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What Is Going On In The NBA?!  
User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2587 times:

Is this becoming a thug sport now?! Kevin Garnett of Minnesota was suspended for one game for fighting with a Piston's player (I think..)

The game of basketball has become much more dangerous than ever before. What gives?!

And those gawd awful tattoos! Ughh! Poor taste, who would really want to permanently mark themselves with disgraceful tattoos? Not me.

I can now safely say I am no longer a fan of the NBA, those people are killing the amusement of the game. If they want to fight, go to join a kickboxing club or a fight club.

Stern (NBA Commissioner) is a wuss, he can't even control his league. Go figure!

Now that I have ranted, flame away. I'll stick to football and baseball any day.


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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2578 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Thread starter):
Stern (NBA Commissioner) is a wuss

Indeed he could be. I remember reading this article about the new Spalding ball, which was specially designed to improve the game in the NBA, but then Stern got into trouble with the players, as they hate the ball and feel that it doesn't improve anything at all, which is why soon they'll switch back to the old leather Spalding Ball. Seems like Stern is unable to stand by what he did when he's under pressure.

And while I like playing basketball every now and then (though I haven't played in years), the NBA has become way too boring for me. It's just not the same as it was years ago, with players like Gary Payton, Detlef Schrempf, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Patrick Ewing and the Karl Malone-John Stockton combo. Those players, along with Dream Team I, were who awoke my interest in the NBA. Now it's all about LeBron James and him being the future Michael Jordan this, Kobe Bryant and his sex scandals here. It's almost like a soap opera.

I'm sticking with American Football, Hockey and regular football.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2574 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):
remember reading this article about the new Spalding ball, which was specially designed to improve the game in the NBA, but then Stern got into trouble with the players, as they hate the ball and feel that it doesn't improve anything at all, which is why soon they'll switch back to the old leather Spalding Ball.

Didnt they already go back to the regular balls Jan 01?

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):
It's just not the same as it was years ago, with players like Gary Payton, Detlef Schrempf, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Patrick Ewing and the Karl Malone-John Stockton combo.

 checkmark  Those were the good old days where everybody got along with everybody. Rarely saw any fights. Wished the days were still like it. I dont remember seeing a whole lot of players with distasteful tattoos back then.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2571 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 2):
Didnt they already go back to the regular balls Jan 01?

No idea about that.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 2):
I dont remember seeing a whole lot of players with distasteful tattoos back then.

Well, there was Dennis Rodman and his tatoos, but at least he was entertaining.  Wink Almost like the Eric Cantona of the NBA.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2565 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 3):
Well, there was Dennis Rodman and his tatoos, but at least he was entertaining.

Oh, damn! I forgot about that crazy dude! LOL!



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User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2561 times:

I'd rather give Charles Manson a sponge bath than watch an NBA game.

User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Thread starter):
Now that I have ranted, flame away. I'll stick to football and baseball any day.

Meh...after watching NHL, I almost can't stand the NFL or NBA anymore. The game is so fast-paced that it almost makes watching the NFL right on par with watching Nursing Home walker races. NBA...shudders. I've never really cared for it anyway. Baseball, well, it's a slow game, but to me there's still something entertaining about it. It's the boys of summer, it's always on the tube in the summer evenings, it's old timey.  Silly

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 3):
Well, there was Dennis Rodman

With all that metal crap on his face, I'll bet he looks like a party favor when he sneezes...


User currently offlineSmithAir747 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1628 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2529 times:

What's this about a new design of basketball for the NBA?

What's the difference between the new Spalding ball and the old balls? Is it in the physics?

SmithAir747



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2518 times:

Quoting SmithAir747 (Reply 7):
What's this about a new design of basketball for the NBA?

What's the difference between the new Spalding ball and the old balls? Is it in the physics?

Synthetic versus leather. Enough folks complained about the synthetic ones they have gone back to the leather. Not sure about the physics of it but the players said they didn't like the feel.

Steve Nash complained about the cuts he kept getting on his hands while Shaq complained about them making his free throw percentage get lower (as if it really could go any lower.)

Quoting AirframeAS (Thread starter):
What Is Going On In The NBA?!

When you give ghetto trash and felons large sums of money what sort of behavior do you expect? Kevin Garnett has seemed to be a good guy compared to some of them out there but I offer up the Portland Jailblazers, Rasheed Wallace, Ron Artest, and Allen Iverson as glowing examples of worthless scum in the NBA.



