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Toll Roads Everywhere In Florida.. What Gives?  
User currently offlineTransWorldSTL From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 568 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6309 times:

While planning my next college visit down in Miami at the end of this month, I came to realize that Florida has A LOT of toll roads..
The SunPass website says it usually costs $15.70 to get from Ft.Lauderdale to Disney World, just in tolls? That seems outrageous, though I live in an area where the only toll we pay, is to use a bridge that has been closed for years, and won't open again until 2009.

Why are FL's interstates mostly all tolls? The only thing I can find by Googling, is that the DOT doesn't make enough money to cover the costs otherwise, but couldn't that be solved by a different kind of tax? Surely the tolls are a cash-cow in the Orlando area with the tourists, so why are the (seemingly) so high?

I have a feeling that constant trips from Homestead to Miami are going to take quite a chunk from my gas funds.

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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6280 times:

Quoting TransWorldSTL (Thread starter):
Why are FL's interstates mostly all tolls?

 no 
Grasshopper, you have much to learn.

All of Florida's INTERSTATES are free (ok there might be a COUPLE of exceptions) But the route you are talking about is taking the "Ronald Regan Turnpike" It's a toll road. If you want to be a cheap bastard, take I-95 to SR-50 and that will take you to downtown Orlando for Free.


User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6279 times:

Wait until you get to the Orlando area...

That is the toll road capital.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6271 times:

Orlando also only has one interstate that is absolutely substandard for the demands. Thankfully, alot is being done to improve it, like rebuilding interchanges and adding lanes from Polk County all the way to I-95, but all that costs quite a bit money that FLDOT doesn't have, hence Toll Roads are found everywhere. And believe me, I have been stuck in rushhour traffic on I-4 more than once, and the last thing I need while on vacation is wasting hours in a traffic jam, and as such, I'd happily pay a few bucks to use FL-417 around Orlando and avoid that clusterf*ck on I-4 in downtown.

It should also be noted that the Orlando area is growing massively, 2 largest growth area in the US after Vegas, IIRC, and that certainly factors in for the DOT's lack of fundings to stay on top of the growth.


User currently offlineKBFIspotter From United States of America, joined May 2005, 729 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6264 times:

I lived in Central Florida for 9 years, and had no problem paying tolls... I figured that if I was using the roads, I might as well pay my share to use them...Granted, there are some major toll roads, such as the East-West Expressway, SR-417, SR-528, and the Florida Turnpike, but this is minor compared to the number of major roads that have no tolls. Granted, it has been four years since I moved, so things might have changed...


I agree with TedTAce, go I-95 to highway 50 if you want to go to Orlando. If you want to go to Disney, though, and want to go the quickest route, be prepared to pay. Going all the way to Titusville, cutting across, and then back down will add over an hour each way...

Kris



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User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6255 times:

Okay, since your question hasn't been answered, the reason for so many toll roads is that there is NO state income tax, and taxes paid on vehicle registration are comparatively low (compared to Georgia anyway).

User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6238 times:

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 5):
Okay, since your question hasn't been answered, the reason for so many toll roads is that there is NO state income tax, and taxes paid on vehicle registration are comparatively low (compared to Georgia anyway).

Another underlying issue was a weak or uninterested Congressman during the massive growth of the Orlando area during the 1970s through the 1980s and onward. Without federal funding for interstate highways the area turned to state roads and put tolls on them to pay for them. Of course the massive growth that the Orlando area experienced during that time was something nobody was ready for and the area is still catching up with transportation.

The Turnpike has always been a toll road though I do believe it is cheaper to travel along it now that they redid the toll structure a few years back.

Interesting note on the tolls is with SR528 (the Bee Line) running from Brevard County over to Orlando. When that road was built the government forces that be promised when the road was paid for they would remove the tolls. That road was supposedly paid for after its first year in existence but yet the tolls remain. Brevard County finally pulled the tolls off the road in the late 80s or early 90s (I forget exactly when) but they remain in Orange County and are more costly than before.



