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Uk Drivers To Get Points For Mobile Use  
User currently offline9V From China, joined Aug 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2449 times:

Motorists caught using their mobile phones while driving will have three points put on their licence.

The new law will come into force on February 27.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1248351,00.html

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User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2449 times:

Does it count if you are using a "hands free" device?

They need to do that here in Miami. You can sit at an intersection and at least one person will blow thru the red light with a cel phone up to their ear.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11611 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2409 times:

Good, it's just as dangerous as being drunk or incapacitated at the wheel.

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User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 1):
Does it count if you are using a "hands free" device?

Nope. But technically you're not allowed to even touch the phone so its a blurry area at the moment because how else are you going to pickup or dial out...?



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8442 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2372 times:
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Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 3):
But technically you're not allowed to even touch the phone so its a blurry area at the moment because how else are you going to pickup or dial out...?

If you have a proper hands free you never need to touch the phone. What pisses me off is seeing motorists with a "hands free" in their ear, plugged into the phone, and driving with the phone held in one hand! Imbeciles.



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2366 times:

Quoting 9V (Thread starter):
Uk Drivers To Get Points For Mobile Use

Maybe so, but you get more for clobbering a pedestrian...  devil   box 



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User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2359 times:

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 3):
how else are you going to pickup or dial out...?

Bluetooth.

Voice dial, auto answer, and with many new cars, you don't even have a headset, as it bluetooths with the car's audio system.

This is a good idea.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

That's a law that makes sense! Here in Costa Rica for example, there are too many idiots driving while using their cell phone and those tend to make sometimes even more accidents than drunk drivers.

If you need to use your cell phone in your car, just pull over! It's so easy. I don't know why people just don't bother.


User currently offlineCarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4756 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2348 times:

In my neck of the woods, getting caught driving while using your cellphone will get you a hefty fine. Still, some people just don't learn... I had a coworker who would always start yapping on her phone while on the road. "Blah blah blah -- could you hold on a moment please? There's a cop ahead" -- then she would put her phone down, drive past the officer, and pick it up again -- "So, where were we? Blah blah blah..."  Yeah sure


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User currently offlineMelpax From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2301 times:

You lose 3 points here as well, and you are also fined. You can lose a maximum of 12 points over a 3 year period, any more and your licence is suspened, I'm sure it's for 6 months.


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User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2295 times:

Well I have to say it, finally the first common-sense law to come out from Tony B Liar's government!

There have been several times when a car has sped around a corner whilst I was crossing the road and narrowly missed me. On every occasion the driver was using a hand-held mobile and neither had his full attention on the road or both hands on the steering wheel. If he had been travelling faster, or perhaps on a straight road, chances are that I would not be here.

So I say slink the book at any driver using a hand-held mobile whilst driving. Better still, give them 6 points for each and every occasion. If the phone is so urgent, why can they not pull over at the first opportunity and then answer?

 devil 



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User currently offlineAussie18 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2295 times:
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Quoting Melpax (Reply 9):
You lose 3 points here as well, and you are also fined. You can lose a maximum of 12 points over a 3 year period, any more and your licence is suspened, I'm sure it's for 6 months.

Full Liscense get 12points for 3 years and start accumulating with new rule of being safe driver increase of couple points after 3years.

Suspension for Liscense.
12 to 15 points: three months.
16 to 19 points: four months.
20 or more points: five months.

Mobile phone offence is
$231 and 3 points in NSW.


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24908 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2294 times:

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 3):
But technically you're not allowed to even touch the phone so its a blurry area at the moment because how else are you going to pickup or dial out...?

Stop the car in a safe place



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User currently offlineMelpax From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2283 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 12):
Stop the car in a safe place

Exactly. Better still, let it ring to voicemail & then pull over & check it. If a message isn't left, it's normally not important!!



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User currently offlineAussie18 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2278 times:
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Quoting Gkirk (Reply 12):
Stop the car in a safe place

Most people are in a hurry and impatient when driving so pulling over would delay them so they would rather take risk.


