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A Thought I've Been Having RE: Iran And Venezuela  
User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1707 times:

As we've been seeing lately, Venezuela and their anti-American dictator Hugo Chavez have been buddying up with Ahmedinejad from Iran. Meetings between the two have become commonplace.
I fear this will happen; IF Iran develops a nuclear weapon, and thats a big "if", does anyone else feel they could put the nukes in Venezuela and point them at the US?
Chavez seems nutty enough to pull something like that, and Iran seems hellbent on killing Americans. Sounds plausible to me.

-Copa

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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1699 times:

Will Venezuela's neighbors allow Cha-Cha Chavez to get that far?

Mark


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1701 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 1):
Will Venezuela's neighbors allow Cha-Cha Chavez to get that far?

Let's hope the answer is  no 

Elsewise Bubba Bush will have to draft to get troops deployed there.


User currently offlinePanAmOldDC8 From Barbados, joined Dec 2006, 960 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1692 times:

Quoting Copaair737 (Thread starter):
fear this will happen; IF Iran develops a nuclear weapon, and thats a big "if", does anyone else feel they could put the nukes in Venezuela and point them at the US?

It was tried once in Cuba and you know how that came out. I don't think that the people of Latin America and the Caribbean would allow this, as generally they are peace loving people and don't want to cause anyone harm, they have their own problems with poverty etc to deal with and I am sure as a Bajan that we would not be very happy



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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1682 times:

Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Reply 3):

It was tried once in Cuba and you know how that came out. I don't think that the people of Latin America and the Caribbean would allow this, as generally they are peace loving people and don't want to cause anyone harm, they have their own problems with poverty etc to deal with and I am sure as a Bajan that we would not be very happy

He has a lot of socialist/communist allies down there though. Something Castro really didn't have. He's got that Morales guy in Bolivia, the Sandanistas in Nicaragua, etc.
I just think Ahmedinejad and Chavez are crazy enough to concoct a scheme such as that. They both hate America, and Venezuela is just a short hop away for a missile.
Scary IMHO.

-Copa


User currently offlineTeamAmerica From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 1761 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day ago) and read 1670 times:

Quoting Copaair737 (Thread starter):
does anyone else feel they could put the nukes in Venezuela and point them at the US?

Well, for starters it's prohibited by Treaty of Tlatelolco which Venezuela signed. The treaty is supported by a UN Resolution and also signed by the big five nuclear powers.

Nukes in Venezuela, from any source, would absolutely prompt a response by the US, the UN, and pretty much all of Latin America. Chavez may be crazy, but I don't think he's stupid. So, no, that's not going to happen.



Failure is not an option; it's an outcome.
User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day ago) and read 1664 times:

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 5):
Treaty of Tlatelolco which Venezuela signed

Do you think Cha-Cha cares about "imperialistic" treaties?

Mark


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day ago) and read 1664 times:

Impossible. Never gonna happen. Ever.

YOWza



12A whenever possible.
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day ago) and read 1650 times:

Quoting Copaair737 (Thread starter):
Venezuela and their anti-American dictator Hugo Chavez have been buddying up with Ahmedinejad from Iran.

beside the point that Iran is developing nuclear energy for CIVILIAN use and is not on the bomb, whenever this is permanently hammered into people by the US government and some others, the MAIN POINT is this : in spite of rethorics the Iranian economy is NOT socialist but capitalist and the theocratic zealots in Tehran are economic and fiscal conseratives, miles away from communism.
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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 23 hours ago) and read 1639 times:

Chavez's days in power can be counted on one hand the day he points a nuclear weapon at the US.

The guy is a nut. Let him rant and rave about the devil in the US because he's harmless. For all the sh*t he talks about the US and Bush, his oil still flows to the US. He's just full of hot air.


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 23 hours ago) and read 1632 times:

I see it being completely plausible. Most LatAm countries don't have the means to respond to Chavez getting a weapon, they'll just sit and wait for the US to do something about. And in the meantime he will have his apologists justifying this, much as they do with Iran.

Quoting Pope (Reply 9):
Let him rant and rave about the devil in the US because he's harmless.

That remains to be seen. Dangerous people like him are not created overnight. It takes years for their plans to come to fruition. And by the time the actual problem is realized by the rest of the world, you have narrowed down how many solutions there are to the problem.

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 5):
Nukes in Venezuela, from any source, would absolutely prompt a response by the US, the UN, and pretty much all of Latin America.

Scratch out the UN and LatAm and you'll have the answer as to who will have to deal with the problem.


