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Segolene Royal - Nothing Good In Her  
User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2153 posts, RR: 36
Posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 933 times:

Those of you who are not aware (by now), Segolene Royal is a left wing French president candidate.

I find her more and more disturbing as time goes on. Her entire campaign is based on the media making her out of nothing. Her political credentials essentially being limited to 11 months as a minister of the environment in 1992 and being the president of a regional board.

If that weren't enough, she has had most of her face uplifted (including teeth redone, whitened, etc...), just try and find pictures of her a few years ago and compare to today.

Her campaign is based on not really communicating what her plans are, just rebuffing with "well the French people will tell me what they want" and "if I were a man you wouldn't be asking me those questions".

However, recently it has become worse. Instead of essentially minding her own business and campaigning in France, she is behaving like if she were a French official delegate. She has done such trips to China or the middle east amongst others.

In Israel she committed several errors and nearly sparked a diplomatic row (between the real officials) in the region and France. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6208442.stm

Now, her latest gaffe is to tell the Quebecois that they are right to demand seperation. Who does she think she is? Once again, she should be minding her own business and concentrating on her campaign IN France and not interfering everywhere and seeing every case in a simplistic way. [I am making this comment as both a French and Canadian Citizen.]
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/w...0123-0438-france-canada-royal.html

Hopefully she will soon be a (bad) memory of the past. The sooner the French population realizes that under her control France will have huge diplomatic tensions with other countries, that the rare policies she has admitted she wants to put into place do not make sense.

The whole voting for a lady is nonsense anyways, she isn't the right person. Give a woman who is smart, intelligent and charismatic and not Segolene any day.

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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 920 times:

Quoting Runway23 (Thread starter):
In Israel she committed several errors and nearly sparked a diplomatic row (between the real officials) in the region and France. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/62...2.stm

the "main error committed" was done by the writer of the BBC who described Mahmoud Abbas as "earlier leader" but Mahmoud Abbas still IS the state-president of the P.A. . And what should she have said about the matter when that Hizbie described the Israeli action against Lebanon last summer in the way he did ? Exaggerated it of course was, but not so wide off the mark
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Quoting Runway23 (Thread starter):
Now, her latest gaffe is to tell the Quebecois that they are right to demand seperation. Who does she think she is? Once again, she should be minding her own business and concentrating on her campaign IN France

to encourage the Quebecois towards independence since the days of CDG was inofficial French politics, whenever usually veiled somehow. And she apparently wants to "link up" in a way with CDG
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I in fact am in favour of Nicolas Sarkozy who I regard as an able politician, but if she wins, it is alright with me. Quite beside the point that your arguments reveal a certain mental "distance" towards French mentality.


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5564 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 902 times:

I really hope for France that this women won't be elected. She is left wing.

User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 849 times:

Quoting ZRH (Reply 2):
She is left wing.

that she is "left-wing" is not the problem. Lionel Jospin also was "left-wing". The problem rather is as R23 has mentioned above, that doubts about her capabilities and competence are well justified. In view of the obvious fact that she apparently has an appeal to "the Frankophones" far heavier than I would have expected and now in polls is 50/50 with Sarkozy it is time to get acquainted to the idea to have "Madame le President" in charge in Paris soon.


User currently offline707CMF From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 842 times:

Sorry, mr Rhaat. I haven't really read what you've posted, but I feel there is an error in the title. It should rathr read as : Segolene Royal - Nothing Good In Her

Cheers,

707


User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 834 times:

As much as I tend to agree with the two Elbonian fools, you however have to consider what other candidates are likely to be present at 2nd round.

These shall probably be Nicolas Sarkozy or even worse, Mr Le PENdre again.

So as much as I dislike certain aspects of Ségolène, I shall surely be voting for her at the second round.

UTA  checkeredflag 



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 825 times:

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 5):
shall surely be voting for her at the second round.

I expect that you in the 2nd round will have to decide between Mr Sarkozy and Mrs Royal. If LePen will be one of the two, then people have the choice between Democracy and Nazism, so that such a scenario would be extreme (again). And here comes the question to you: do you in fact prefer Mrs Royal to Mr Sarkozy ? or the other way round ?
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User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2754 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 820 times:

Quoting ZRH (Reply 2):
I really hope for France that this women won't be elected. She is left wing.

What's wrong with that? (Not that I'm especially left wing)?

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 3):
that she is "left-wing" is not the problem. Lionel Jospin also was "left-wing". The problem rather is as R23 has mentioned above, that doubts about her capabilities and competence are well justified. In view of the obvious fact that she apparently has an appeal to "the Frankophones" far heavier than I would have expected and now in polls is 50/50 with Sarkozy it is time to get acquainted to the idea to have "Madame le President" in charge in Paris soon.

A pretty good response ME AVN FAN.