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2278 times:

In France you have 12 points total credit -
use of mobile 3 points-
speeding less than 20 Km over limit :2points (that works already with 1 Km over limit !!!!!)
more than 20 Km over limit : 4 points
crossing the white line : 2points
no seat belt : 4 points
You have to drive three years without any incident to recover the points (which is literally impossible..)
For me,just a way to make money for the state...

you can recover four points by attending a week-end seminar that costs 300 $.



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User currently offlineMelpax From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2268 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 15):
you can recover four points by attending a week-end seminar that costs 300 $

I'm suprised they haven't introduced this revenue-raising idea here!



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User currently offlineAussie18 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2266 times:
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Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 15):
In France you have 12 points total credit -
use of mobile 3 points-
speeding less than 20 Km over limit :2points (that works already with 1 Km over limit !!!!!)
more than 20 Km over limit : 4 points
crossing the white line : 2points
no seat belt : 4 points
You have to drive three years without any incident to recover the points (which is literally impossible..)
For me,just a way to make money for the state...

you can recover four points by attending a week-end seminar that costs 300 $.

Australia's very similar
NSW most cops wont book you until your doing 10% over the signposted speedlimit and usually wont waste time with drivers until their doing about 20km over speedlimit so their is abit of leanancy is always good or if your regular offender they will not be so leaniant.

15km over 3points $77
15-30km over 3points $231
30km over 4points $590.

Double Demerit periods is worst time to be caught committing driving offense,almost lose lisc with 1 or 2 offenses.


User currently offlineMelpax From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2263 times:

Quoting Aussie18 (Reply 17):
Australia's very similar
NSW most cops wont book you until your doing 10% over the signposted speedlimit and usually wont waste time with drivers until their doing about 20km over speedlimit so their is abit of leanancy is always good or if your regular offender they will not be so leaniant.

You Sydney people are bloody lucky!

Here in Melbourne, the cops have been ordered to follow a 3km per hour tolerance - if you're caught doing 105km/h in a 100 zone, you'll be booked for doing 102km/h. With fixed speed cameras on nearly all freeways, cruise control is your friend!



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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

So it's universally accepted that this is a good idea.

But why such anger towards speed cameras?


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

About time.

So many accidents caused by people driving using a handheld, idiots.



Lee



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User currently offlineMelpax From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 19):
But why such anger towards speed cameras?

Because the state government's here use them as a revenue-rasing source. Permament cameras are rarely placed on dangerous roads, they're usually situated on busy freeways that have thousands of cars using them daily. The state government in my state, Victoria, even includes estimated revenue from speed cameras in it's annual budget.



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8442 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2239 times:
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Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 15):
more than 20 Km over limit : 4 points
crossing the white line : 2points

That is crazy, crossing a solid white line should be a lock up offence.

Quoting Melpax (Reply 21):
Quoting 777236ER (Reply 19):
But why such anger towards speed cameras?

Because the state government's here use them as a revenue-rasing source. Permament cameras are rarely placed on dangerous roads, they're usually situated on busy freeways that have thousands of cars using them daily. The state government in my state, Victoria, even includes estimated revenue from speed cameras in it's annual budget.

Same here, but unlike the UK there is no law that the cameras have to be visible. Look at some of the tricks that Pretoria speed cops use to trap motorists:










I remember in one Top Gear there was a guest who JC introduced as "the minister of speed cameras" which got him a round of jeers from the audience. He said "hang on, we paint the cameras bright yellow and tell you where they are, you still get caught.. who's fault is that?"



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User currently offlineRobertNL070 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 4532 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2238 times:

Handsfree. Handsheld. Bluetooth. It's all the same to me. Unnecessary and dangerous distractions while driving. While I am behind the wheel, my telephone is off. Distractions. Things hanging from the rear-view mirror: absent in my car. Satnav: absent in my car, “be prepared” is my motto when driving – no, I’ve never been a boy scout. Loud music: not permissable in my car.

You shouldn't drive for much longer than two hours without taking a short break. Check your voice-mail then. I cannot imagine how people can take part in conversations, make good and/or difficult decisions and concentrate 100% on the matter at hand ... driving on our increasingly busier roads.

Just recently someone crashed into the rear-end of an already crash-damaged car on a motorway in broad daylight and fair weather conditions. What withheld him from noticing the obstacle on time and taking precautionary action? I don't know. Unfortunately it wasn't mentioned.



