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Tony Dungy: We Did It Right As Christians  
User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2336 times:

Am I the only person who finds it sickening that Tony Dungy accredited the Colts win to being a good Christian????


I am getting sick and damn tired of players, coaches, and owners saying God, or Jesus allowed them to win. Being Christian has nothing to do with winning the damn Super Bowl!!!!! How about the simple fact that your team was better on this particular day???

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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11268 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2324 times:

Yes.

Religion And Its' Role In Sports (by D L X Jan 22 2007 in Non Aviation)

Thank you for posting this. I was expecting him to say it again, as did Irsay. I was a bit surprised that they both amped up their god-talk.

I'm Catholic, and it bothered me. I think it's the wrong message.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21558 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2324 times:

Got any quotes? There's a difference between thanking God that you won, and saying that the reason that you won is because you were good Christians.

-Mir



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11268 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2311 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
There's a difference between thanking God that you won, and saying that the reason that you won is because you were good Christians.

It's in the thread title. That was a good characterization of his statement. He didn't say "thank God we won" or anything like it.



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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2303 times:

If a team loses, do they blame Jesus or God, then? I didn't realise that God and/or Jesus took sides in sporting events. Do they place bets then, since they know the outcome? They'd do great in Vegas or Macau for betting.

So, if a team wins, then actually doing better, being the better team, performance, the practice before the actual game doesn't matter. It was God's or Jesus' will for that particular team to win.

I never knew that.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2303 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Thread starter):
Am I the only person who finds it sickening that Tony Dungy accredited the Colts win to being a good Christian????

Yes, you are.

Like it or not but a persons belief system often has a major effect on how they operate.



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User currently offlinePadraighaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2303 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Thread starter):
Am I the only person who finds it sickening that Tony Dungy accredited the Colts win to being a good Christian????

No.


User currently offlineFr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5392 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2290 times:

OK, so what?

If he truly believes it was his 'good Christianity' that led to the win, so what? You're offended, why?

I'm a eastern Orthodox Christian, and I could give a darn whether he thinks his team won because of his pious faith or because the Bears are a bunch of Satanists. It was a good game, up until the last 10 or so minutes.

[Edited 2007-02-05 06:44:55]


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User currently offlineCoz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2282 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Thread starter):
Am I the only person who finds it sickening that Tony Dungy accredited the Colts win to being a good Christian????


I am getting sick and damn tired of players, coaches, and owners saying God, or Jesus allowed them to win. Being Christian has nothing to do with winning the damn Super Bowl!!!!! How about the simple fact that your team was better on this particular day???

They won the superbowl, let them say what they want.

It's a free country and if you don't like what someone says on the TV, change the channel or turn it off.


User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4383 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2275 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 7):
Quoting S12PPL (Thread starter):
Am I the only person who finds it sickening that Tony Dungy accredited the Colts win to being a good Christian????

Yes, you are.

With numerous people echoing his sentiment in this thread, how could you even say that...?

I do find it a bit sickening when they take it to that next level of not only thanking God for the opportunity, but acreditting him with the outcome!



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User currently offlineCoz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2275 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 10):
When he said that crap...EVERYONE in the room at the party I was at groaned and rolled their eyes.

Well that's a fair survey.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2268 times:

What I want to know....


How much do they get for accrediting a win to God or Jesus by the church? It's like they have some incentive for saying it...


Or they think they'll get into heaven for thanking God for the win...


Then they go out to the bar and do a line of cocaine off a strippers ass. I guess that's gonna get them into heaven, too.


User currently offlinePadraighaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2265 times:

Quoting Fr8mech (Reply 10):
If he truely believes it was his 'good Christianity' that led to the win, so what? You're offended, why?

My guess is there are Christians who object to this because it suggests the following issues:

1. the losers were less christian in some sense

2. that the divine gets involved in picking sides in american entertainment

3. all the while sitting idly by while people starve in Darfour (sp?) etc.

and so on.


User currently offlineKalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2230 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Thread starter):
Am I the only person who finds it sickening that Tony Dungy accredited the Colts win to being a good Christian????

No.