User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 23 hours ago) and read 1628 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 10):

Scratch out the UN and LatAm and you'll have the answer as to who will have to deal with the problem.

As usual. People complain about the US being the "World's Policeman" but then they are right there whenever some source of evil comes to power, asking us to do something about it.

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 10):
That remains to be seen. Dangerous people like him are not created overnight. It takes years for their plans to come to fruition. And by the time the actual problem is realized by the rest of the world, you have narrowed down how many solutions there are to the problem.

His rants were a good laugh. You couldn't take him seriously. Until of course, this Iranian leader started coming over and fraternizing. This guy's stated he's for the destruction of the US and Israel, and he's developing enriched Uranium. Combine this with a locale that is close enough to launch short-range nuclear weapons from to hit the US, and, I think there is a problem.
Seems harmless to me.  sarcastic 

-Copa


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 23 hours ago) and read 1623 times:

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 11):
As usual. People complain about the US being the "World's Policeman" but then they are right there whenever some source of evil comes to power, asking us to do something about it.

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Spot on. The US is the evil empire, unless of course, the world is unwilling to act. Look at Bosnia and Somalia to name just two places where the world was unwilling to act until the US took the lead. The EU in particular wants it both ways. They want to criticize the US for not acting and then hide behind our skirt when we do.

I've said it time and time again. If the rest of the world doesn't want the US to be the world's policeman, then someone needs to step up. Who's that going to be? France? Germany? Italy? Spain?


User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 22 hours ago) and read 1608 times:

I'm just sick of everytime there is a huge disaster somewhere in the world, we are always expected to give cash and donate things. I say screw that.
Classic example is Indonesia after the '04 Tsunami. That place was leveled, and they came crawling out begging us for money and aid, to which we gave it to them.
My problem lies in that a few years earlier, after 9/11, they were the same people dancing and celebrating in the streets that the "Great Satan" had just been smacked in the mouth.
Screw them.

-Copa


User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 22 hours ago) and read 1603 times:

double post

filler

filler

-Copa

[Edited 2007-02-02 23:44:38]

User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 22 hours ago) and read 1602 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 12):
Look at Bosnia and Somalia

Actually the US did not exactly finish up in Somalia did they?

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 13):
hey were the same people dancing and celebrating

So Fox news shows a pack of idiots dancing and your going to paint every single citizen in Indonesia with that bursh? Come on.

I do agree that not enough people appreciate the good things the US does. But by the same token doing good things does not cancel out the less noble ventures and there are plenty of those.

YOWza



12A whenever possible.
User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4319 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 1566 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 10):
Scratch out the UN and LatAm and you'll have the answer as to who will have to deal with the problem.

Actually on this you might be wrong. I know most people here are ignorant of this fact, but Argentina-Iran relations are extremely rough, perhaps worse than United States-Iran relations. Any Iranian moves in South America would prompt a tough response from Buenos Aires.

To the point where, for example, president Kirchner will meet with Venezuelan Jews, something one can't say is exactly in Chavez's or Iran's to do list.



My internet was not shut down, the internet has shut me down
User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 1558 times:

Quoting YOWza (Reply 15):
So Fox news shows a pack of idiots dancing and your going to paint every single citizen in Indonesia with that bursh? Come on.

The majority IMO probably do hate America.
And I don't get all my info from "Fox News". Nice try though.
Its ridiculous we help out people who celebrate when we have similar events happen to us.
Ridiculous.

-Copa


User currently offlinePanAmOldDC8 From Barbados, joined Dec 2006, 960 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 8 hours ago) and read 1537 times:

Quoting YOWza (Reply 15):
Actually the US did not exactly finish up in Somalia did they?

Have a suggestion. let the US pull all of its' troops from all around the world and let the world get on with destroying itself
Next close the Canada/US border and only us stuff made in the US
Let the US become an isolated state as they were in the 30'S
I am very worried about this Iran/Venezuela thing as I have a feeling that it is going to affect the whole Caribbean, they are already the idiots in Barbados asking for the separation of Barbados from the US/Canada and Britain. Mr. Chavez is handing out money in the Caribbean like it is going out of style. a lot of the business community is worried



Barbados, CWC soon, can't wait
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 4 hours ago) and read 1518 times:

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 13):
Indonesia after the '04 Tsunami. That place was leveled,

"that place" ? rubbish, people in most of Indonesia took note of the Tsunami on TV, per radio and in the newspapers. The area concerned is less than 10% of the area and less than 5% of the population of that country.
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Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 13):
after 9/11, they were the same people dancing and celebrating in the streets that the "Great Satan"

