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Article Posits Sen. Obama "Secrets" In Background  
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2348 times:

What Sen. Barack Obama has said about himself may not be entirely true, according to one news report. This allegation came as a surprise to me when I read the following from a prestigious source:

(Excerpt)

Quote:
The Chicago Sun-Times columnist Lynn Sweet was the first to spot in 2004, when Obama burst on the national stage at the Democratic party convention, that his memoir, Dreams from My Father, contained “composite” characters and changed names.

“Except for public figures and his family, it is impossible to know who is real and who is not,” she pointed out.

Obama admitted as much in his introduction, saying he had altered characters “for the sake of their privacy”. As with the revelation that he took cocaine in his youth, he appears to have been candid about potential areas of controversy.

These "potential areas of controversy" are further described in the article from which the above is taken.

Much of the Senator's background, however, apparently remains unknown. As informed citizens, we must know what it is as truth, rather than as autobiographical gloss.

I find Sen. Obama's appeal interesting in that it seems to indicate that, among a large segment of Americans, multiculturalism and multiracialism have taken strong root. Nevertheless, until, or perhaps even as, Sen. Obama's so-called "secrets" are revealed to the general public, I question whether any Presidential ambitions on his part will be deemed realistic, at least in the near term.

Please see:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2569704_2,00.html

70 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineMham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3695 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2338 times:

He's also going to have to answer belonging to a racist church.

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21801 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days ago) and read 2335 times:



It's going to be a long two years if we have to hear this every week.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days ago) and read 2333 times:

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 1):
He's also going to have to answer belonging to a racist church.

This is certainly news to me! I would surmise that this is a black church, then? Is it one that excludes whites, or blames whites for various problems, I wonder?


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2308 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 3):
Quoting Mham001 (Reply 1):
He's also going to have to answer belonging to a racist church.

This is certainly news to me! I would surmise that this is a black church, then? Is it one that excludes whites, or blames whites for various problems, I wonder?

Probably one that just has a black population, like thousands of churches across this nation. Just as there are many churches that have an all-white population.

And what the hell is the purpose of THIS thread, Oh Zealot One?


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 4):
And what the hell is the purpose of THIS thread, Oh Zealot One?

Same puspose as all of Arftie Flufkins . . . .

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
Article Posits Sen. Obama "Secrets" In Background

Every politician has secrets in their background. So what. No one will look at that crap anyway. The voters will see the here and now, not the back then and there.

This won't go anywhere, unless of course someone proves him to be a serial killer or some such.

Dead issue already.


User currently offlineFrequentflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 736 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2299 times:

What a load of horsedung AFan really.


Take off and live
User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2291 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):

THIS IS HUGE! What ARE you SAYING Aerospacefan!? Barak Obama can't be president. I find your whole thread racist. Obama is black and a Senator from Illinois, that's ALL we need to know. I find any delving into his background completely racist.



At least this is what I learned from the other Obama thread.

[Edited 2007-01-29 14:46:59]

User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2284 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
Dead issue already.

Was Whitewater a dead issue?

Were Sen. Kerry's Vietnam protests?

Was Pres. Bush's military record?

All these things, no matter how long past, were the subject of intense scrutiny.

Why, then, would the need to be less than candid in one's own autobiography -- to say nothing of other things mentioned in the article -- be deemed a "dead issue" in a Presidential campaign?

Are we to turn away from investigating a Presidential candidate's background merely because to do so may cause us discomfort?


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2280 times:

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 7):
I find your whole thread racist.

Please point out to me where ASF said he was better than Obama because ASF is white and Obama is black. Until then stuff your racism rant away for the real thing. ASF might be a serial thread starter but I see nothing in his starting post that is even remotely racist.

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 7):
Obama is black and a Senator from Illinois, that's ALL we need to know. I find any delving into his background completely racist.

I think we need to know a little bit more than those two items. I personally find him too inexperienced and perhaps just the flavor of the week who will fall by the wayside once he starts to show that inexperience or he is eaten alive by the Clinton machine.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 8):
Are we to turn away from investigating a Presidential candidate's background merely because to do so may cause us discomfort?