How about the simple fact that their team were better on this particular day because of their positive faith.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11268 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2209 times:

Quoting Kalakaua (Reply 13):
How about the simple fact that their team were better on this particular day because of their positive faith.

So, the Colts were better because they believed, while the Bears didn't?

This would be particularly offensive if Rex Grossman is Jewish.



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User currently offlineKalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2185 times:

Well, it's psychological. I'm not saying you have to have the Christian faith. Faith and religion are different, bud.


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User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3982 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2175 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
Got any quotes? There's a difference between thanking God that you won, and saying that the reason that you won is because you were good Christians.

-Mir

Not specifically saying they won is because you were good Christians but he did say...........

"I'm proud to be the first African-American coach to win this," Dungy said during the trophy ceremony. "But again, more than anything, Lovie Smith and I are not only African-American but also Christian coaches, showing you can do it the Lord's way. We're more proud of that."

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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13548 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2168 times:
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Quoting Dragon-wings (Reply 16):
Not specifically saying they won is because you were good Christians but he did say...........

"I'm proud to be the first African-American coach to win this," Dungy said during the trophy ceremony. "But again, more than anything, Lovie Smith and I are not only African-American but also Christian coaches, showing you can do it the Lord's way. We're more proud of that."

OH HORRORS!  sarcastic 

There are things in this world far more worthy of being offended by. Let it go.



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User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2161 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 17):
OH HORRORS!

There are things in this world far more worthy of being offended by. Let it go.

Probably...But this is another example of Christian nut jobs who think that because they have a strong faith, nothing bad can happen to them, and they will be rewarded with crap. It's ridiculous.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11268 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2158 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 17):
OH HORRORS!

There are things in this world far more worthy of being offended by.

Would you say that if you were Jewish or Muslim? There were Jewish and Muslim players on the field that day that probably would be offended by a coach saying "we're going to do things here as Christians."

They're probably very surprised, thinking that they were going to a football game, not church.



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User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4942 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2141 times:

Are you kidding? Dungy actually said that? Geez, I already hate him and the Colts...

America- get it straight. Sports and sports events are not and should not be religious in nature. They are recreational and are a pastime for us, not a ritual of some kind in which being more "Christian" will give you an advantage and God will be proud if you thank him for the win.

Take sports as they are- entertainment and organized competition. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm sorry if that offends people, but sports are a purely secular concept.



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User currently offlineDavestanKSAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1678 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 18):
Probably...But this is another example of Christian nut jobs who think that because they have a strong faith, nothing bad can happen to them, and they will be rewarded with crap. It's ridiculous.

Uhm Mr. Dungy has had plenty bad things happen to him. He's said his faith in God has helped him overcome them.

I don't think he meant "we won because we are Christian" but he was saying that he was proud that he stuck to his values and still attained success. Mr. Dungy and Mr. Smith are two of the most classiest coaches you will find, not because they are Christian, but because of the way they carry themselves on and off the field.

I'll say this. Everybody's relationship with God is different.

Quoting D L X (Reply 19):
Would you say that if you were Jewish or Muslim? There were Jewish and Muslim players on the field that day that probably would be offended by a coach saying "we're going to do things here as Christians."

I am half Jewish and I wasn't offended by Mr. Dungy's remarks. I'll bet you some players on the Colts aren't Christians. Does that mean he wants to kick them off the team?? Look what he said: "but also Christian coaches, showing you can do it the Lord's way. We're more proud of that." He is saying he is proud he stuck to his morals and values. I can see how one can interpret that literally but IMO I think he meant it differently.

Didn't we already have this thread, D L X?? haha  silly 

Dave



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13548 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2109 times:
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Quoting D L X (Reply 19):
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 17):
OH HORRORS!

There are things in this world far more worthy of being offended by.

Would you say that if you were Jewish or Muslim?

I think ANYONE - regardless of religion or ethnicity - could agree that there are far worse things in this world to complain about than a coach citing his religion on TV.



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2109 times:

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 21):
I'll bet you some players on the Colts aren't Christians.

And I bet you that you aint gonna find one Buddhist, Hindu, Jew, Muslim or Taoist on the team.

They're probably all Christian, unless if by Christian one means the born again holy rollers who've hijacked that term for themselves.