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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2518 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):
Indeed he could be. I remember reading this article about the new Spalding ball, which was specially designed to improve the game in the NBA, but then Stern got into trouble with the players, as they hate the ball and feel that it doesn't improve anything at all, which is why soon they'll switch back to the old leather Spalding Ball. Seems like Stern is unable to stand by what he did when he's under pressure.

That's because Stern was a moron for forcing the ball on the players without getting their opinion or "field testing" it. A majority of players complained about the new ball, and in the end one of the factors with the recall was that the ball being much dryer and of a different composition was actually giving cuts on player's fingers.

Quoting SmithAir747 (Reply 7):
What's the difference between the new Spalding ball and the old balls? Is it in the physics?

The "new" ball had two interlocking panels as opposed to the 8 (?) in a traditional basketball. Also the main difference was that this ball was synthetic and made of microfiber. It also took on less moisture, which was also another complaint, along with the feeling among the players that the ball was basically forced on them with little time for adjustment.


Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 2):
Those were the good old days where everybody got along with everybody. Rarely saw any fights.

haha...BS! Fights have been around since the NBA was popular. As great of a player he was, Larry Bird was dirty and got into a lot of fights. Karl Malone? Also remember the "Bad Boys" from the old Pistons. It's also said that Jordan loved talking shit during the games. People who think it's worse now just romanticize the past.



Also, why do people seem to always criticize the NBA? The NHL has practically a minimum fight per game and nobody seems to make any outcry about that; in fact it's condoned.



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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2513 times:

I enjoy going to games in person (which is maybe 3 or 4 games a season at most since my dad has Heat tickets which I use over my breaks, but then again Ill go see almost any sport in person), but I cant stand it on TV...I enjoy college basketball much more...


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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2501 times:

Unfortunately, in every major sports, you have your idiots, like Ron Artest, who live to make a bad rep for themselves. I'm surprised at KG going off. He's been one of the good eggs since coming into the league, and I think it was out of character for him to do what he did-same for 'Melo, to be honest.

But the NBA has a lot of positives going for it right now-so many great young players, like D-Wade, LeBron, Josh Howard, Gilbert Arenas, 'Melo. They have a lot of incredible vets as well, who, for the most part, give the league a positive image: Yao Ming, Steve Nash, Dirk Nowitzke, Paul Pierce, Tim Duncan. The league is in an upswing right now, and the positives outweigh the negatives at this point and time.


User currently offlineGunships From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 574 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2485 times:

Too much running back and forth and passing the ball around.


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Soccer


User currently offlineDavestanKSAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1678 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2477 times:

How are you doing AirframeAS, nice to see your post.

I think the NBA has lost some of its allure in the past few years.

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 9):
haha...BS! Fights have been around since the NBA was popular. As great of a player he was, Larry Bird was dirty and got into a lot of fights. Karl Malone? Also remember the "Bad Boys" from the old Pistons. It's also said that Jordan loved talking shit during the games. People who think it's worse now just romanticize the past.

   Excellent post. How quickly people forget the past.

Quoting AirframeAS (Thread starter):
And those gawd awful tattoos! Ughh! Poor taste, who would really want to permanently mark themselves with disgraceful tattoos? Not me.

I don't know if you meant this or not but just because someone has tattoos doesn't make them less of a person.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 8):
When you give ghetto trash and felons large sums of money what sort of behavior do you expect?

   what qualifies someone as "ghetto trash?"

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 9):
Also, why do people seem to always criticize the NBA? The NHL has practically a minimum fight per game and nobody seems to make any outcry about that; in fact it's condoned.

Call me crazy, but I think race plays a part in it.   

Dave

[Edited 2007-01-23 00:39:13]


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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2463 times:

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 13):
Call me crazy, but I think race plays a part in it.

You know, normally I hate the use and mention of the race card, but in this case, I think there is some truth to the arguement.



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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3474 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2442 times:

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 9):
Also, why do people seem to always criticize the NBA? The NHL has practically a minimum fight per game and nobody seems to make any outcry about that; in fact it's condoned.

Absolutely. Yet no one can answer that question. I'm pretty sure we know the answer though...