"they" ? you mean that all 210 mio. Indonesians were "dancing+celebrating" ? Strange is that US media reported half the world as "celebrating" while European media reported about some people in some places. Strange is that on CNN, the same woman distributed sweets to children in Beirut, Jerusalem and Cairo but she was never asked why, the CNN reporter just concluded that it "obviously" was in happiness about what had happened in New York.
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Quoting Pope (Reply 12):
Look at Bosnia where the world was unwilling to act until the US took the lead.

the lead was taken by Algeria which sent military advisors to the Bosnians to help them persevere
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Quoting Pope (Reply 12):
The US is the evil empire, unless of course, the world is unwilling to act

you canNOT have it both ways. You canNOT be in the strongest superpower on earth on one side, and expect that nobody DISagrees. Only to mention the criticizm and the costs and conveniently ignore the influence and the resulting economic advantages is hyprocritical
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Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 17):
The majority IMO probably do hate America.

the majority of WHAT exactly does hate "America" ? you mean the media of "el-Qaeda International (Indonesia) Inc " ?
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Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Reply 18):
already the idiots in Barbados asking for the separation of Barbados from the US/Canada and Britain

what do some people on Barbados want exactly ? I mean, Barbados is an independent country, and a member of the "Commonwealth of Nations". It canNOT separate from the USA as it IS separate from the USA. It however might become a republic (QEII no longer head-of-state), and it may decide to get out of the commonwealth. I am sure that a billion people in the Commonwealth will break out in tears about that loss !  laughing 
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User currently offlinePanAmOldDC8 From Barbados, joined Dec 2006, 960 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 3 hours ago) and read 1504 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 19):
It canNOT separate from the USA as it IS separate from the USA. It however might become a republic (QEII no longer head-of-state), and it may decide to get out of the commonwealth. I am sure that

You misunderstood me they want to break off diplomatic ties with the US Canada and Britain as they see them as imperialist, and for that matter they want no part of Europe either as they see them as the White countries. They are in the miniority , but they are the type that want their way at all costs, most Bajans black and white seem to think they are nuts, but the way that Chavez is throwing his money around to buy people, they seem to be getting their voice herd and are now claiming that Chavez is the saviour of the Caribbean. I told one of them the other day to think before he opens his mouth and says something stupid, an asked him if he wanted everything taken over by the Government and wanted the tourist trade to stop. His answer was it would not matter as Chavez would give them the money to support the country. So you see what I am talking about?



Barbados, CWC soon, can't wait
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 3 hours ago) and read 1499 times:

Quoting Copaair737 (Thread starter):
As we've been seeing lately, Venezuela and their anti-American dictator Hugo Chavez have been buddying up with Ahmedinejad from Iran. Meetings between the two have become commonplace.

I am all other than Chavista, but sorry Chavez is not a dictator.... the guys were so stupid and re-elected him 2 month ago with over 60% of votes...



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 2 hours ago) and read 1491 times:

Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Reply 20):
they want to break off diplomatic ties with the US Canada and Britain as they see them as imperialist, and for that matter they want no part of Europe either as they see them as the White countries. So you see what I am talking about?

I fear YES, but the matter is perfectly crazy........


User currently offlinePanAmOldDC8 From Barbados, joined Dec 2006, 960 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 2 hours ago) and read 1490 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 21):
but sorry Chavez is not a dictator

What is he then? I am only asking from your point of view as you live there. I see him as a threat to the whole of the Caribbean and Latin America, I know what is going on here in BGI and I fear for my country.



Barbados, CWC soon, can't wait
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 2 hours ago) and read 1489 times:

Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Reply 23):
What is he then? I am only asking from your point of view as you live there. I see him as a threat to the whole of the Caribbean and Latin America, I know what is going on here in BGI and I fear for my country.

He is an a.....e, things are not going good down here in Venezuela thank you to him..... but as mentiond before a big part of the venezuleans elected him... at least I am only an expat here and can leave the country when things are worser.... anyway its sad to see Venezuela in such a shape...