Yes. He is the media's darling and we are not allowed to question anything he says. Didn't you get that memo?  Wink



"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2272 times:

We get to think we're important in Iowa once every four years but there's been an early start here.
Mrs. Clinton drew a very large crowd of interested people last week and the presidential aspirants running around loose are as thick as fleas on a dog.

I still do not know a lot about Obamalamadingdong except that for a constitutional law professor he hasn't published any scholarly works which I find more than a little odd...haven't looked into Mrs. Clinton's publication history although both she and Bill Clinton were profs at the U of Arkansas-Fayetteville a few years before I got there.

What irks me is that the Democrats have a class of excellent potential candidates this time around, not the least of whom are Bill Richardson and our own governor Tom Vilsack and all of them are basically finished before they start. Does this amount to primary by media acclaim?

What about the track record of the candidates, for heaven's sake?


User currently offlineRedwarf From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2272 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 8):
Are we to turn away from investigating a Presidential candidate's background merely because to do so may cause us discomfort?

Wow, our candidates have secrets! Let's play detectives now, no matter how shoddy our evidence is!

It's practically a given that background checks on candidates will continue since office monkeys doing 9-5 jobs want "sizzling" distractions from the ho-hum lifestyles they wallow in.



Son of Gojira
User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

Quoting Redwarf (Reply 11):
Wow, our candidates have secrets! Let's play detectives now, no matter how shoddy our evidence is!

It's practically a given that background checks on candidates will continue since office monkeys doing 9-5 jobs want "sizzling" distractions from the ho-hum lifestyles they wallow in.

I know a guy who was an operative for a guy who ran for state senate here. They did a lot of digging on his opponent. I mean, a LOT. They're of course looking for the silver bullet (which is what they call it) that'll stop somebody in their tracks. Like that DUI conviction you forgot to mention or the college degree you say you have. They did find that the lady opponent had given $5 to PETA one time....that's how in depth it went.

As a student at Long Beach City College one of our tasks in a class was to go to the Election Commission and get campaign contribution records on a candidate for office....I drew Walter Tucker III, the congressman from Compton, California who is a very interesting person. That was before he went to prison.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_R._Tucker_III


User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2258 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 9):
ASF might be a serial thread starter but I see nothing in his starting post that is even remotely racist.

Please, go look at the other Obama thread, with the Fox news clip.

Once you read through that thread you will see, as I'm sure Aerospacefan saw, that my post was actually dripping with sarcasm.


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2251 times:

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 13):
Once you read through that thread you will see, as I'm sure Aerospacefan saw, that my post was actually dripping with sarcasm.

Then reference that thread. Otherwise your sarcasm comes across as an uninformed use of the race card which is something this world surely doesn't need more of. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton do enough of that for all of us combined.



"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2235 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 14):
Then reference that thread.



Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 7):
At least this is what I learned from the other Obama thread.

I did.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 14):
Otherwise your sarcasm comes across as an uninformed use of the race card which is something this world surely doesn't need more of.

But that's perfect. That's exactly what I want to come across as, because that's exactly what it is. It's the same argument that was used by Obama defenders in the other thread. Why would I want to say HEY LOOK I"M KIDDING, when I just showed how ridiculous that line of thought is. I just did the work of Airliners.net Libs for them. They were, and are, going to do that anyway.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20789 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2232 times:

Your guys' bickering is getting in the way of a juicy gossip thread.


International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2227 times:

...well well see this tread has gone down the toilet fast.


So Obama left trivial details out of his memoir. Sounds like he will fit the current political landscape great (because GWB has run the most secretaive administration we know).


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2218 times:

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 15):
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 14):
Then reference that thread.



Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 7):
At least this is what I learned from the other Obama thread.

I did.

Editing your response to explain that after I posted doesn't help.  Wink

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 15):
But that's perfect. That's exactly what I want to come across as, because that's exactly what it is. It's the same argument that was used by Obama defenders in the other thread.

Ok, now I get it after understanding how the previous thread fits in.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 16):
Your guys' bickering is getting in the way of a juicy gossip thread.

True. Let's get the gossip rolling. Perhaps by the end of the day we will have the smoking gun on him, cancer solved, and men back on the moon.  Wink



"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2216 times:

Hillary Clinton is behind all of those attacks on Obama

HAHAHAHA


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20789 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2215 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 18):

Editing your response to explain that after I posted doesn't help.