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User currently offlineORFflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6237 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 1):
All of Florida's INTERSTATES are free

Unless something has changed over the years, under federal mandate, states cannot put a toll on an interstate.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 1):
"Ronald Regan Turnpike"

Ted - I am assuming this is the "Florida Turnpike" renamed??

Lastly, US Route 27 is a good drive. North/south artery through the middle of the state. Skirts right past Orlando on the west side, and heads east in the southern portion of the state over to the Miami area.


User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6231 times:

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 7):
Lastly, US Route 27 is a good drive.

Just make sure you obey the posted speed limits when going thru the podunk towns...


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12242 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6231 times:
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Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 7):
Unless something has changed over the years, under federal mandate, states cannot put a toll on an interstate.

I90 has plenty of tolls on it from Chicago eastwards. Same with I70 through Pennsylvania.



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User currently offlineORFflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6229 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 9):
I90 has plenty of tolls on it from Chicago eastwards. Same with I70 through Pennsylvania.

Yes, but don't they also carry the "turnpike" name as well. This is the loophole that some states jumped into to add the tolls way back when. I-95 from Richmond to Petersburg used to have tolls, and was called the "Richmond-Petersburg Turnpike" as well as carrying the I-95 designation. Once the turnpike name was dropped, and it was only I-95, the tolls went away.


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13096 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6223 times:

Toll roads are politcian's way to making sure the people have the roads they need, but not tax them for it. To many taxpayers, why should they have to pay for a fancy road few of them will ever drive on (especially if in other parts of the state). Then you have the need to employ or appoint people at high salaries to run the toll road authorities, and you have a politicans dream.

User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6228 times:

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 2):
That is the toll road capital.

Only if you stray off of SR-400 (I-4)

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 6):
The Turnpike has always been a toll road though I do believe it is cheaper to travel along it now that they redid the toll structure a few years back.

 no  unless you are talking about adjusting for inflation, then yeah it's a little cheaper, but not using whole dollar ammounts.

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 7):
Unless something has changed over the years, under federal mandate, states cannot put a toll on an interstate.

Tell that to New Jersey... Plus now that I recall I-75 (Aligator Alley) has tolls on both sides of the state.

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 7):
Ted - I am assuming this is the "Florida Turnpike" renamed??

 vomit   yes   vomit 

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 7):
Lastly, US Route 27 is a good drive.

 yes   yes   yes   yes 

BUT it is slower then Methusalah!!! Lots of lights, lots of slow 'back country' town folks who are not in a rush. I would equate it to taking route 66. You take it because you want to enjoy the trip, not getting there in a timely fashion, and it gets you a lot closer to Mickeyworld then my previous suggestion, but my previous suggestion is still 'faster'... Oh, and no small town cops with chips on their shoulder on I-95. Sure you get county mounties, but no small town 'we are making our money off of visitors' attitude.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6222 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 9):
Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 7):
Unless something has changed over the years, under federal mandate, states cannot put a toll on an interstate.
I90 has plenty of tolls on it from Chicago eastwards. Same with I70 through Pennsylvania.

Not only those. Others that come to mind are:
I-44 throughout Oklahoma
I-35 parts of it in Kansas
I-70 parts in Kansas as well
I-88 parts in Illinois
I-95 parts in Maine
I-87 parts in New York/New Jersey
I-77 parts in W. Virginia
I-80 where it overlays I-90
I-76 throughout Pennsylvania. Matter of fact, I-76 aka Pennsylvania Turnpike is the first major tollroad in the US.


User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2571 posts, RR: 31
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6221 times:

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 7):
Unless something has changed over the years, under federal mandate, states cannot put a toll on an interstate.

I remember paying tolls in Delaware while driving on I-95 from Baltimore to NYC...

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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6211 times:

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 7):
Unless something has changed over the years, under federal mandate, states cannot put a toll on an interstate.

I-90 in NYS starting atteh PA boarder is a toll road. Its called the NYS Thruway. Not sure if thats the same kind of loophole a Turnpike evidentally is, but they do charge for its use.


