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N.Y. Considers Banning Ultrathin Fashion Models  
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16942 posts, RR: 48
Posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1362 times:

In addition to no smoking and no eating transfats, NY may now ban skinny models.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/01/skinny.models/index.html


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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12040 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1360 times:
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Given all the shit going on in the World right now, this issue is obviously one at the forefront of all our minds. sarcastic 

Gail Brewer clearly has way too much time on her hands. banghead 



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User currently offlineDernierVirage From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2006, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1351 times:

I know that there are problems with teenage girls who consider that ultra thin models are "role models", and that there are cases of this either contributing to, or even starting, eating problems that can lead to anorexia.

I have a member of my immediate family (16 years old, weight 35 kg) who was hospitalised this week for anorexia, and "peer pressure" to be ultra thin was one (maybe not the only) factor. There seems to be a huge culture for thinness with adolescents, and anything that can reduce the anorexia problem (such as the measures proposed in NY) must be a good thing.

I was in the UK last week, and in fact there was a lot of comment in the newspapers I read, on exactly this subject.


User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1332 times:

Good... bring on some models with some curves... a huge segment of the population (myself included) finds ultra thin girls completely repulsive.

Western society needs to get over it's obsession with thin women... it's downright sickening what people will do to themselves to be thin and feel 'accepted'...



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User currently offlineTransWorldSTL From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 568 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1316 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 1):
Given all the shit going on in the World right now, this issue is obviously one at the forefront of all our minds. sarcastic

Well I'm sorry this doesn't interest you, but this story is EXTREMELY important to people who's entire careers are in the fashion industry.

"New York City Council member proposes 18.5 BMI floor for models"
So, I would barely make the cutoff, and I'm not that skinny? I'm 5'9", 133lb, BMI of 19.2

I have a feeling, if this passes, it would mean an even further decline to the dwindling fashion presence in NYC.


User currently offlineSpeedbird747BA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1314 times:

Quoting TransWorldSTL (Reply 4):
I have a feeling, if this passes, it would mean an even further decline to the dwindling fashion presence in NYC.

 checkmark  Its these models choices to pursue their careers, and the government shouldnt be interfering. If you dont like, in fact anyone that doesnt like it, doesnt have to go to the shows. Or even pay attention for that matter.

Toodles Comrades,
Kyle


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1306 times:

Quoting TransWorldSTL (Reply 4):
I have a feeling, if this passes, it would mean an even further decline to the dwindling fashion presence in NYC.

What makes you think that NYC's importance in the fashion world is in decline?

New York and Paris are still THE most important fashion centers in the world. Milan is a distant third.

That having been said, if skeletons are what the fashion industry thinks is the ideal form for displaying clothes, so be it. The Gabbamint should just get out of it.

Besides, teenage girls don't watch these nameless models. They watch bimbo starlets. Maybe New York City should just force feed the Olsen twins and fatten them up.


User currently offlineTransWorldSTL From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 568 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1297 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 6):
New York and Paris are still THE most important fashion centers in the world. Milan is a distant third

Wrong. Paris, yes. New York, no. How many American Designers are there? I mean WELL KNOWN high end designers? Not many. They're all from Europe. New York isn't a fashion center. It's just an outlet where some designers sometimes show off their collections.


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1279 times:

No Talking

No Smoking

No Littering

No Red Meat

No Freedom of Religion

All Marriages Must Be Approved By The Department of Health

Failure to obey these rules will result in immediate loss of citizenship and deportation to the island of...

Wait, what?


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1272 times:

Quoting TransWorldSTL (Reply 7):
Wrong. Paris, yes. New York, no. How many American Designers are there? I mean WELL KNOWN high end designers? Not many. They're all from Europe. New York isn't a fashion center. It's just an outlet where some designers sometimes show off their collections.

You've clearly never heard of Fashion week in NYC, probably more important than all the fashion shows in Paris and Milan put together.

Its the New York buyers and oracles and decision makers who decide what will make it and what will not. If a designer ignores New York, he/she does so at his/her peril. Anna Wintour and André Leon Talley don't tolerate any BS from European fashion designers.

Hon, you really need to brush up on your what's what and who's who in fashion.

As for high end fashion designers, we have Donna Karan, Norma Kamali,


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12040 posts, RR: 47
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1245 times:
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Quoting TransWorldSTL (Reply 4):
but this story is EXTREMELY important to people who's entire careers are in the fashion industry.

