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Team Canada & Hockey... No Gold For Awhile  
User currently offlineTrickijedi From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3266 posts, RR: 5
Posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1029 times:

As most hockey fans know Canada produces most of the best hockey players out there who are playing in the NHL. In fact even the youngsters in junior hockey especially the ones in QMJHL are pretty darn good.

Since most of the best hockey players are Canadian, why has it been so long since the Canadian hockey team won a gold medal in the Olympics? The last time they won gold was I believe 1952 in Oslo.

Was it just numerous counts of failed execution? Was it a lack of leadership in coaching perhaps? Was it just bad luck?

What do you think?


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User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4626 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1002 times:

I think it's more because the other teams that make to the medal rounds are made up of mostly NHL players too. This would bring them to an equal level. Have you ever watched a game with Canada against a team with no or very few NHL players on it? It's a joke.

Have you seen this olympics roster for team Canada? They DEFINATLEY have a team that can win the gold this time. I haven't seen a roster that good in awhile.

Regards,
Kris from YYC



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User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4626 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1000 times:

Here it is:

http://nhl.com/olympics2002/canada/canada_chart.html



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User currently offlineAC_A340 From Canada, joined Sep 1999, 2251 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 996 times:

It is a good team. Hopefully we can win.

Just as a sidenote, I grew up 20 mins away from where Belfour did.


User currently offlineTrickijedi From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3266 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 993 times:

Yes, I figured that the "NHL factor" would make a difference in who gets the gold (or who gets a medal for that matter) but I've always thought that the Canadian Hockey Teams in the past have always had the most NHLers in the Olympic team which was what got me to wondering why they haven't won gold in a while.

And yes the Canadian Team does look very good. Thanks for the link VonRichtofen. I was really surprised and happy at the same time that Jerome Iginla was picked to play. I'm not sure who his linemates are going to be but he will very difficult to contain because of his speed and ability to break out and of course his shot. The one total surprise to me was Eric Brewer.

Here's another question, which other team (country) do you think will be very tough to beat? The one team that just wouldn't want to walk away empty handed?



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User currently offlineUs330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3841 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 984 times:

Brewer wasn't a surprise. He is one of the top young defensemen in the NHL, and really looked good for Edmonton during the playoffs last year.

User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4626 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 979 times:

Iginla wasn't a surprise to me, he is the top scorer in the league. As for countries that'll be tough I'd say:

-USA
-The Czech's
-Russia or Sweden


Regards,
Kris



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User currently offlineB747ca From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 677 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 975 times:

Don't know if you guys are old enough but this is only the 2nd or third olympics where NHLers are allowed to compete for their country. Also the drought has been this long because the former Soviet Union, the former Cechzovalkia(sp?) and East Germany ect. used to send their pros. While the US and Canada could not send their pros aka NHLers.Why could they get away with this? Well they were not considered pros as they were mostly "soldiers" therefore no pro pay. But I doubt if any one of those "soldiers" can even hold a gun.

Just my 2 cents......



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User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4773 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 969 times:

The reason they haven't won gold for 50 years is because until the last olympics, our best players weren't playing in the olympics...the NHL season didn't allow for it.

Personally, I was a bit dissapointed with the roster. The players I think shouldn't be on the team are:

-Joe Nieuwendyk:
Sure, he's a nice guy and all and still a half-decent second line center. But he's nowhere near his prime and has very wonky knees.
CP's replacement: Joe Thornton. Not only is he a much better producer, he's a hell of a lot faster, has a great shot and is bigger...more of a threat on the powerplay. Not to mention he's 13 years younger.

-Simon Gagne:
Yes, he does inject some "young blood" into the lineup with great speed. But he hasn't been in the NHL long enough to prove he belongs on this team.
CP's replacement: Jason Allison. This guy gets no respect from anyone, yet he is one of the top point producers in the league when he plays. He also has a size advantage and is good killing penalties.

-Ed Belfour:
Everyone knows he's going to be the #3 goalie behind Brodeur and Cujo. For that spot you need a personality that can cheer the team on while not getting grumpy at the lack of playing time.
CP's replacement: Sean Burke. He's been on two Olympic teams in the past and was really hoping to be on the roster...even as a third goalie.


User currently offlineTrickijedi From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3266 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 960 times:

CPDC10-30,

Nice replacement list! I would definitely have to agree with you on Joe Thornton replacing Joe Nieuwendyk. I think Thornton's experience for his age will benefit the team, not to mention blend right in with the rest of the youngsters.

I also agree that Jason Allison should be oon the team but disagree that Gagne should be taken out. I'm not a huge Gagne fan but I do like his shooting skills and his speed. Can you imagine him on the same line as Iginla? Those two guys alone make their line a deadly one and that's one a one-two combination any team would love to have. And they would tire players like Chelios and Housley (if he gets chosen) out real quick on an Olympic-sized rink. In regards to Thornton, yes this guy gets no respect from anybody. Seems like people were giving Bill Guerin (a player whom I think is slightly above average on the skill level) way more props than Thornton for some reason when they were together. But Thornton was more of a sniper and an offensive threat than Guerin was.

A guy who I was silently hoping would get chosen was Eric Daze (and I'm not just saying that because I'm a Hawks fan  Smile ). In fact I never really liked Daze until very recently. This guy is huge and plays a good game. He has definitely turned it up this year and also plays a better defensive game. He's turning into an excellent two-way player very nicely - and right on time for the Hawks playoff run.

So are you a Leafs fan since you live in Toronto?



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User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4773 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 955 times:

I am a sort of neutral Leafs fan...my real team is actually Edmonton but I don't hate the Leafs  Smile

Daze had the reputation of being lazy until recently, and I think he wasn't able to live down that rep in time. Plus the fact that while he isn't slow, he isn't a blazing fast skater and the team was looking for more speed. I agree with you that he's improved a lot lately, espescially defensivley and on the PK.

My biggest fear now is having Belfour whining and being a distraction for the other goalies and the rest of team...you should know all about that being a Hawks fan LOL  Smile


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