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How Has Your Hometown Changed Since Childhood?  
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6425 times:

There's a saying: You can't go home again.

Well, it's not literally true. You could certainly hop a plane and go there.  Big grin But what it really means is that both you and the town you grew up in, or your literal familial home, have changed.

How many of you have gone back home only to realize that it's changed a lot? If so, how has it changed, and do you welcome it?

Just wonderin'.  Smile

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User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2405 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6418 times:

Well times have changed sense I was born and even coming back home from college.

1986: Population - 40,000 people in the city limits and 70,000 including the county. Major stores: Wal-Mart, JC Pennys, K-Mart...Major Resturants: McDonalds, Taco Bell, Vinyard

2004: Population - 48,000 people in the city limits and 100,000 including the county. Major stores: Wal-Mart...Major Resturants/Places to be: IHOP, Vinyard

2007: Population - 55,000 people in the city limits and 160,000 including this county. Major stores: Wal-Mart, Home Depot, Office Depot, (Under construction: Lowes, Boarders, Khols)...Major Resturants/Places to be: IHOP, Vinyard, Sonic, Quiznos, (Under construction: Applebees, Panda Express, Outback Steak House, In-N-Out)

Madera County is booming right now! It is crazy how much is going in. We have another 3 million square acres I believe being developed with another 2 million proposed at this point. Housing is going up like crazy. Just a idea of my house in price...1986 bought for 86,000 now valued at 550,000. That is how much Madera is growing and costs going up. Joe Montana is in talks of opening up a shopping center on HWY 99. Casino is prepaired to come in (Hope to God it doesnt) as well as 3 new high end hotel chains. Much more planned for the Madera area.



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User currently offlineTransWorldSTL From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 568 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6418 times:

Well, in my short span on this Earth, I've witnessed St. Louis fall apart year after year. Thanks in large part (recently) to the decision to build a $500,000,000USD baseball stadium, instead of maybe trying to clean up the city a little better, or maybe the airport.

My actual hometown is kinda down in the dumps right now too. But thats exactly what these steel-town crap-hoosiers deserve though, so it's okay.  Smile

Josh


User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2692 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6405 times:

Mine hasn't changed at all.....all of the available land was developed years ago, so there isn't really much that could change at this point. However, it's not one of these suburbs where everything has been plowed clean and houses built with fake landscaping; all of the houses have been there for so long that it is heavily wooded, with the majority of the trees 50+ years old. You can't really even see the houses from an overhead view (thanks, Google Earth!).

User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6404 times:

Whenever I go back to the places I grew up, I always notice that they look so much older. (It's a really stupid observation on my part to say this, since what would one expect? That they should grow younger as time goes on?  sarcastic  But it's the effect on me that counts.)

Anyway, there's a picture-memory of various places that you have in your mind and when you compare the reality of those places to the images you have of them from way back, the differences can be striking. Somehow, you never really think that things can grow so much older so quickly; or maybe, you never really want to believe that you yourself must have grown so much older so fast, as well.

It's a bit depressing sometimes, actually.

(Sigh.)


User currently offlineTZ757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2877 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6399 times:

Its quite amazing, from 1990 to 2006, my state has grown from 660,000 residents to 783,000 people and projected to be 1,000,000 in 30 yrs. There is nothing recognizable of my hometown except the historic area. Everything has been overdeveloped, roadways are consistently jammed with cars, and during the tourist season during the summer, its almost unbearable with the 40,000 people that flock the the area each week.

My hometown no longer exists as how I remember it.



LETS GO MOUNTAINEERS!
User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6376 times:

Collierville, TN: 1985-2002
1985
Population: around 10,000

2000:
Population: 31,872.
Population change, 1990 to 2000: 115.6%
Persons under 18 years old: 33.4%
Median household income: $80,575
Median house value: $190,400
Housing units:10,770


Estimated population in July 2005: 37,564 (+17.9% change)
Now: Probably between 40-45,000 people and retaining many of the characteristics as above

1985-2000 Changes in a Nutshell: Small town to Large Suburb
Explosion of families and housing
Commuter Community
Development of many shopping centers (from a Wal-Mart & Kroger town to at least 5-6 major strip malls with various grocery stores and dept store anchors, not to mention an upscale mall)
Enhanced Infastructure (Improved Roads from massive influx of traffic, Freeway that will "soon" be part of I-69)
FedEx Technology HQ, Further Influx of Fedex Pilots (like my dad )
Hospital
More people college educated b/c of economic development
Service Sector on the rise
By the numbers


Moved to Highlands Ranch, CO in 2002. My new hometown didn't exist before 1980 and now has over 75,000. Interesting b/c it's not legally incorperated, IIRC.