I'm sure the starving and homeless millions in the World think it's EXTREMELY important.

Fashion? Get a grip darling! Mwah, mwah! wave 



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User currently offlineMika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2841 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1238 times:

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 5):
Its these models choices to pursue their careers, and the government shouldnt be interfering. If you dont like, in fact anyone that doesnt like it, doesnt have to go to the shows. Or even pay attention for that matter.

To 'pursue' a career in a normal sense doesnt involve starving yourself to death in order to reach an ideal that doesnt exist.


It's nothing but right for any government to have their go with this industry. Have at it!


User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 4981 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1235 times:

Quoting TransWorldSTL (Reply 4):
I have a feeling, if this passes, it would mean an even further decline to the dwindling fashion presence in NYC.

I don't see why. They're not the first to propose this. For example, both Spain and Italy have implemented or are working on implementing similar measures:

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment...y/0,23663,20892770-5007192,00.html

http://www.theage.com.au/news/fashio...dels/2006/09/13/1157826985132.html

Love this quote from one of the articles, BTW: "In the Third World, if someone has an index of less than 18.5, they send in humanitarian aide," she said.


User currently offlineTransWorldSTL From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 568 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1217 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 9):
You've clearly never heard of Fashion week in NYC, probably more important than all the fashion shows in Paris and Milan put together.

Oh, but I have, thanks. Definitely not more important than the Paris shows. Sorry. I think you need to brush up on YOUR information.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 9):
Donna Karan

I wasn't aware the "high end designers" were the kind who's main market was the sale rack at Macy's?

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 12):
For example, both Spain and Italy have implemented or are working on implementing similar measures:

Yes, but Italy is the home of many of the world's greatest designers... And Spain isn't exactly the biggest fashion mecca in the world to begin with..


User currently offlineMham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3389 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1211 times:

Im wondering how this will pass Constitutional muster. Does government have the right to ban a person from earning a living based on personal appearance?

User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 4981 posts, RR: 44
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1200 times:

Quoting TransWorldSTL (Reply 13):
Yes, but Italy is the home of many of the world's greatest designers...

...exactly! And they're the ones who (whether they like it or not) will be setting the trend! I don't see how NY would suffer from following that trend.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1188 times:

Quoting TransWorldSTL (Reply 13):
Quoting Jaysit (Reply 9):
Donna Karan

I wasn't aware the "high end designers" were the kind who's main market was the sale rack at Macy's?

Hon, you clearly don't understand the differences between couture, fashion, pret, and the stuff that makes it into the mass market. And I bet you've never bought a $10,000 Donna Karan suit. Which incidentally, will never make it to the Macy's sale rack.

But I digress.

Quoting TransWorldSTL (Reply 13):
Quoting Jaysit (Reply 9):
You've clearly never heard of Fashion week in NYC, probably more important than all the fashion shows in Paris and Milan put together.

Oh, but I have, thanks. Definitely not more important than the Paris shows. Sorry. I think you need to brush up on YOUR information.

Darling, believe me, while the Parisian fashion shows may have a certain chic to them (and to be taken seriously a designer must show in Paris), the Parisian designers all look to New York for approval. So go on reading Sixteen or Seventeen magazine or whatever for your information, but the reality is that New York still decides what goes and what doesn't be it for a Galliano or Rei Kawakubo. I've worked with enough design houses on lobbying Congress for copyright protection for fashion to know where the $$$$ is, and what role New York plays in the grand scheme of things. Incidentally, Ralph Lauren, the king of ready-top-wear himself, plays a bigger role than most couture designers. And all the big Italian fashion designers - Armani, D&G, Versace, Valentino Garavani - operate primarily from the US.

Paris will always be very important give its iconographic status, but New York is where the big decisions are made. Its not just some place where some designers sometimes show their stuff as you so hopelessly put it.

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 10):
Quoting TransWorldSTL (Reply 4):
but this story is EXTREMELY important to people who's entire careers are in the fashion industry.

I'm sure the starving and homeless millions in the World think it's EXTREMELY important.

The poor in India, China, Peru, etc. who manufacture much of the world's clothes may not give a damn if some elfin model is forced to go off her cocaine, cigarettes and 3 martini olives diet, but the fashion industry in itself dictates what we will be wearing a few years from now, which dictates what poor workers in the Third World will be manufacturing. Globally, think of how many millions of people work in the garments industry.