In any case, who cares? If this dude believes that he won because God took sides, then let him believe what he wants to believe.

I mean, Tom Cruise believes that aliens from the planet Xenu arrived on earth in DC-8s; Dungy believes that God was on his side; Pat Robertson talks to God. They're all nuts. At least Dungy hasn't (as yet) jumped on Oprah's couch or claimed to predict major weather patterns in the US.


User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2076 times:

Get over all of yourselfs. You guys are so quick to shoot down any Christian who gives glory to OUR God. You guys are the ones that sicken me with your over blown ego selfs. Let the man say what he wants to say. He at least shows humility in that its not just himself that can make things happen. If you were in his shoes you would probably be self gloating because you are self centered people. Get over it!

I respect both coaches very much for expressing their faith without worrying about what people like you guys say. Its people like you guys who make the problems. Not us Christians. If you only let people speak what they wanted without having to always bicker about he cant say that or im fed up with it, then the world might actually be a better place. You dont see us Christians bashing you guys all the time when you guys like to say "thats all me...Im the bomb...gotta look out for number one." Its your self-centerdness that brings the people around you down.

Thank you Tody Dungy for showing humility and giving praise to God.



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25 Kalakaua : Being Christian is a lifestyle! Discrediting someone's faith is like taking away the paintbrush away from a painter. Thanks for the double-standards,
26 Post contains images DeltaGator : Perhaps my Bible history is wrong but I swear I remember something attirbuted to Jesus about just going on with your daily business leading a Christia
27 Rammstein : I don't find it sickening, in my opinion any person that thinks "We won because we are good Christians": 1) Didn't understand anything about Christia
28 Vikkyvik : Wasn't it Tony Dungy's son who died last year (or sometime recently)? I'm sure that wasn't a good thing for him. Damn, take it easy man. And nice gen
29 Pope : Just one more example that the only religion that the left seeks to destroy is Christianity. Heck if Dungy had praised Allah (peace be upon him) any
30 D L X : Well, that's a broad BS statement. I let any man say what they want to say, including you, and if that man says something offensive or incorrect, I t
31 Gunsontheroof : Yeah...because "the left" is so much more of a driving force in the world than Christianity...I think you're confusing the goal of destruction with t
32 Post contains images Rammstein : The left is trying to "destroy Christianity"? I have to take note about this Instead of "the left" (what is "the left" by the way? Congratulations fo
33 Nkops : You are aware what happened to Dungy's son, right??
34 Post contains images DL021 : Probably not.....but who cares? OK...then stop watching. How do you know? That's fair. I don't know if I agree or not, but that's a fair comment. Pro
35 Superfly : Church, sports, it's all entertainment.
36 Falcon84 : Another big waster of bandwith by people who can't stand people who acknowledge their faith and their God. Get a life, people.
37 MSYtristar : Oh no, a coach who lost his son to suicide last year got emotional after winning the Super Bowl and mentioned god! The horror! The shock! You people w
38 Post contains images N666FU : Listen let's just end this nonsense right now. God likes the Colts and the Bears. The only team that God doesn't like is the Eagles. I'm Catholic and
39 LTBEWR : To credit a belief in Christian faith for your win is taking a very narrow view of the world. I am quite sure there are a number of non-Christians on
40 Post contains images Tom in NO : I betcha I can come up with a few Jehovah's Witnesses and regulars at Harrah's Sports Book whose opinions might differ ... Precisely... Tom at MSY
41 IFEMaster : My word...this again? This was discussed ad nauseum in another thread a couple of weeks ago. Some people just can't let it go, can they? Really, if yo
42 Jaysit : Allah watches football??? Dude, you got it all wrong. Jesus watches football, Allah watches soccer.
43 PanAmOldDC8 : That his right whether you like it or not, freedom of speech I believe it is called, if someone told you, you couldn't speak your mind as you are doi
44 S12PPL : Dude...does your pussy hurt? Holy crap...You've managed to generalize everything. Very nicely done... Wow...And you and QXatFAT are the reason I can'
45 QXatFAT : You cant stand them because we take a stand for what we believe in? Dont set a double standard. You stand up for what you believe in so who cares! An