[Edited 2007-01-31 16:56:27]

User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10338 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6366 times:

Honestly, Bedford, MA has not really changed much in my 25 years. Still a small suburb of Boston. Population has probably gone up maybe 1,000 or so, from between 11K and 12K to between 12K and 13K.

There have been a bunch of new housing developments, some of which have seen some protest (mostly due to trees being knocked down), but the town has really preserved it's character pretty well.

I still feel quite at home there when I'm back. Absolutely love the area.

~Vik



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40069 posts, RR: 74
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6366 times:

Gary, Indiana.
My earliest childhood memories was the tail end of Gary, Indiana's heyday.
The city has declined in a very bad way.
Up until the early 1980s, Gary had really good public schools, was safe and a great place to raise a family.
Unfortunately Gary didn't have a diverse economy. It was all dependant on steel and with a huge increase in foreign made steel really hurt the economy.

Gary was the murder capital of the US for 11 years straight, rivalling Washington D.C. which is 8 times the population of Gary. The only reason it no longer ranks is because the population has fell below 100,000 and is no longer considered a big city.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary,_Indiana

Other famous people from Gary;

Michael Jackson (singer)
Alex Karras (actor)
Karen McDougal (porn star)



http://david.rochberg.com/steel/legacy/gary/Inland-to-LTV.jpg



http://www.northwestindiana.com/images/chgosnset.jpg




The part I grew up (Miller Beach) is still pretty nice and many people want to succed from Gary as Merriville did in the early 1970s.
I go back almost every year.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6348 times:

Depends on what city I call 'home'.

I was born in Kingman, AZ, and the total population of the county was 7,736 in 1960 (I was born in '64). Today the metro area alone has a population of roughly 40,000 and is growing at approx 6% a year. A lot of this is the spillover from the Las Vegas building boom (about two hours north), as there isn't a whole lot of industry endemic to the Kingman area.

On the other hand, if you look at where I grew up, Juneau, its much less dramatic. Population was about 25,000 when we moved there in 1973. Today the area stands at roughly 31,000. In the ensuing 30 years, they've gained two Mc Donalds, a Fred Meyer and a Costco. The road still ends approx 40 miles north of town and 10 miles south. You can still only fly or ferry in, and there is still only 1 HS (though another is finally being built).



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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6330 times:

My hometown of Waterbury, Connecticut has changed dramatically in some ways over the past 35 or so years even though its population has been more or less static at just over 100K. Three enormous brass processing mills dominated the city both physically and economically in the early 1970's. They employed several thousand people, including the fathers of at least half of my schoolmates. All three mills shut down within just a couple years of one another in the mid-1970's, though one of them reopened under new ownership and sputtered along for a few more years before dying.

Waterbury still has a decent industrial base with mostly smaller firms, and far more retail (most notably a huge mall built on the site of one of the brass mills). Many of its residents drive to work in other cities, one advantage of being in a geographically small and prosperous state. On a worse note, however, the low-income share of the population has grown dramatically over the past few decades. What were respectable, working-class neighborhoods in the 1970's often are ghettos today.

I've lived for the past ten years in Medford, New York, and in that time the town's grown quite a bit, with new housing developments and a good deal of commercial and industrial development.



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User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6325 times:

Well....let's see:

Since 1984, we've gotten a second McDonalds, a second Taco Bell, we had three Burger King's...But the person that owned them all, shut down the one in the Fred Meyer shortly after he opened one closer to the mall.