User currently offlineKunoichi From Denmark, joined Jan 2007, 796 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1169 times:

Well, no matter who's the biggest, whether it's New York or not, this has been done in most of the "fashion capital" anyway- Milan had a fashion show a short while back where they banned all models with a low BMI (don't remember the limit), so this certainly isn't all new.

Good to see... I hope it changes some things...



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29699 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1166 times:

If this passes, expect somebody to file a lawsuit that states that being underweight is a disability as defined by the American with Disabilities act.


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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1151 times:

Its the same old over-reaction by government bodies. One stick insect dies, and then they jump in with their clammy hands creating a fracas.

Catwalk models have always been walking hangars. What's new?

The average person is perfectly sensible enough to know that (a) ordinary humans are not models; and (b) that a diet of air, water, coffee and a celery translates into an untimely end.

As for those who don't, the hell with them. Let Darwinian realities weed out stupid, whiny, anorexic bimbos who think they should look like catwalk models. The only people losing out will be talk show hosts who need an endless parade of such losers to fuel their "human interest" stories.


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1149 times:

This is blatant discrimination against us young, beautiful, thin and gorgeous people ! I protest  grumpy 

User currently offlineTransWorldSTL From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 568 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1128 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 19):
Let Darwinian realities weed out stupid, whiny, anorexic bimbos who think they should look like catwalk models. The only people losing out will be talk show hosts who need an endless parade of such losers to fuel their "human interest" stories.

I'd like to point out, that a lot of people believe Anorexia-Nervosa is a disease. I believe it's a disease. One day, I happened to just lose my appetite, after getting shit for being a chubby kid all my life. I lost an enormous amount of weight, and now the thought of pigging out, like most Americans do, makes me sick to my stomach. People who are anna honestly believe they are fat. They look in the mirror, and literally see fat. It's not something you can just one day say "hey, I think I'll start eating everything again", otherwise people wouldn't continue to starve themselves until Heart Failure. So, please, until you've experienced this for yourself, don't make such harsh comments.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29699 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1123 times:

Quoting TransWorldSTL (Reply 21):
I'd like to point out, that a lot of people believe Anorexia-Nervosa is a disease. I believe it's a disease.

That goes with my earlier comment about the ADA. Since it is a disease, one could argue that banning it would violate the ADA.



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1122 times:

Quoting A332 (Reply 3):
Good... bring on some models with some curves... a huge segment of the population (myself included) finds ultra thin girls completely repulsive.

Western society needs to get over it's obsession with thin women... it's downright sickening what people will do to themselves to be thin and feel 'accepted'...

Agree. I find the anorexic look to be as unappealing as possible. However, I agree with Jaysit. It isn't any of the government's business.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 6):
That having been said, if skeletons are what the fashion industry thinks is the ideal form for displaying clothes, so be it. The Gabbamint should just get out of it.

 checkmark 

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 14):
Im wondering how this will pass Constitutional muster. Does government have the right to ban a person from earning a living based on personal appearance?

That will be an interesting debate.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1122 times:

Quoting TransWorldSTL (Reply 21):
I'd like to point out, that a lot of people believe Anorexia-Nervosa is a disease. I believe it's a disease.

True enough.

But anorexia-nervosa has been around for years. My partner just lost one of his best childhood friends from the disease.

But her death, and Karen Carpenter's tragic death had precious little to do with thin catwalk models (who, while thin, were sexier and a tad curvier back then anyways). Both had other issues that tragically were manifested as anorexia.

Tomorrow if you put Queen Latifah and Kirstie Alley on the catwalk, anorexia nervosa aint going away. The nexus between thin catwalk models and those suffering from anorexia is a weak one at best. The only people exploiting this media-created nexus are talk show hosts who one day will trot out a 50 lb anorexic girl and then pontificate on skinny models, and the very next day have a show on "how to lose 25 lbs in 7 days."

More than anything else, I think that young men today who are raised on a diet of looking at celebrities and porn stars who tend to be "sticks with tits" are the ones to blame. Young women today want to look like some pilates scrubbed celeb with big melon boobs to be attractive to stupid men, not realizing that starvation does not silicone make.


User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2378 posts, RR: 5
Reply 25, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1079 times:

Not that I disagree with the idea, I'd love to see a woman look more like a woman. But this thing has a snowballs chance in hell of a long tenure. This screams discrimination and in New York? A payroll cut in the US Congress has a better chance of passing.


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