TransWorldSTL From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 568 posts, RR: 1 Posted (9 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8626 times:
While planning my next college visit down in Miami at the end of this month, I came to realize that Florida has A LOT of toll roads..
The SunPass website says it usually costs $15.70 to get from Ft.Lauderdale to Disney World, just in tolls? That seems outrageous, though I live in an area where the only toll we pay, is to use a bridge that has been closed for years, and won't open again until 2009.
Why are FL's interstates mostly all tolls? The only thing I can find by Googling, is that the DOT doesn't make enough money to cover the costs otherwise, but couldn't that be solved by a different kind of tax? Surely the tolls are a cash-cow in the Orlando area with the tourists, so why are the (seemingly) so high?
I have a feeling that constant trips from Homestead to Miami are going to take quite a chunk from my gas funds.
All of Florida's INTERSTATES are free (ok there might be a COUPLE of exceptions) But the route you are talking about is taking the "Ronald Regan Turnpike" It's a toll road. If you want to be a cheap bastard, take I-95 to SR-50 and that will take you to downtown Orlando for Free.
DAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8588 times:
Orlando also only has one interstate that is absolutely substandard for the demands. Thankfully, alot is being done to improve it, like rebuilding interchanges and adding lanes from Polk County all the way to I-95, but all that costs quite a bit money that FLDOT doesn't have, hence Toll Roads are found everywhere. And believe me, I have been stuck in rushhour traffic on I-4 more than once, and the last thing I need while on vacation is wasting hours in a traffic jam, and as such, I'd happily pay a few bucks to use FL-417 around Orlando and avoid that clusterf*ck on I-4 in downtown.
It should also be noted that the Orlando area is growing massively, 2 largest growth area in the US after Vegas, IIRC, and that certainly factors in for the DOT's lack of fundings to stay on top of the growth.
KBFIspotter From United States of America, joined May 2005, 729 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8581 times:
I lived in Central Florida for 9 years, and had no problem paying tolls... I figured that if I was using the roads, I might as well pay my share to use them...Granted, there are some major toll roads, such as the East-West Expressway, SR-417, SR-528, and the Florida Turnpike, but this is minor compared to the number of major roads that have no tolls. Granted, it has been four years since I moved, so things might have changed...
I agree with TedTAce, go I-95 to highway 50 if you want to go to Orlando. If you want to go to Disney, though, and want to go the quickest route, be prepared to pay. Going all the way to Titusville, cutting across, and then back down will add over an hour each way...
767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8572 times:
Okay, since your question hasn't been answered, the reason for so many toll roads is that there is NO state income tax, and taxes paid on vehicle registration are comparatively low (compared to Georgia anyway).
DeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8555 times:
Quoting 767Lover (Reply 5): Okay, since your question hasn't been answered, the reason for so many toll roads is that there is NO state income tax, and taxes paid on vehicle registration are comparatively low (compared to Georgia anyway).
Another underlying issue was a weak or uninterested Congressman during the massive growth of the Orlando area during the 1970s through the 1980s and onward. Without federal funding for interstate highways the area turned to state roads and put tolls on them to pay for them. Of course the massive growth that the Orlando area experienced during that time was something nobody was ready for and the area is still catching up with transportation.
The Turnpike has always been a toll road though I do believe it is cheaper to travel along it now that they redid the toll structure a few years back.
Interesting note on the tolls is with SR528 (the Bee Line) running from Brevard County over to Orlando. When that road was built the government forces that be promised when the road was paid for they would remove the tolls. That road was supposedly paid for after its first year in existence but yet the tolls remain. Brevard County finally pulled the tolls off the road in the late 80s or early 90s (I forget exactly when) but they remain in Orange County and are more costly than before.
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Ted - I am assuming this is the "Florida Turnpike" renamed??
Lastly, US Route 27 is a good drive. North/south artery through the middle of the state. Skirts right past Orlando on the west side, and heads east in the southern portion of the state over to the Miami area.
ORFflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8546 times:
Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 9): I90 has plenty of tolls on it from Chicago eastwards. Same with I70 through Pennsylvania.
Yes, but don't they also carry the "turnpike" name as well. This is the loophole that some states jumped into to add the tolls way back when. I-95 from Richmond to Petersburg used to have tolls, and was called the "Richmond-Petersburg Turnpike" as well as carrying the I-95 designation. Once the turnpike name was dropped, and it was only I-95, the tolls went away.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13765 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8540 times:
Toll roads are politcian's way to making sure the people have the roads they need, but not tax them for it. To many taxpayers, why should they have to pay for a fancy road few of them will ever drive on (especially if in other parts of the state). Then you have the need to employ or appoint people at high salaries to run the toll road authorities, and you have a politicans dream.
BUT it is slower then Methusalah!!! Lots of lights, lots of slow 'back country' town folks who are not in a rush. I would equate it to taking route 66. You take it because you want to enjoy the trip, not getting there in a timely fashion, and it gets you a lot closer to Mickeyworld then my previous suggestion, but my previous suggestion is still 'faster'... Oh, and no small town cops with chips on their shoulder on I-95. Sure you get county mounties, but no small town 'we are making our money off of visitors' attitude.
DAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8539 times:
Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 9): Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 7):
Unless something has changed over the years, under federal mandate, states cannot put a toll on an interstate.
I90 has plenty of tolls on it from Chicago eastwards. Same with I70 through Pennsylvania.
Not only those. Others that come to mind are:
I-44 throughout Oklahoma
I-35 parts of it in Kansas
I-70 parts in Kansas as well
I-88 parts in Illinois
I-95 parts in Maine
I-87 parts in New York/New Jersey
I-77 parts in W. Virginia
I-80 where it overlays I-90
I-76 throughout Pennsylvania. Matter of fact, I-76 aka Pennsylvania Turnpike is the first major tollroad in the US.
StarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3695 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8520 times:
Quoting TransWorldSTL (Thread starter): The SunPass website says it usually costs $15.70 to get from Ft.Lauderdale to Disney World, just in tolls? That seems outrageous, though I live in an area where the only toll we pay, is to use a bridge that has been closed for years, and won't open again until 2009.
Be thankful, the 407 here in Toronto will cost that to drive one way across the entire city and thats with a transponder, at least you are talking about a 4-5 hour drive and not a 45 minute one.
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7879 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8520 times:
RE: toll roads as interstates.
Highways like the NYS Thruway, Pennsylvania Turnpike, Mass Pike, etc were constructed/planned before the passage of of the National Defense Highway Act of 1956. These roads were then integrated into the Interstate Highway system.
Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
I can remember back in 1997, driving down to Disney World, and having to use Toll Roads. Granted, they were probably the smoothest and most upkept roads I had ever been on (compared to MO/IL roads), but I remember A LOT of tolls.