Speaking of the mall, the Herritage Mall opened up in the early 90's I believe it was. That was big time news for us, since the closent thing we had to one was the Waverly Plaza, where my dad's optical was. He moved it to the mall shortly after it opened. Since the mall opened, we lost the JC Penny when the company down sized. We did, however, get an Old Navy just a few short years ago!  Smile

We also have three...yes, THREE Starbucks...  Yeah sure

We got a Jack In The Box in 2003 I believe it was. That was a big deal.

The biggest road project was when they totally re-did Highway 20/Highway 99 coming through town. It used to be a four lane road that ran straight down Pacific Blvd. They made it two one way streets, though in the late 90's. Three lanes in each direction, which has helped the flow of traffic a little. If they ever figured out how to fricken time the lights on the cutlet, we'd be ok. But they're timed pretty poorly right now.


And, the big construction project in the mid 90's was the Target Distribution Center near the community college. Now Lowe's is putting one in Lebanon, and Pepsi is building a bottling plant here in town.

The city, for some reason, blocked wi-fi from going in all over town. I don't get why. People mostly wanted it. But, it's too...Futuristic I guess for these people. We're a very old fashoned, red neck right wing nut job of a town. Kids still run around down tagging the houses of lesbian or gay coupples that live here.  banghead  Progression is a bad thing, I guess. People didn't want the Jack In The Box to go in. They want to keep us a small little community. But, what choice do people have? House prices in Corvallis are through the roof, and Albany is affordible.

Now there's talk of a 3rd high school to be built soon. A 4th middle school is being planned, and should break ground soon. It would be a combination elementry/middle school as it stands right now, to save costs and not build two schools. I'd imagine it'll be up and running by '09 or '10.


User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6323 times:

My hometown is the same except we're got more immigrants!


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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6321 times:

Just wondering why the thread starter didn't tell us about his hometown?  scratchchin 
My hometown, Half Moon Bay, CA located on the coastline 30 miles (and 30 years away south of San Francisco when I was growing up) was a fishing and farming community. Population core was immigrants from the Azores, and lower-middle class working folks. Now the community is home of world-known championship golf courses and very expensive homes. The working class is now high tech professionals. Still a nice place to visit.


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7811 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6319 times:

Even though I have been back to Phoenix a few times in recent years I have only driven by the old house once (my parents moved to a different part of town about 3 years ago). While much of the place is the same and seems familiar, it does not feel like home. I can drive right by the house that I lived in through Jr High, High School, a few summers during college and feel completely disconnected from the place. It isn't home anymore.... a rather bittersweet feeling if you ask me.


Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6317 times:

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 14):
Even though I have been back to Phoenix a few times in recent years

I lived in the valley now for 12 years, and quite frankly it still doesn't feel like home for me. Maybe its the big disconnect with the population that comes and goes from all over the country. For example if you go to a Coyotes ice hockey game and the Red Wings are in town, for people will be rooting for the Red Wings, same with the Cubs, St Louis Cardinals, and any team that is playing the local NFL? team.


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 6305 times:

Small town on the northern California coast:

1928 (before I was born)

• Population about 1200
• Grammar School, Junior High, High School all in one big building.
• Payroll about 500, mostly lumber industry but the usual service businesses.
• Houses were wood-frame, un-insulated or insulated with newspaper, heated by fireplace.
• Electricity provided by a steam dynamo at the sawmill and shut off at ten PM.
• Telephone and telegraph to the outside world.
• Water came to town by gravity in wooden and iron pipes. Sewage went into wooden pipes and into the gulches or into the ocean. No charge for either service.


1948 (Dim early childhood memories.)

• Population about 100
• Payroll exactly 2, (school teacher & post mistress) one bar, one store, one gas station one "tourist court" all owner operated.
• Grammar School, grades 1-6 in one room of that one big building.
• Houses were wood-frame, un-insulated or insulated with newspaper, heated by fireplace but most were abandoned and many had been used as firewood.
• Commercial electricity brought to town by PG&E after 18 years without.
• Crank telephone to get "long distance" operator in a nearby town.
• Water came to town by gravity in wooden and iron pipes. Sewage went into wooden pipes and into the gulches or into the ocean but a few people had put in septic tanks. No charge for either service.


1968 (I was in Vietnam but came back on leave.)