Jeremy


User currently offlineGEEDO From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2432 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 8):
Kevin Garnett has seemed to be a good guy compared to some of them out there but I offer up the Portland Jailblazers, Rasheed Wallace, Ron Artest, and Allen Iverson

I don't pay attention to hoops so much anymore, so I can't comment on KG, one way or the other, but he seems like a decent man. I live in Portland and have watched the last deacde and some produce a long list of law crossing or not so law crossing incidents that were media frezies. You had guys dropping ounces of weed in airports, guys raising fighting dogs in their backyards, guys getting pulled over in their Hummers between PDX and SEA, not to mention the occasional "on court" escipade. I think even Cliff Robinson got nailed for a weapons violation while he was still here. Our woes go back a long ways, but the overall state of the league is equally trashy right now and until Stern or whomever else can instill something positive, its going to be ugly.



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2410 times:

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 13):
what qualifies someone as "ghetto trash?"

Allen Iverson, 'nuff said.

He was a convicted felon in prison and the Governor of Virginia overturned his conviction so he could be released and get a scholarship to Georgetown. Never mind all the trouble he has gotten into with weapons charges, wife beating, etc. since he turned pro.

If that isn't Ghetto Trash then please enlighten me to what is.

Edit: Spellcheck

[Edited 2007-01-23 03:55:30]


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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Thread starter):
Is this becoming a thug sport now?! Kevin Garnett of Minnesota was suspended for one game for fighting with a Piston's player (I think..)

You know, I had to check your profile to see if you were a girl or not. I'm still not convinced by this wimpy ill informed WHINE. Are there some morons in the NBA? Absolutely!! But don't lop the Alonso Mournings, Shaquile O' Neal's, and the other community oriented players (some who do happen to have tattoos like myself) into this lot because you can't see the forrest through the trees.

If you really didn't care why did you bother with this post?


User currently offlineORDRyan28 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 988 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2372 times:

I miss the "good ole" days of the NBA. I grew up watching the Bulls reign supreme, with the likes of: MJ (!), Scottie Pippen, D-Rod..

The game has changed since then it seems..

what a shame..  ashamed 



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2346 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 8):
When you give ghetto trash and felons large sums of money what sort of behavior do you expect?

How do you know if they were felons when they were drafted?

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 9):
haha...BS! Fights have been around since the NBA was popular. As great of a player he was, Larry Bird was dirty and got into a lot of fights. Karl Malone? Also remember the "Bad Boys" from the old Pistons. It's also said that Jordan loved talking shit during the games. People who think it's worse now just romanticize the past.

You gotta admit that the brawls are much rougher now than they used to be 10-15 years ago. Basketball back then was played with CLASS.

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 13):
How are you doing AirframeAS, nice to see your post.

Im doing great, thank you for asking.

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 13):
I don't know if you meant this or not but just because someone has tattoos doesn't make them less of a person.

I wouldnt want my kid to see a fella's tattoo that says "Killer" across the bicep. Would you?? (This is just an example...)

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 18):
You know, I had to check your profile to see if you were a girl or not.

I hope you were pleased with the outcome.  wave 

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 18):
I'm still not convinced by this wimpy ill informed WHINE.

How was it wimpy?

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 18):
But don't lop the Alonso Mournings, Shaquile O' Neal's, and the other community oriented players (some who do happen to have tattoos like myself) into this lot because you can't see the forrest through the trees.

Never did. I only named one person: Kevin Garnett. Show me where I named other NBA basketball players, please.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 18):
If you really didn't care why did you bother with this post?

Oh, I do care. And I bothered by starting this thread.



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2337 times:

The morning paper this morning raises the question if it wasn't for that snowstorm in Denver last month, the Suns might be going for their 33rd straight win tonight. They pointed the game at Denver would have been right after the trade, so Denver would have been short of players, and the Suns wouldn't have been trapped in Denver for several days, and only getting back to PHX 2 hours before tipoff with the Washington team which finally beat them. I wonder if the Washington game wasn't on national TV would it have been postponed, since the NBA has a rule about being in the next city X number of hours prior to the game.

User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2336 times:

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 9):
Also, why do people seem to always criticize the NBA? The NHL has practically a minimum fight per game and nobody seems to make any outcry about that; in fact it's condoned.

That's probably because NHL fights have been going on for so long that they have developed unwritten rules around them. To quote Wikipedia:

"The hockey fight is like professional boxing, a somewhat ritualized affair with clear rules (not always written) between acceptable and unacceptable behavior.

