IE7 in the near future. I might use IE7 eventually, but most likely only when I get Windows Vista.

User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8772 posts, RR: 42
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2069 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 11):
If you're a basic bloke user, you should probably just stay with IE, and not frustrate yourself.

That's a contradiction if I've ever heard one... STAY with a Microsoft product so as NOT to be frustrated?!? Westy, what happened to you?

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 13):
Firefox simply sucks. I used version 1.5

Please try version 2 before you make sweeping generalisations. Maybe FF doesn't work for you due to personal preferences, but that doesn't mean it "sucks" for everyone else.

[Edited 2007-01-22 06:56:15]


Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2065 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 9):
unlike IE which was so embedded into Windows last time I used it that it crashed that "explorer.exe" process which always runs in the background, making me lose at least half of the tray icons

Little tip, in the Task manager click "New Process", type "explorer.exe" and Bobs your uncle, Fanny's Your Aunt... Everything back to normal.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2063 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 14):
That's a contradiction if I've ever heard one... STAY with a Microsoft product so as NOT to be frustrated?!? Westy, what happened to you?

I used to run Mac Help rooms on AOL, and to be honest, there are just some folks who think they need something better, but don't want to be bothered by the details of getting there, and then maintaining that experience. For example, we still don't know which version he's using, despite directions on how to find it.

There's a point in time where you have to say "not worth it", and they have to be able to say to the geeks who keep touting an experience that they're "not interested", because, to be fully honest, that's what it comes down to.



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8772 posts, RR: 42
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2063 times:

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 15):
Little tip, in the Task manager click "New Process", type "explorer.exe" and Bobs your uncle, Fanny's Your Aunt... Everything back to normal.

I preferred the task manager and "File" -> "new task". But that still doesn't bring tray icons back.

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 15):
Bobs your uncle

Must... not... quote... Terry... Pratchett...!  Wink



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8772 posts, RR: 42
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 16):
that's what it comes down to.

Point taken... however, I'd like to see Jafa use a PC with a good FF setup made by someone who does care. I've set up numerous PC systems and FF installs for friends and family, and I've never heard serious complaints about the browser. With Firefox, you can set up everything once and let the automatic updates handle everything for a long, long time. AND you get exactly what you want with the add-ons.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 14):
STAY with a Microsoft product so as NOT to be frustrated?!?

Point is i have never been frustrated by a Microsoft Product...a Compaq one yes...

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 16):
we still don't know which version he's using, despite directions on how to find it.

It is 2.0.0.1  Smile


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 18):
Point taken... however, I'd like to see Jafa use a PC with a good FF setup made by someone who does care.

But this is about what he wants, not what you want. If he doesn't care, there's no reason you should either, and he should just be happy with IE.



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8772 posts, RR: 42
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2040 times:

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 19):
Point is i have never been frustrated by a Microsoft Product...

Well, that is a first...  Wow!

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 20):
But this is about what he wants, not what you want.

I was just thinking how someone might be convinced that Firefox is more than "emperor's new clothes", is that so intrusive?



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2034 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 21):
I was just thinking how someone might be convinced that Firefox is more than "emperor's new clothes", is that so intrusive?

No, not at all, but when someone starts out with "this is a pile of poo, convince me it's not", it doesn't look encouraging.  Wink



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2028 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 9):
So no, Firefox isn't perfect. But once you're used to it and have the add-ons you want, it's nothing but a pleasure to use.

 checkmark  Even without add-ons. Perhaps I am easily pleased but FF seems much better than IE. Just went to FF2 yesterday.
I find I cannot use the full ad suppression or I get rejected by too many sites.
But I guess FF is not made in Seattle, so that explains it.  duck 


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8772 posts, RR: 42
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2023 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 22):
"this is a pile of poo, convince me it's not"



Anyway, Jafa, further good luck to you and your apparently airtight Microsoft software.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 23):
I find I cannot use the full ad suppression or I get rejected by too many sites.

What have you got? I've never had that problem with Adblock and Filterset.G updater, does FF2 now come with built-in ad suppression?