• Population about 300 including some hippies living in stumps up on the hill.
• Payroll about 200; one bar, one store, one gas station a cafe and a couple of B&Bs. The big employers were two sawmills and other logging operations.
• Grammar School, grades 1-6 in two small buildings.
• Houses were wood-frame but most had been insulated and fireblocked, heated by fireplace or butane.
• Electricity being "undergrounded."
• Dial telephones came to town seven years ago.
• Water came to town by gravity in wooden and iron pipes. Sewage went into wooden pipes and into the gulches or into the ocean. Small monthly charge for water.


1988 (I was living in Nevada but still have friends & relatives there.)

• Population about 90 not counting the ex-hippies living in stumps up on the hill.
• Payroll about 20, mostly in housekeeping. One store, one gas station a cafe and a several B&Bs. The big employers - the two sawmills and other logging operations were all shut down and dismantled.
• Grammar School, grades 1-6 in two small buildings.
• Houses were wood-frame but most had been insulated and fireblocked, heated by fireplace or butane.
• Satellite dishes were everywhere.
• Touchtown telephones came to town several years ago.
• Water was sucked out of the ground at the lowest point in the system and brought to town in iron pipes. Sewage still goes into wooden pipes and secretly into the gulches or into the ocean. Water was very expensive and new owners had to put in septic tanks.


2008 (If it doesn't slide off into the ocean. I'm still living in Nevada but still have friends & relatives there.)

• Population about 120 and the ex-hippies moved out of the stumps up on the hill and connived for the taxpayers of California to buy land for them to live on.
• Payroll about 20, mostly in housekeeping. One store, the gas station no longer sells gas due to California's environmental regulations, two cafes where you can get a $40 breakfast with nasturtiums on the plate and every old craftsman-style house in town is now a B&B. Some people commute to the Bay Area to work in their 40 MPG hybrid cars and despise the SUVs they meet down there that get 26 MPG but only commute ten miles.
• "Elementary" School, grades 1-6 in two small buildings.
• Newer houses, still wood-frame but with modern insulation and mechanicals. No one can put in a fireplace anymore but some are grandfathered.
• Satellite dishes are disappearing in favor of cable but internet is still dial-up.
• Telephones are still noisy and not quite digital. Cell phone coverage almost nil.
• Water is still sucked out of the ground at the lowest point in the system and brought to town in iron pipes. Sewage - don't ask! Water is still very expensive and new owners have to get custom-engineered septic systems.

The current population, all but about ten of them DESPISE the murderers-of-redwoods who built the town. A tiny (700 sq. ft) one bedroom house on a suburban size lot, on untreated wood foundations with a septic system that will have to be replaced, and no room to expand due to the slope and being in the "visual corridor" just sold for half a million dollars. My bedroom is bigger and that place sold for half a mil.

IF you can buy vacant land you have to put up "story poles" for two years before you can build a house. These are poles at the proposed corners of the house, as many stories high as that part of the house - and the whole thing will be wrapped with orange fabric for two years giving all those who already "got their" house get to pass judgement on whether or not you should be permitted to build on the land where you are permitted to pay property tax.



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User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6283 times:

Monterey Park,Ca was my primary hometown while Jocotepec,
Mex, was mostly a summer home when I would go live with my grandparents.

Monterey Park is a nice middle class neighborhood that is about
25 miles east from LA.I have a lot of fond memories with Barnes Park
the primary hang out place when I was kid.Because the park was on a hill,my friends and I would skateboard there often.

In the eighties, with the influx of Asians, real estate soared and things
got changed forever and I moved out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monterey_Park,_California



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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6273 times:

Excellent responses, everyone!  Smile

I'll be away from the computer for a little while -- a week or two -- but I can't wait to check this thread again soon. Great insights and views and neat pictures, too.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40069 posts, RR: 74
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6264 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 18):
I'll be away from the computer for a little while -- a week or two --

 praise 

What will you do to keep yourself occupied?



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6259 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
What will you do to keep yourself occupied?

Thinking up more topics for threads.  Smile

 Big grin


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40069 posts, RR: 74
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6257 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 20):
Thinking up more topics for threads.

So I guess we should anticipate an onslaught of more AerospaceFan threads.  boggled 



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6247 times:

I know this is nothing compared to the rest of the world, but I remember when growing up in AKL (about 10 years ago) there was probably a murder was a big thing and was all over the news. Now it pretty much happens everyday or close to it.