46 PanAmOldDC8 : Grow up, you are spitting a lot of garbage. His right is to say what he wants is protected under the Constitution and it is called FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
47 Heavymx1 : Do you know what I'm sick and tired of? People always complaining about what other people say and believe. You do your thing and I'll do mine. Why do
48 MBMBOS : LOL! Now if we could only get Christians and lions into the same sport stadium...
49 Superfly : ..and all other religious zealots.
50 Post contains images QXatFAT :
51 IFEMaster : This thread is becoming vindictive...mods, this really should be locked before it gets too out of hand.
52 PanAmOldDC8 : Second that
53 S12PPL : No...I can't stand you all because you all feel the need to impose your own personal beliefs on everyone else, and damn everyone to hell who doesn't
54 Fumanchewd : Its a free country and he should be able to say what ever he would like as long as its not sponsered by the government. His son committed suicide las
55 PanAmOldDC8 : Don't put words in my mouth, I said that you and I have the right to make our statements just as he did. I am sure that swearing and cussing is a lot
56 IFEMaster : Too late...
57 DL021 : Isn't that taught in freshman football appreciation at South Bend? Wow...that's grown up. Do you talk that way to strangers in person? And you haven'
58 Post contains images QXatFAT : Not all Christians are like that. If only you knew how most of us were instead of the few that you have actually heard of. Its also hard to understan
59 Post contains images QXatFAT : I hope you dont think I said this
60 AndesSMF : That is so funny that you mention that and express such aggravation over 'imposing' Christian beliefs on others, because the way I see it the left al
61 S12PPL : Then I ask you not to do the same. Then try saying it in a way that can't be interperated that way.... What does your job at the bus depot have to do
62 QXatFAT : S12PPL, I am officially done with talking about this with you. You have taken it over the edge. So everyone that has posted so far, if Tony Dungy woul
63 PanAmOldDC8 : Thanks for making me make my decsion to leave Airliners.net
64 S12PPL : Well, I'll throw another issue out there that hasn't been discussed yet: For me, this isn't as much about some guy thinking that because he's a "Good
65 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : Why don't you go do a little research and find out what happend to Tony Dungy about 14 months ago, right around Christmas time 2005. Then maybe you'l
66 S12PPL : And guess what? They evolved! Do you honestly think ANY Christians, or ANY other religion that believes in a single god would participate in a sporti
67 IFEMaster : Oh man, this thread is getting more and more ridiculous by the minute. Mods, step in any time...really...honestly...please? Pretty please?
68 FlyDeltaJets87 : That wasn't the question. First, the point was in response to San747's comment that sports and religion have no connection, and I pointed to the cont
69 S12PPL : First...This statement. I don't shut down Christians. I don't go stand in front of churches on Sundays and tell them they're wrong. I could give two
70 PanAmOldDC8 : Goodbye to all my A.Net friends, I am leaving because of S12PPL. He is of the opinion that no one but him has a voice and I will not stand by while h
71 S12PPL : If you're gonna leave because of one person...That says a lot about you as a person... If you believe that...Then you don't read what I say. Wow...it
72 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : Tiger Woods is Buddhist you ignorant fool. You'll noticed I edited the quote and added "or complain a hell of a lot", which you most certainly do. Th
73 San747 : Actually, I think in this country, that probably would've gotten a stronger reaction than referring to a Christian God... No. It's because he's going
74 Post contains images QXatFAT : Well its a bummer that you let him get to as much as he did. I have been threw tons of these converstions where people like him bash me 24/7 and the
75 EWRCabincrew : Don't check out of here because of one person's opinion. Opinions are just that. Opinions. They are not right or wrong, better or worse. Opinions. Ig
76 Post contains images S12PPL : I'm giving an example. I know he's Buddhist... It's using prominant names in sports. Jeez. I'm sorry...you missunderstood who I was directing that at
77 S12PPL : No, you don't...Or you wouldn't say what you did.
78 MSYtristar : What the %^& are you talking about???? Man, you have serious issues. I feel for you.
79 Srbmod : Since this thread is turning into a bash religion and has gotten beyond the point of being able to clean up the thread, it it now locked.
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