Bullshit, he edited his post within the first 41 seconds. You posted over 22 minutes later.



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 8):
Was Whitewater a dead issue?

]

Yes.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 8):
Were Sen. Kerry's Vietnam protests?

Yes.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 8):
Was Pres. Bush's military record?

Yes.

Next set of questions.


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2202 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 20):
Bullshit, he edited his post within the first 41 seconds. You posted over 22 minutes later.

Ever hear of someone starting a reply and then walking away to take care of a crying baby? Probably not.

So it seems he edited his original post after I started reading but before I hit the Post Message button. We are both wrong in this case. Drop the "bullshit" outrage and get back to the gossip.  Wink

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 17):
So Obama left trivial details out of his memoir.

Is it a memoir or does it cross the line to semi-fiction? "Composite characters" sounds an awful lot like fiction to me. Again, I think he is too inexperienced to hold the Presidency at this time and could give two shits about him being black, white, green, or purple, but making up characters in what is supposed to be non-fiction might lead to questions about his overall veracity.



"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20789 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 22):

Ever hear of someone starting a reply and then walking away to take care of a crying baby? Probably not.

Yes I have. And if you wait over 20 minutes to finish a reply, you owe it to your readers to refresh the screen before you post. Now stop bickering and let us get to the gossip, PLEASE.



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2196 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 23):
Yes I have. And if you wait over 20 minutes to finish a reply, you owe it to your readers to refresh the screen before you post.

Point taken, lesson learned. Will do my best to refresh from here on out.