[Edited 2007-01-22 07:21:54]


Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
25 Post contains images Jafa39 : I know the question wasn't directed at me but the answer is..if it was quicker, smoother had bigger tits etc...it is the same but for me, less reliab
26 Post contains images LH526 : Using Safari and Camino on a Mac! No complaints so far Mario LH526
27 Jacobin777 : "Not all things could be to all people".. Personally, ever since I switched to Firefox a few years ago, I've never looked back..Firefox reminds me of
28 David L : I agree. The bells and whistles may be better in Firefox but that was no consolation to me when the damn thing locked up a couple of times a day. I'l
29 Agill : Well if you don't install any extensions and stuff to FF I guess the difference to IE isn'tr that big. But as soon as you do IE feels like such a step
30 AeroWesty : A few minutes ago, I was composing a post in Firefox, and my laptop had a kernal panic, causing me to restart without being able to save anything. Aft
31 Post contains images Klaus : Unless, of course, FireFox maybe caused the kernel panic in the first place...!
32 AeroWesty : Naw, doubt it, I'm using the Lombard that's been kernal panicking lately, even after a fresh reinstall of the OS. It's seen better days and this is i
33 Klaus : Yeah, it could be the hardware under those circumstances. I'm not sure if I remember correctly, but wasn't the Lombard's CPU socketed? In that case re
34 Post contains images AeroWesty : Yup, it is. It's not really worth bothering with, the screen is starting to flicker occasionally, so it's not worth messing with. It's possible the c
35 Klaus : Yeah, the Lombards were pretty neat machines in their day and I still know of at least one still in productive use as well until very recently.
36 Post contains images Jafa39 : Stop it Westy...you're scaring me!!!
37 Post contains images AeroWesty : Not to worry, my petal, I haven't built a voodoo replica of your computer to stick pins in ... yet!
38 Itsjustme : I guess if you don't mind obnoxious banner ads on every site you visit and the pop up, pop down, and pop over ads that have a tendency to skirt the le
39 FlyingColours : Well I'm on 1.5.0.9 at the minute, I love it especially the "tabbed browsing" makes life a lot easier. My only realy bug with it is if you uninstall a
40 Jafa39 : Hmmm, and FF owes a debt of gratitude to IE7 which allows it to access sites that FF cant,.....I didn't have a stance at the beginning fo this thread
41 AeroWesty : A number of sites are "optimized" to run on IE, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that some would run better with IE by default. That's the
42 IFEMaster : IE7 has absolutely zilch to do with it. The FF plugin works with IE 4.0 and above.
43 Post contains images Jafa39 : You're right, that would be like building "Boeing only" runways...I'm sure MOL would like "FR only" runways
44 Post contains images KaiGywer : In some places, that's pretty much the situation
45 Jafa39 : Well, IE then...let's not split hairs eh?
46 IFEMaster : Then really it all goes back to bad development on the part of the web designer. If I NEED an IE plugin to view a website, it's the website's fault,
47 Agill : Used to be a lot of pages where FF had trouble, but lately I can't even remember having to use IE to get a page to work. Perhaps this might be a probl
48 TZ757300 : I love Firefox, it has always felt as an upgrade to IE, even with IE7. I think FF's user interface is so much better than IE, its less cluttered. Only
49 N231YE : Opera 9.10 here. I hate IE and didn't like FF that much, thus my switch. Opera is so much faster than IE and FF, my only gripe is that some websites d
50 Aloges : It's the same for me, I haven't had to use IE Tab in a long time. See above, IE Tab can do even that for you. Just don't try to use any other tabs in
51 TZ757300 : Is this on Windows or Mac? If it's on Windows, is it a RAMhog?
52 LHMARK : I've been using FF for three years. I have never had difficulty opening a website. It's like the designers of FF have anticipated my every question, c
53 N231YE : The feel, speed, and the way it handles things differently (I like how it downloads). However, as stated, some websites don't like it, so I have to u
54 Itsjustme : After reading this, I reread my post and you're right Jafa, I did sound a bit smug. That wasn't my intent, however. My point was, and if you're hones
55 Post contains images N229NW : I'd just like to say that thanks to this thread, especially the posts by Aloges, I updated my firefox 1.5 to 2.0 and put in the adblocker plus and the
56 Ryan h : I am very happy with Firefox 2. As said earlier the add ons allow you to customize it to your liking and since I have switched from IE I no longer hav
57 NWDC10 : I love Firefox. It's alot easier to use plus i tend to "boycott" Micro$oft any way. I also uninstalled IE and blocked it on my Firewall. I believe Fir
58 Jafa39 : Prolly right there, I resisted XP for yonks so I am a bit Old Skool with technology, clearly FF is good if you need to do things other than the very
59 Post contains images Alfa75 : Damn, I thought this was a thread about that Clint Eastwood movie.
60 Post contains images Halcyon : Wow, I saw that movie when I was a kid...thought the graphics were neat back then! It blew the snow off the trees.
61 Chi-town : Hey! I am a plumber at an art gallery!
62 Post contains links KaiGywer : Look for open jobs at www.mesaba.com ... Simple menu on the side. Doesn't work with FF.
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