While I live in France as an EU citizen and pay French taxes through my teeth, I cannot vote. But if I were to vote I think I'd take the "risk" and vite for Royale. France needs a MAJOR change in its politics. Royale is the only sign of that, yet granted perhaps not the most ideal, but at least I would hope for some changes with her.
I used to like Sarkozy until I started to realise he's just, IMHO, a far more intelligent, somewhat more democratic and more diplomatic version of the fool Le Pen.
I think we have only 2 choices as we also seem to have realised: Sarkozy or Royale; Old world or fresh and new; radical or not radical. I don't think Royale is the ideal choice, but I sincerely hope French people will TAKE THE RISK and vote this woman in, as I don't see anything good coming out of Sarkozy. We don't really know what Royale will do, but I honestly see her causing a lot less harm that Sarkozy will. In my opinion, Sarkozy IS a true politician, and one of those politicians who is primarily concerned about his own career and what people think about him. I think Royale may still ahve some quaint political ideals... perhaps this is what we need.
The vote is close, about 50/50, and outside of Paris Royale does seem more popular in the provinces.
I actually think there are quite a number of similarities between Spain and France in this situation, as in Sarkozy could be France's Aznar, and Royale could be France's José Maria Zapatero. Aznar was a radical right wing fool who, no matter what his "blinded" supporters say, caused Spain much damage. Though Sarkozy is a lot more charismatic than boring Aznar, than I'll give him! Before Zapatero arrived people had a similar view on him as many have regarding Royale. Zapatero arrived, and well it's quite difficult to judge if he's doing Spain much good, which is the worst case scenario with Royale in my opinion, despite the pretty good foreign popularity Zapatero has gained.
Anyway, my non-official vote is decided... Royale for La Presidente de la République!



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 806 times:

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 7):
France needs a MAJOR change in its politics.

two questions :
> DOES France really NEED "change" ? and WHAT change ?
> what REALLY can Madame La Presidente change when in office ?


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 799 times:

I will never vote for her, unless she is against Le Pen.
She is really stupid and I wonder how France would be if she is elected.
Unfortunately, lots of people love her, and she is really able to win.



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User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2754 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 792 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 8):
DOES France really NEED "change" ? and WHAT change ?

Where to start?
* An exorberently expensive social system. (which I admit is great, but is cirppling state accounts).
* Always same old same old politicians from the same schools, same ideas.
* France has been a world power, but is losing that. Why? Because of stagnent politics and little ambition (by the politicians, not the people, to change).
* France is becoming less and less competitive... that's a major problems.
* Unemployment levels are still awful.
* The entire tax system is mad, yet they do seem to be working on that.
* Simply France needs to open up to the world, leave some of its archaic strategies and embrace more modern and global approaches to business, corporate culture, corporate taxes...
Apart from that France is a great place, I just fear it's not doing half as wel as it has the potential to do.

So will Sarkozy fix that? Probably not as he's "same old same old". I'm sure he'll crack down hard on criminality, immigration and basically attempt to turn France into some sort of "Police State".

Will Royale fix that? I have no idea, but she is NOT the "same old same old", so either little will happen, or much will happen.

Now I usually take the comfortable stance and say I'm fairly centre in politics. I probably have slightly more right wing tendencies, but I'm open to the left, and to be honest in today's Europe, I don't really think voting left/right counts for that much anymore, but it's voting for the candidates.

What would I prefer? Different candidates. But with Sarkozy and Royale, I hope for Royale as I have a very bad feeling the vast majority of people willd eeply regret voting Sarkozy as President a few years down the road if he wins. Mark my words. (Of course I may be wrong, but I don't trust that man for one second).

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 8):
what REALLY can Madame La Presidente change when in office ?



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 773 times:

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 10):
* An exorberently expensive social system. (which I admit is great, but is cirppling state accounts).

> and you think a government under socialist command will reduce social expenses ?
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Quoting Toulouse (Reply 10):
Always same old same old politicians from the same schools, same ideas.

and you think that with her as president, the "old guard" will retire ?
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Quoting Toulouse (Reply 10):
* France has been a world power, but is losing that. Why? Because of stagnent politics and little ambition (by the politicians, not the people, to change).

you remember the "Louisiana Purchase" ? which not only was the end of France being a REAL world power, but which was the result of too much ambition. Beside that, the loss of the French Empire overseas brought that French role to its end. France stopped to be a world power in the 1960ies
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Quoting Toulouse (Reply 10):
* France is becoming less and less competitive... that's a major problems.
* Unemployment levels are still awful.

competetiveness is NOT a result of governments meddling in the economy, but usually rather the contrary
unemployment levels go down if the economy is sufficiently well of to outbalance the structural loss of jobs by increased efficiency
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Quoting Toulouse (Reply 10):
France needs to open up to the world, leave some of its archaic strategies and embrace more modern and global approaches to business, corporate culture, corporate taxes...

most of these demands would be demands to topple any social-democratic government, but NOT in favour of installing a Socialist government
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Quoting Toulouse (Reply 10):
regret voting Sarkozy as President a few years down the road if he wins. Mark my words. (Of course I may be wrong, but I don't trust that man for one second).

while I regard Sarkozy as a hardline-rightwinger, I have quite some trust in his capabilities. The promise of a government under the lead of Madame la Presidente Segolene Royal rather would be social programs to help socially disadvantaged groups like people in some derelect outer suburbs, social programs to help professionally active mothers, AND the continuation of "Gaullist" foreign politics .
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User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 766 times:

Quoting Runway23 (Thread starter):
if I were a man you wouldn't be asking me those questions".

If she really said that, then  banghead  and  redflag 

I cannot stand it when women use that old line. Also, when someone responds in that way it usually means "I don't have an answer so I am going to turn it back on you."


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