"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
25 UALPHLCS : Was Bush's "alcohol/drug" use an issue? Was Bush's National Guard service and issue? Was Bush's grades in college an issue? Some how these issues are
26 FlyingTexan : Good idea, I've got burnt on that before.
27 Cba : Now if those had actually had some factual base behind them, then maybe. That photo of him with Jane Fonda was actually found to have been Photoshopp
28 DeltaGator : The funny thing with that one was how Kerry's campaign (perhaps not Sen. Lurch himself) tried to portray Dubya as the village idiot (yeah yeah, save
29 Post contains images Searpqx : Holy Christ! Obama has a very unique and complicated background, and GASP - he acknowledges it! Oh no - honesty! Heaven forbid! Where in that article
30 Post contains images Keesje : How was the sister of his brother in law behaving 13 yrs ago? Photo's?
31 UALPHLCS : That's not the point. I have no desire to smear him at all. In fact I'd like to see him as the Democrat candidate, simply because his inexperience wi
32 AerospaceFan : The truth is what is hidden, as it always is when facts such as names are changed to "protect" others. I question why anyone in the public eye purpor
33 Jaysit : Obama is really an alien escaping from the planet Aerospacefan. He has come down to Earth on an Aerospacefan spaceship where he is filling the minds o
34 AerospaceFan : Perhaps you can add The Sunday Times to the list of alien overlords, since it is that newspaper that published the article from which the quote is ta
35 Searpqx : The only ones 'carrying over' anything are you and AF. Honest question, do we know for sure that his came from Clinton? I have seen nothing other tha
36 AerospaceFan : If he desires privacy, he is in the wrong line of work. Except in the most limited of senses, there is essentially no such thing as privacy for indiv
37 UALPHLCS : The guy has been treated like a rock star for months before he made any announcements. In fact he's not even an official candidate yet is he? He only
38 Searpqx : And I'm still trying to figure out how he's hiding anything, or how/if the public is being denied access to information. When he wrote his autobiogra
39 Jaysit : Yeah, because who his father boinked as part of his Kenyan rural customs is of the same importance as Watergate. You take a London Times article and
40 Falcon84 : Sounds like Governor Bush back in 1998, doesn't it?
41 Post contains links AerospaceFan : Former Defense Secretary Rumsfeld's association with the phrase notwithstanding, there are several kinds of issues with regard to what we know: There
42 Post contains images Falcon84 : You're joking, right? What kind of investigation? Congressional? Hell, we couldn't even get decent congressional investigations into 9/11 from Congre
43 AerospaceFan : Vigorous media investigation, to start with. Sen. Obama should also come clean as to which individuals in the book are actually real, which are compo
44 Post contains images Falcon84 : =AerospaceFan,reply=43]Vigorous media investigation, to start with.[/quote] You are increible. If someone on this forum had asked for "vigerous media
45 AerospaceFan : If a cognizable claim may be made that revealing the identities of individuals important in Sen. Obama's life implicates issues of national security,
46 Falcon84 : You're reaching for straw, my friend. This is a non-story. Are you that scared of the Democrats, that you're already reacing for crap, AF? Because th
47 AerospaceFan : How would you have reacted to allegations that President Bush's grades at Yale were actually "composite" of possible grades? Suppose that the Preside
48 Falcon84 : I wouldn't care-it happened 30 freaking years ago. It means nothing now.
49 Dougloid : Let me first say that this is coming from a yellow dog Harry Truman Democrat-definitely Old School. There's a lot we do not end up knowing about the
50 DavestanKSAN : Yeah I'll bet Sen. Obama hung out with Osama on the South Side of Chicago. Oh noes, their name is soooo alike. And his middle name is HUSSEIN. This is
51 FlyingTexan : Still kind of bitter over the Clinton thing, eh? So using the wisdom "Character means you don't lie" ... I can only imagine how much utter hate and a
52 UALPHLCS : What has Obama in his two years as a Senator done for this country? So far all I've seen him do is make speeches and raise campaign money. Quite a li
53 Dougloid : Not really. Bill Clinton's old hat. But the entire affair of his conduct raises the question with respect to the Missus, "What did she know, and when
54 Post contains images Frequentflyer : Another Ferlinghetti's dog approach to Bush/Cheney here. lol Back to the subject: Fox amplified wrongful information. CNN investigated. Fox was wrong.
55 Post contains links AeroWesty : Which was proven right here, NOT: Clinton War Policy (by UALPHLCS Jan 29 2007 in Non Aviation) Why? Unless you think she was having sex with an inter
56 Dougloid : Why? Because I'd like to know what she knew about what Bill was up to, and when she knew it. That would shed some light on what her particular standa
57 UALPHLCS : Excellent rebuttal. Wow! I'm blown away by your logic.
58 PanAmOldDC8 : People politicians on both sides of the aisles have secrets. So I don't know what you are fighting about. The electorate will decide whether they want
59 Post contains images Searpqx : And Republicans don't govern, they simply steal. . . Do you ever get tired of throwing wild generalities around? Neither party, nor the White House,
60 AeroWesty : I'll make ya a deal. I know people who know Hillary. You come clean with a full disclosure on Pres. Bush's military record, including the influence-p
61 UALPHLCS : Considering the orgasmic response Democrats are having to the mere possibility of a completely unqualified albeit charismatic, good-looking, well-spo
62 Searpqx : Doesn't offend me in the least, rather I find it amazing/amusing that someone who otherwise appears fairly intelligent, lets his blind hatred of all
63 Dougloid : I don't think you're in a position to make that sort of a deal. Even if I did have a pipeline into Stalag Bush which I do not, your "question" doesn'
64 PanAmOldDC8 : I have a print that was signed by Bill and Hilliary Clinton when they visted Barbados in May 1997, I met them at a function that was held by the Gove
65 AeroWesty : You were looking for serious answers, now you want sarcasm? Jeepers, make up your damned mind. You're thinkin' wrong, dude, if you don't think I can'
66 UALPHLCS : Who are you referring to? I haven't cared a whit about Obama's past. It's a non-issue to me. I do care about ridiculous posters calling a Fox news re
67 Post contains images Searpqx : I'm referring to you, and your accusation of my 'blind defense'. Nope, not at all, and maybe one of these I'll see it displayed in one of your thread
68 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : Gee so you sure are quick to find fault in Sen. Obama but you can't do a simple Google search to see what he's done? Are you serious? So I guess you
69 UALPHLCS : I honestly haven't formed an opinion on that yet. If someone where to pin me down to who I like right now it would be Rudy. (Gasp! Surprise, surprise
70 Dougloid : Dude, did you get shorted on your lithium today?
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