Apart from that, the population has grown alot. There has been settlement from immigrants from many different places and the development of what was once farmland is rapid. One example is that I used to have cows and ducks behind the fence of my backyard, now the place is a very developed suburb for the middle class.

There are many other changes which do not spring to mind at this time.


User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3015 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6247 times:

Yes.... Moscow has changed in many, many ways. It could take a thesis paper to describe, lol.

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineDon81603 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 1185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6227 times:

My birth city no longer exists  Sad


Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
25 Graphic : You sure about that? The pinery is legally incorporated but you wouldn't know it. I thought HR was as well. Anyhoo, Parker CO when I moved in in 1989
26 Post contains links Nosedive : Yup. FAQ Page Gov't Outsourcing = The Ranch
27 Post contains images NorthStarDC4M : Town i grew up in, Smooth Rock Falls, Ontario, location just do you can picture it: 1980 (born): Population ~2300, major industry: Wood Kraft and Lumb
28 SlamClick : That is pretty rare. My father and his older sister were born in the same bed, in the same room, in the same house, on the same piece of land in two
29 Jafa39 : The town (village) where i ws born has hardly changed at all, just a small housing estate, about 15 houses on the plot where the house used to be and
30 Post contains links Don81603 : Quoting SlamClick (Reply 28): and is about to be absorbed by a third town. That's what happened to my home town. It was amalgamated with 3 other munic
31 Bill142 : It's gotten bigger, however the government refuses to spend on the infrastructure to cope with the larger population. Things have gotten better, thing
32 AerospaceFan : I think that, as Heraclitus would agree, the ebb and flow of history changes everything, sometimes beyond recognition. The important thing in life is
33 TransIsland : When I was a kid, nobody in Nassau locked their houses, and when you parked your car, you left the key in the ignition. Burglar bars, what are burglar
34 YOWza : I have many home towns. I'll talk about just one of them. KTM. In the 70s it was a major marijuana toruism destination. It was in that period very pop
35 Post contains images Falcon84 : Is this a trick question, AF? Are you going to somehow blame the Democrats if the old hometown changed for the worse? Just curious.
36 Post contains images AerospaceFan : Curses! Foiled again! Seriously, though -- Democrats or Republicans, none of us can go home again. For the Democrats, it's because the Republicans ha
37 Post contains links and images Kieron747 : Bill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 4808 posts, RR: 8 Reply 31, posted Thu Feb 1 2007 08:00:35 your local time (1 week 4 days 7 hours 35 minutes
38 Post contains images AerospaceFan : Wow, and to think that I was just interested in responding to a poster's message, after being away from Airliners.net for more than a week! Who woulda
39 Post contains images Kieron747 : LOL! My fault for not looking at the picture closely enough! I don't know what a bump penis is. Kieron747
40 Texan : Dallas, TX 1980 City Population: 904,078 2005 City Population: 1,213,825 2005 Metro Area estimate: 6,000,000 The population has spread like wildfire a
41 Ronglimeng : I left my hometown (Parry Sound, Ontario) in 1967. I still go back about 8 times a year to visit my parents. My mother's family has lived on the stree
42 AerospaceFan : My goodness. Growing up and moving away is something of a trend in Parry Sound for sure, Ronglimeng, from what you've said. Interestingly, I read a wh
43 Post contains links and images FlyMIA : I am only 17 years old but Miami has changed ALOT since I was around 5-6 years old. Miami Beach became a hot spot again with areas like Lincoln road b
44 MKEdude : I was born in Atlanta, and I haven't been back in 7 years now. Something tells me if I returned I wont be able to find anything. It means run, don't w
45 767Lover : That's true for me, but not really by design. When I bought my house, I was actually looking in a neighborhood about 12 miles away from where I am no
46 FlyMIA : I go to Nassau often and I have also seen the change of this city. I remember when there was one bridge to Paradise Island, or what about Paradise Is
47 Post contains images SW733 : Well, for one, Windhoek isn't in South Africa anymore! But seriously, it's more prosperous. When I was a kid in the early 90's, just after independenc
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