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Why Not Sell Nuclear Tech To Taiwan?  
User currently offlineSean1234 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 411 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1507 times:

Considering the aggressive posturing by China over Taiwan, I want to discuss the possibility of arming Taiwan with nuclear weapons. Two possibities are the US builds a base there and keeps the weapons under its control. Or second the US sells the weapons directly to Taiwan. I am pretty certain the US does not have any military base on the island and building one would cause outrage from China. But giving them weapons seems problematic in its own right, since I don't recall the US ever doing such a thing. Furthermore from the little I read out about it I, don't believe the Taiwan government is very stable.

But if the nation had nukes on top of short range missiles such a capability would deter any military invasion from China and Taiwan could have its independence.

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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1501 times:

No thanks. Keep it in the hands of the U.S. There's enough nuclear powers out there now. We don't need another.

User currently offlineSean1234 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1498 times:

What would the Chinese do in response? Sell to Cuba? Venezuela? A diplomatic f**ck you.

User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1493 times:

Quoting Sean1234 (Thread starter):
But if the nation had nukes on top of short range missiles such a capability would deter any military invasion from China and Taiwan could have its independence.

The moment China got wind of such a deal was in the making, Taiwan would be invaded. China simply wouldnt let such a deal happen and would take action before it could.


User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1492 times:

Are you kidding?

Haven't you ever seen the clips of their governing bogy members going after each other with shoes?

That's the last thing you want to sell them.


User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21866 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1489 times:

Quoting Sean1234 (Reply 2):
What would the Chinese do in response?

Flip out.

Quoting Sean1234 (Reply 2):
Sell to Cuba?

Nope. Not with Castro on the way out.

Quoting Sean1234 (Reply 2):
Venezuela?

You bet your ass they would.

Very, very bad idea. In fact, that could very easily be the action that would start World War III.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2168 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1477 times:

Quoting Sean1234 (Thread starter):


But if the nation had nukes on top of short range missiles such a capability would deter any military invasion from China and Taiwan could have its independence.

Since when do the United States advocate Taiwanese independence? The US are committed to a One China policy and don't recognize Taiwan as a country.

The triangle Taipei-Beijing-Washington is a highly delicate and complicated political affair. Giving nuclear weapons to anyone is certainly the last thing the US would do.

Besides, though not outspoken, US guarantees against a hostile invasion of Taiwan are pretty clear; and America DOES have nuclear weapons. So why give them to Taipei.



Samson was a biblical tough guy, but his dad Samsonite was even more of a hard case.
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1469 times:

Quoting Rara (Reply 6):
Since when do the United States advocate Taiwanese independence? The US are committed to a One China policy and don't recognize Taiwan as a country.

The U.S. has always advocated Taiwan as an Independent nation-for years. Maybe that's kind of bass ackwards with a "One China policy", but the U.S. has never favored anyone falling under a communist dictatorship.


User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2168 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1444 times:

Hi,

the US has always advocated Taiwanese people living in a free and democratic society and has sought to protect them from oppressive rule from Mainland China.

However, show me ONE official US statement that Taiwan should become an independent nation. You're completely off on this one.



Samson was a biblical tough guy, but his dad Samsonite was even more of a hard case.
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1442 times:

Quoting Rara (Reply 8):
the US has always advocated Taiwanese people living in a free and democratic society and has sought to protect them from oppressive rule from Mainland China.

However, show me ONE official US statement that Taiwan should become an independent nation. You're completely off on this one.

Read what you wrote, my friend: what you say in the two paragraphs is a total contradiction.

In the first you say the U.S. wants Taiwain to bee free and democratic, but not indpendent. You have to have the latter to have the former, especially when the nation that covets you doesn't believe in free and democratic societies.

Like you yourself said, it's a complicated relationship. And while the U.S. does have a "one China policy", that does not mean the U.S. shies away from a free, democratic, INDEPENDENT Taiwan.

It's an utter contradiction. Maybe it hasn't been said out loud in years, but it's said sotto voce all the time in the West.

Edited for italics error.

[Edited 2007-01-24 02:11:09]

User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2168 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1431 times:

Sorry, but there's no contradiction at all. The real contradiction is your sentence ("the U.S. does have a 'one China policy'", but wants a "free, democratic, INDEPENDENT Taiwan" - so it really is a two Chinas policy or what?)

It's out of question that Taiwan has a de-facto self-governing administration since the Kuomintang fled from the Mainland in the late 1940s. However, that does not mean that Taiwan is an independent nation; in fact, it is not a nation at all, and the US has no intention whatsoever to change that status.

Even Taiwan itself doesn't declare itself an independent nation. The Democratic Party sometimes plays with the thought of declaring independence, but hasn't done so yet (and couldn't, as it would be met with intense opposition by the anti-indepence KMT).

Thus One China is the inherent policy goal of Taiwan, China, the US and most other Western countries alike. By the way, independence is not a prerequisite for freedom and democracy, as you state. Hong Kong is an example for an area of freedom and justice, on its best way towards a full democracy, despite belonging to the People's Republic.



Samson was a biblical tough guy, but his dad Samsonite was even more of a hard case.
User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1430 times:

Quoting Sean1234 (Thread starter):
Considering the aggressive posturing by China over Taiwan, I want to discuss the possibility of arming Taiwan with nuclear weapons.

Sorry, but we can't. As a party to the Non-Proliferation Treaty, the US, as a Nuclear Weapons State (NWS), cannot transfer "nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices" technology to other states.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1397 times:

The less the number of Nuclear Weapon states the Better  Smile
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineDL787932ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1369 times:

Basing nuclear missiles on Taiwan would be massively destabilizing to the delicate balance that exists among the U.S., Taiwan, and the PRC. China has declared that Taiwanese possession of weapons of mass destruction would trigger an immediate invasion.

Besides, it's utterly unnecessary. The U.S. is pledged to help defend Taiwan in the event of unilateral PRC aggression. Should it come to nuclear weapons, we already have thousands of warheads that could be closer to mainland China than Taiwan is and strike anywhere in China within fifteen minutes. So missiles on Taiwan don't provide a strategic advantage even if they were politically possible.



F L Y D E L T A J E T S
User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2168 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1357 times:

One of the questions to which I don't have an answer.... if China were to launch an invasion, would the U.S. really come to Taiwan's aid?


Samson was a biblical tough guy, but his dad Samsonite was even more of a hard case.
User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21866 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1354 times:

Quoting Rara (Reply 14):
if China were to launch an invasion, would the U.S. really come to Taiwan's aid?

I believe that we would, but that it would be the beginning of something extremely nasty.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2168 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days ago) and read 1347 times:

Start a world war, with no vital American interests at stake?


Samson was a biblical tough guy, but his dad Samsonite was even more of a hard case.
User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1335 times:

Taiwan was actually close to a nuclear plan in the 60 with the minor support from the US

User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1327 times:

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 4):
Are you kidding?



Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 3):
The moment China got wind of such a deal was in the making, Taiwan would be invaded. China simply wouldnt let such a deal happen and would take action before it could.

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And the most pathetic (and, if it wasn't so serious, it would the most humorous) part would be the U(tter) N(onsense) trying to broker a deal.

-R


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1300 times:

Presumingly a War broke out between the US & China.China def has the Numbers to tilt things.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
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