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Why Is This Headline So Biased?  
User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1662 times:

This is an actual AP headline

U.S., Iraqi troops clash in Baghdad

Think about what it implies.

Then read the article:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070124/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21730 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1654 times:

I don't know if I'd call it biased - it's just plain bad.

-Mir



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User currently offlineDL787932ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1654 times:

The media, by and large, are idiots. Or, to be kinder, they care much more about getting ratings and stirring up support for their positions than making an effort to calmly report facts in an accurate, unbiased, and thorough manner. For those here who are presumably knowledgeable about aviation, you can reference almost any aviation-related article in the mainstream media to reinforce this point.


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User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2528 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1649 times:

I don't see any other point of this post other than flamebait

User currently offlineT773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1641 times:

Do you even need to ask, we are dealing with the AP, that's all that needs to be said.


"Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man."
User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1636 times:

Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 3):
I don't see any other point of this post other than flamebait

Why flamebait?

Is the headline not implying something that did not occur?


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9428 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1622 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Thread starter):
This is an actual AP headline

U.S., Iraqi troops clash in Baghdad

Think about what it implies.

Associated Press articles/newsbit are topical. The topicals are in the first paragraph or the second.

Then the following is related action pertaining to the story.

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 2):
The media, by and large, are idiots.

Yeah. We're all idiots. That's real brilliant. I notice you certainly don't list your occupation.

Quoting T773ER (Reply 4):
Do you even need to ask, we are dealing with the AP, that's all that needs to be said.

If it weren't for the Associated Press, we'd all be without 99% of our total news content.



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User currently offlineT773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1612 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 6):
If it weren't for the Associated Press, we'd all be without 99% of our total news content.

I get my news from America's real Anchor man, that way I don't become a libtard by reading AP.



"Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man."
User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1609 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 6):
Associated Press articles/newsbit are topical. The topicals are in the first paragraph or the second.

Then the following is related action pertaining to the story.

Still could have been written better.

Quoting STLGph (Reply 6):
We're all idiots.

Not all, just some...

 duck 


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9428 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1609 times:

Quoting T773ER (Reply 7):
I get my news from America's real Anchor man, that way I don't become a libtard by reading AP.

i see and who is America's *REAL* anchor man?



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9428 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1602 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 8):
Still could have been written better.

..

one more time --

Associated Press articles/newsbit are topical. The topicals are in the first paragraph or the second.

Then the following is related action pertaining to the story.



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User currently offlineT773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1602 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 9):
i see and who is America's *REAL* anchor man?

The King of Talk Radio!



"Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man."
User currently offlineDL787932ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1602 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 6):
Yeah. We're all idiots. That's real brilliant.

Out of my 65-word post, you seem only to have read the first, second, sixth, and seventh words, and from them drawn a conclusion. Why is that okay?

More relevantly, the headline was:

U.S., Iraqi troops clash in Baghdad

What does that headline imply to you? Does that implication correctly match the content of the article? If not, what conclusions remain other than that the author either has a poor grasp of English grammar and syntax or that the author was intentionally trying to mislead, for whatever purpose?



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9428 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1595 times:

Quoting T773ER (Reply 11):
The King of Talk Radio!

Howard Stern?

yay.

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 12):
Out of my 65-word post, you seem only to have read the first, second, sixth, and seventh words, and from them drawn a conclusion. Why is that okay?

because you're obviously not worth giving a lot of attention to.

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 12):
U.S., Iraqi troops clash in Baghdad

mmhmmm...

and...

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 12):

What does that headline imply to you?

now let's read the article

one more time --

Associated Press articles/newsbit are topical. The topicals are in the first paragraph or the second.

Then the following is related action pertaining to the story.


let's read the article, shall we

BAGHDAD, Iraq - U.S. and Iraqi troops battled Sunni insurgents hiding in high-rise buildings on Haifa Street in the heart of Baghdad Wednesday, with snipers on roofs taking aim at gunmen in open windows as Apache attack helicopters hovered overhead.
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Iraq said 30 militants were killed and 27 captured.


let's see

Sunni's in Baghdad

Baghdad is in Iraq

Sunni's are Iraqi's


and again...

one more time --

Associated Press articles/newsbit are topical. The topicals are in the first paragraph or the second.



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User currently offlineT773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1590 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 13):
Howard Stern?

yay.



Quoting STLGph (Reply 13):
The King of Talk Radio!

Howard Stern?

yay.

You can only wish.



"Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man."
User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9428 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1585 times:

Quoting T773ER (Reply 14):
You can only wish.

well tell us then, oh wise one...



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User currently offlineT773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1575 times:

I didn't think I'd have to spell it out as much as I have, but he is none other than RUSH LIMBAUGH! The man who ties half his brain behind his back just to make it fair.

20 million listerners a week, that's truly amazing!



"Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man."
User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1575 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 13):
U.S., Iraqi troops clash in Baghdad

...
...
...

It wouldn't kill you to admit that the headline was not a good one, would it?


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9428 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1572 times:

Quoting T773ER (Reply 16):
I didn't think I'd have to spell it out as much as I have, but he is none other than RUSH LIMBAUGH! The man who ties half his brain behind his back just to make it fair.

20 million listerners a week, that's truly amazing!

Oh trust me ... most of us are listening for the entertainment value. And laugh we do!

And yes, Rush leads the Associated Press. When I pay a bit of attention I can identify quite nicely what stories in specific he has taken and skewed around off of the National Wires and from the NNS Scripts.



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User currently offlineT773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1568 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 18):
When I pay a bit of attention I can identify quite nicely what stories in specific he has taken and skewed around off of the National Wires and from the NNS Scripts.