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User currently offlineBHXFAOTIPYYC From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2222 times:

Eur 120 fine here. No points on licence. There isn't a points system here.


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25 KaiGywer : Haha, I've done that when I was driving in Norway. Because their only purpose is to issue tickets. A cop in a patrol car can issue tickets, but will
26 Post contains images DL787932ER : Gas prices aside, I don't think I could afford to drive in France, Oz, or SA just based on fines and insurance alone. Are the limits set more reasona
27 Post contains images KaiGywer : You just keep living that thought. Do you know how many tickets we could write if we were to write every speeder? From standby to on, the radar is im
28 Post contains images DL787932ER : I believe it because it's what I observe to be true. Your mileage may vary. I know it's not possible to catch everyone who's speeding, but once someo
29 KaiGywer : Maybe a little bit of politeness on your part would get you out of more tickets. Hmm, strange. I hit the button, I see your speed...next please!
30 Post contains images VC10 : Here in the UK so I understand the tolerance is exceeding the speed limit by 10% + 3 MPH, which I believe the police forces have accepted as the natio
31 Post contains images KaiGywer : How about just slowing down?
32 IFEMaster : Tell me how talking on a telephone hands free is any different to talking to someone sat in the passenger seat, or listening to talk radio. Or do you
33 Post contains images DL787932ER : Not in my experience. Here's the typical scenario: I get pulled over. I roll my window down all the way. Turn the car off, put the keys on the dash i
34 KaiGywer : Error number 1. Tell this to the judge, not the cop on the side of the road. See above. Depending on how busy dispatch is, it can take a while to get
35 DL787932ER : If this isn't what you as a police officer would want to hear, could you offer a suggestion that you would prefer? The officer always seems to ask so
36 Ryangooner : Few points of Law for my fellow Brits that you may not have known (English and Welsh)... 1. Get caught using hand held mobile device whilst driving a
37 Post contains images KaiGywer : Most of the time, if you fess up to your error (within reason of course), you'll get off with a verbal warning. Hell, we had one guy going 46 in a 30
38 Aussie18 : Most of the ones in NSW have been put in because of Major accidents/fatalities ,Slowing traffic down on sharp corners,hills etc and busy roads to slo
39 Post contains images DL787932ER : Eh, I tried that once (the time the officer took a smoke break before giving me the ticket). I thought I had a reasonably good (and provably true) ex
40 777236ER : Regarding speed cameras in the UK; they're painted flourescent, reflective yellow, and the police tell you where they are. So if you get caught, whose
41 Andz :
42 777236ER : Lol, well there you go!
43 Melpax : I've noticed that with NSW. Notable examples are just outside of Tarcutta on the Hume Highway along a dangerous strech of single lane road, and The S
44 KaiGywer : IF this is accurate, sounds like the cop needs to spend his time better. We are taught to either give a verbal warning and "lecture" or a ticket. Not
45 Banco : Since I've got a clean licence I have some sympathy with that view. My greatest objection to the speed camera concept is the way it is structured; th
46 777236ER : The problem with police and revenue goes a lot further than speed cameras. A friend of mine owns a business, and a while back one of his front window
47 Ryangooner : I somehow doubt this, you either have 1 or the other, plus there is no such fine of £70.00. Ryan
48 Post contains images WrenchBender : Please explain the theory behind this one ???? Pull over to the side of the road switch your engine OFF answer your mobile Mission accomplished- idio
49 777236ER : It was either £60 or £70.
50 Pilotdude09 : The other thing in Australia is they put the locations of speed cameras on the news at night? an people still get caught duh!!. When we were in the US
51 KaiGywer : It's illegal here to have two earbuds in your ears. One is ok (used for cell phone talking or music...doesn't matter).
52 Post contains links Pilotdude09 : Heres something New Zealand road workers are using to combat speeding drivers and the police are backing it. I reckon police around the work could use
53 Ryangooner : I can explain some of it but as to some of the laws that exist who knows why!!! Funny you should mention this as the day after i posted this i came a
54 WrenchBender : Thanks Ryan, I forgot about those silly little country roads barely 1 lane wide. But at least she wasn't driving and yakking. WrenhBender
55 Post contains images Banco : It's to keep the townies away. And a bloody good thing too.
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