The acceptable form is boxing/grappling between a pair of players. They will maneuver themselves to either tie up their opponents' arms, or free an arm for a punch to the opponent's face/head. This form of combat is known in hockey parlance as the "dance," as the players will often circle each other in a grapple, looking for an advantage. When a pair of well-matched opposing players engage in a fight, the action of the officials is to back off while blows are actively being thrown. Usually very quickly one or both of the combatants will clinch the other so that punches can no longer be thrown, often falling to the ice in the process, or one of the combatants will "turtle" -- this is when the officials will enter the fray and carefully separate the combatants.

The "unwritten" rules outlaw any form of kicking, punching the stomach, touching the groin area using equipment or other forms of cheap shots to gain an advantage. It must remain similar to a boxing match on skates.

It is not uncommon for one or the other combatants to be bloodied, but significant injuries are rare. The most common injuries are facial lacerations, bruises, and broken noses. This partially has to do with the poor balance a person has on skates. A devastating punch is more difficult to land when one still must focus their balance and weight to some degree on their feet. Thus, some significant injuries have occurred when the unwritten rules are broken and one player has a significant balance advantage (for example, a punch on a player who is being restained by officials, or a downward punch on a player who is already knocked down and lying prone). The NHL often suspends players who take this course."

You rarely see bench-clearing free-for-alls in the NHL, like what happens when there are fights in other sports.



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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3474 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2333 times:

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 22):
That's probably because NHL fights have been going on for so long that they have developed unwritten rules around them.

It doesn't matter. The rules should be no fighting across the board, for all sports, period. Basketball shouldn't be the exception.

Jeremy


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3474 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2328 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Thread starter):
Is this becoming a thug sport now?! Kevin Garnett of Minnesota was suspended for one game for fighting with a Piston's player (I think..)

Why are people in basketball who fight or scuffle "thugs," while hockey or baseball players are not? Garnett threw a ball and sorta punched a guy for shoving his teammate (Madsen), while hockey players have broken people's necks and seriously hurt them. If these people were in a predominantly white sport it would be completely fine to fight, or would actually be cheered on like in hockey. It's sad the double standards that exist in our society....

Jeremy


25 Yellowstone : But hockey fights very rarely devolve into serious injuries or all out brawls, while fights in other sports often do lead to brawls. I'm not saying th
26 AirframeAS : Because the majority of the NBA players are from the 'hood, or lack therof. They act like "gangsta's". Its a no brainer. Hockey: Self explainatory. T
27 SESGDL : No they're not. What does a "gangsta" act like, BTW? Enlighten me. Huh? I have no idea what you're getting at here. Pure delusion. How many people ha
28 AirframeAS : Look no further than Allen Iverson, sir. Because you're ignorant.
29 Mdsh00 : NBA isn't that common either considering how many games are played. Sports are sports and especially when there are people making contact, there will
30 SESGDL : No, buddy, you are. Were you hinting that fighting is for some reason exhibited due to the player's race, or was it something else? I truthfully didn
31 Post contains images SESGDL : And he represents the whole NBA? Because I know sooo many other NBA players who've been in jail and are convicted felons.... Surely Steve Nash and Di
32 AirframeAS : No, you brought the race card into it, not me. Thats what I bashed you about, sir. I never said that, I was anwsering this question you asked: You as
33 SESGDL : People act as if race can't be used as a reason for things or actions, when in actuality it often is. In this case, I think it was completely warrant
34 AirframeAS : Lets agree to disagree. I was talking about the NBA, not even the NHL, MLB, NFL or any other sport for that matter. I could care less what went on in
35 SESGDL : Absolutely. However, I wasn't the first to bring up race, see reply 13. Jeremy
36 AirframeAS : I stand corrected, my apologies.
37 AirCop : I'm no great fan of the NBA, but I just something today, the Warrior's Jackson was found in violation of his probation by discharging a fire arm outsi
38 Post contains images SESGDL : No apologies necessary, honest mistake. I make so many mistakes on this forum it's scary. Jeremy
39 FlyDeltaJets87 : There's a fact that so many in the politically correct crowd refuse to accept. When I was working the Chick-Fil-A LPGA tournament one year, before th
40 Post contains images FXramper : NBA Draft Checklist 1. Declare for draft 2. Get an agent 3. Buy a handgun 4. Get a grill 5. Start a brawl
41 Mdsh00 : Often?? I think that's quite an overstatement. Part of the reason the Pistons-Pacers brawl was so condemned was that it went INTO the stands...which
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