So you new who America's Real Anchor Man was all along, I have to admitt you had me fooled.



"Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man."
User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1563 times:

Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 3):
I don't see any other point of this post other than flamebait

Why flamebait? The first thing I thought was when I saw the headline earlier today was, 'well so much for working together'. The headline, by its composition definitely leads one to think the clash was between the US & Iraq troops, NOT that the US & Iraqi troops were in a clash with insurgents, as the article very clearly states. Would I call that biased, not necessarily, but if nothing else, it certainly could have been reworded to be clearer.

But as STLGPh will be sure to point out, Associated Press articles/newsbit are topical. The topicals are in the first paragraph or the second . . . .  Wink



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9428 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1563 times:

Quoting T773ER (Reply 19):
So you new who America's Real Anchor Man was all along, I have to admitt you had me fooled.

It's my job to know as many people in the business as possible and what they're about.

All the way from good ole Blaire Martin (anchor at KULR in Billings) to Sandra Hughes (CBS Correspondent -- L.A.) and beyond.

i even know a good majority of the news people in Lincoln.



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User currently offlineT773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1555 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 21):
i even know a good majority of the news people in Lincoln.

So who in your opinion is the best, that way I'll know not to watch them  Smile

I personally like Rod Fowler, but that's just me.



"Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man."
User currently offlineDL787932ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1555 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 13):
because you're obviously not worth giving a lot of attention to.

Aww. Did I hurt your feelings?

Tough. It's an honorable goal to want to defend your profession, but part of that goal is not making excuses when one of your fellow journalists makes a mistake. Instead, you seem to want to ignore the issue and take your frustration out on other posters here. That reaction doesn't present you or other journalists in a better light.

Quoting STLGph (Reply 13):

now let's read the article

No, let's not. Let's pay attention to the point. The headline of the article is:

U.S., Iraqi troops clash in Baghdad

The clear implication, since no other forces are mentioned, is that only U.S. and Iraqi troops are clashing. Since you can't "clash" on the same side, the obvious conclusion is that U.S. troops are fighting against Iraqi troops.

However, the article, in its entirety, discusses U.S. and Iraqi troops fighting on the same side against insurgents. This article does not discuss the situation connoted by the headline. The article does not contradict itself; the headline contradicts the article.

Now, please try to focus and stay on topic. We are not discussing whether the first two paragraphs of the article conform to the remainder of the article. We are discussing whether the headline conforms to the article in its entirety. Does it, or does it not? If not, what is a reasonable explanation for the discongruity?



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9428 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1546 times:

Quoting T773ER (Reply 22):
I personally like Rod Fowler, but that's just me.

he works for my company ;p

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 23):
Aww. Did I hurt your feelings?

sorry -- the only person to ever hurt my feelings was Andrew Schillings

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 23):
Tough. It's an honorable goal to want to defend your profession, but part of that goal is not making excuses when one of your fellow journalists makes a mistake. Instead, you seem to want to ignore the issue and take your frustration out on other posters here. That reaction doesn't present you or other journalists in a better light.

zzzzzzzzzzz

i'm telling you how AP copy works.

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 23):
The clear implication, since no other forces are mentioned, is that only U.S. and Iraqi troops are clashing. Since you can't "clash" on the same side, the obvious conclusion is that U.S. troops are fighting against Iraqi troops.

how about a Geography lesson *again*

(oh, and see the thread about using your college degree and you'll see i have a background in this)

since Sunni's don't have their own country ... they are Iraqi's ... and they are Iraqi troops.

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 23):
Now, please try to focus and stay on topic. We are not discussing whether the first two paragraphs of the article conform to the remainder of the article. We are discussing whether the headline conforms to the article in its entirety. Does it, or does it not? If not, what is a reasonable explanation for the discongruity?

more zzzz's

i've spelled this out for you twice now. if you miss it any more, call Annie Sullivan.



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25 AndesSMF : This is the first sentence of the story: "U.S. and Iraqi troops battled Sunni insurgents..." You might twist the meaning a bit, but AP is not calling
26 STLGph : it's an every day thing. the headline is broad. the lead in becomes specific. this is part of a process called the Inverted Pyramid style of writing.
27 AndesSMF : I understand. But many years ago I realized that the headline of the story did not necessarily represent the essence of the story. Therefore, I alway
28 STLGph : Copying and pasting an AP article usually is a bad thing ... not for the AP ... but for the source ... this time being Yahoo news. It just goes to sh
29 AndesSMF : Maybe I have not understood the process where and how an AP report would get to Yahoo.
30 STLGph : it came through the wire service person selected text, hit copy and paste and plugged it right on the web page. AP articles are never written very we
31 Post contains images DL787932ER : Yes, repeatedly. You're also completely failing to realize that the problem isn't with the copy, it's with the headline. How can I possibly make that
32 STLGph : that's lovely you want to try to be some type of persistant in getting your point across ... i hope you are this way when getting the folks at Nordst
33 Aaron747 : Just goes to show copy editing isn't what it used to be. More evidence of the continued erosion of the English language. It's a terrible headline by a
34 DL787932ER : Since your irrelevant and poorly written responses to my questions added nothing whatsoever to the conversation, I conclude that further "discussion"
35 AndesSMF : STL, you are the only one right now defending this journalistic headline writing. If you can't defend it, ignore it. But regardless of anything you s
36 Post contains images Mir : Many of whom would probably spell "listeners" the way you did. I'm not sure that's something to be proud of. -Mir
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