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
25 PanAmOldDC8 : Where are you from? I love Venezeula and had some great times in Caracas, mind you that was a long time ago. Used to go there once a month to visit a
26 Duff44 : Exactly... why would he threaten his biggest customer (I think)? Let him flap his gums all he wants, it's all hot air.
27 Avianca : half colombian and half german.... the country (venezuela) is really great but the situation....
28 PanAmOldDC8 : China would buy his oil in a minute, that's the problem
29 MaidensGator : That would probably hurt Canada worse than the US... The best were the ones that actually blamed the US for causing the tsunami... Hitler was elected
30 Cedars747 : The problem is that you forget to mention who is the creator of these sources of evil Alex!!!
31 Yhmfan : There is a reason countries trade with each other and it is because it is mutually beneficial to both countries. If you extrapolate the same argument
32 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : - a "dictator-in-the-making" or a "not-yet-dictator" ! he in fact still has a chance NOT to become a dictator, but all info available now hints other
33 MD11Engineer : Then he should have a close look at the ends of both. Jan
34 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : I actually had THAT in mind !
35 BHXFAOTIPYYC : I don't think this alliance will go far. Chavez may have a longer shelf life, but Ahmeda3inabed is seeing his oil revenue slide thanks to the Saudis,
36 PanAmOldDC8 : I know quite a few Iranians here in Canada, as a matter of fact a Doctor and his wife live in the building and he and I are good friends and he says
37 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : "his popularity" ?? he never has been popular. He right for THIS reason tried to get some popularity by "flamboyant" speeches. He was not elected due
38 PanAmOldDC8 : Big demonstration today in favour of Chavez, all chanting "Gringos out"
39 AndesSMF : Forgive me for expressing skepticism about 'the will of the people' in Iranian politics. But we do agree that Ahamdishidfishg is not that popular and
40 Yellowstone : Just a thought - I wonder how many people who misspell Ahmedinejad do it 'cause they can't spell it, and how many do it out of disrespect? I wonder wh
41 Post contains images Avianca : with a lot of nice girls that are open minded ..... and show what they have
42 AndesSMF : Can't spell it well, but mostly out of disrespect. Iraq is Shiite, Syria is Sunni. They seem not to have a problem with that alliance. After all, as
43 Yellowstone : To be sure, but I would guess that the religious leaders would be a lot more comfortable with a Shii-Sunni alliance, within Islam, than an alliance b
44 AndesSMF : Tell that to the people of Iraq.
45 Yellowstone : The fighting in Iraq is more about geopolitical issues than religious disagreements. If there wasn't a history of Sunni oppression of Shias, and if t
46 Pope : Please don't be ridiculous. The rest of the world did not follow the Algerians into Bosnia - the notion is laughable. I can assure you that if the US
47 ME AVN FAN : while Iran is "Islamic" by definition and by political structure, Syria and Venezuela are NOT countries defined by religion. Any alliance between Ira
48 MaidensGator : You make a valid point. My point was that Hitler, considered by most historians to have been a dictator, originally came to power through an election
49 ME AVN FAN : - this in a way makes Syria "the odd man out" as the power in Syria is in the hands of a family-clan out of a 7% percent religious minority, and wher
50 MD11Engineer : The former Philippino dictator Ferdinand Marcos also was originally in 1968 elected as a president. When the end of his second term came (as in the US
51 Pope : You're responding to an argument that isn't being made. The only thing I "blame" the EU for is there lack of action in allowing genocide to occur wit
52 ME AVN FAN : here again, the E.U. is NOT a country but just an organisation, and that organisation was paralysed due to different members being on different sides
53 PanAmOldDC8 : Hind sight is 20/20. As in a lot of things, we should have done and didn't, but it too late to go back and set them straight. By the way that friend
54 ME AVN FAN : Was I in favour of the solution as outlined above then ? YES, clearly. Did I foresee the present mess out of what actually was done ? NO !
55 AirTran737 : Are you interested in buying some ocean front property that I have for sale in Arizona? He is well on his way to becoming one. Making laws through de
56 Avianca : maybe he is on the way.... but still elected 2 months ago... + let us remember the oposition in Venezuela get nos his ass up in order to fight agains
57 ME AVN FAN : I would NOT buy that property from you, just as I would NOT buy a second-hand-car from Mr Ahmedinejad . I did NOT refer to the credibility-status of
58 Pope : Nobody was "content" , and nobody was "sitting". Quite to the contrary, the French were busy trying to get support for the Serbians, the Brits were t
59 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : the E.U. canNOT be a "world-leader" for the next 50 years at least, as it, to say it again, is NOT a country with a federal structure, but a union of
60 Pope : All EU members will never agree on anything. Excuses excuse excuses. The EU had all the military power it needed to stop the killing. The only help i
61 ME AVN FAN : here you in a way missed on the value of NATO. NATO is the British tool to invoke the USA-Canada connection.
62 Post contains images LTU932 : Chances that Cha-Cha-Chávez doesn't become a dictator a slim at best. He will be dictator, and we'll see that soon enough. Hitler did keep power bac
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