User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3362 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6203 times:

Quoting TransWorldSTL (Thread starter):
The SunPass website says it usually costs $15.70 to get from Ft.Lauderdale to Disney World, just in tolls? That seems outrageous, though I live in an area where the only toll we pay, is to use a bridge that has been closed for years, and won't open again until 2009.

Be thankful, the 407 here in Toronto will cost that to drive one way across the entire city and thats with a transponder, at least you are talking about a 4-5 hour drive and not a 45 minute one.



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User currently offlineORFflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6203 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 13):
Not only those. Others that come to mind are:

Have they always been a toll road? Do they also carry another designation other than interstate?

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 14):
I remember paying tolls in Delaware while driving on I-95

I don't think I-95 goes through Delaware, unless it's a very short distance up near the New Jersey/Pennsylvannia/Deleware borders.

Quoting KROC (Reply 15):
Its called the NYS Thruway

 checkmark  There's that loophole.

I'll add that what I posted originally about no tolls on interstates is very old information, but I'm pretty damn sure it WAS a federal mandate back in the day. Times change......


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7776 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6203 times:

RE: toll roads as interstates.

Highways like the NYS Thruway, Pennsylvania Turnpike, Mass Pike, etc were constructed/planned before the passage of of the National Defense Highway Act of 1956. These roads were then integrated into the Interstate Highway system.



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6201 times:

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 17):
I don't think I-95 goes through Delaware, unless it's a very short distance up near the New Jersey/Pennsylvannia/Deleware borders.

It does go through Deleware, the entire massive 11 miles  Wow! , of which 5 are tolled.


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12242 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6201 times:
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Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 13):
Not only those. Others that come to mind are:

Yeah, I only knew for sure about the ones I avoided when I drove to DC in November. Didn't feel like looking it up  Smile



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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6191 times:

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 17):
I don't think I-95 goes through Delaware, unless it's a very short distance up near the New Jersey/Pennsylvannia/Deleware borders.

It does.

http://www.aaroads.com/delaware/i-095.htm


User currently offlineORFflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6187 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 19):
It does go through Deleware, the entire massive 11 miles   , of which 5 are tolled.



Quoting KROC (Reply 21):
It does.

http://www.aaroads.com/delaware/i-095.htm

And the part that is tolled is called the Delaware Turnpike.

From the link: "Entering the Delaware Turnpike Toll Plaza on Interstate 95 south"

The loophole effect.....  Smile


User currently offlineTransWorldSTL From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 568 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6152 times:

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 5):
NO state income tax,

This I did not know!

I can remember back in 1997, driving down to Disney World, and having to use Toll Roads. Granted, they were probably the smoothest and most upkept roads I had ever been on (compared to MO/IL roads), but I remember A LOT of tolls.


User currently offlineJ_Hallgren From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6140 times:

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 22):
And the part that is tolled is called the Delaware Turnpike.

And on some online mapping sites, it shows only a ONE mile or so stretch that is colored/marked as toll...just another little irritation on the way to/from FL...



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25 DeltaGator : It's been a while since I'e taken the Turnpike all the way South to Miami but I swear from Wildwood to Orlando it was a bit cheaper when they redid t
26 PHLBOS : While the roadmaps may show 5 miles of I-95 (Delaware Turnpike) as a toll road; the truth of the matter is there is only ONE toll barrier located at
27 Delta767300ER : South Bay, Clewiston, Moore Haven, Sebring, Avon Park, LAKE WALES, Dundee, Clermont/Minneola.......I could go on forever. Regarding toll roads, I hav
28 PHLBOS : Again, try driving in the northeastern part of the country; there's plenty of traffic and cops along those roads. Some state police forces even have
29 DAL767400ER : Wow, that's pretty ridiculous. I suppose the tolled part used to be longer? IIRC, there's also a service area like you only find it on toll roads on
30 USAFHummer : Its the name of a town in Connecticut as well...and was featured in a "Jackass" segment...
31 MaidensGator : When the Interstate system was designed, it incorporated certain existing toll roads, such as the Pennsylvania Turnpike and NY Thruway. To repay the
32 FlyVirgin744 : Take it from an industry insider, with the costs of construction and the ever rising congestion in most areas, don't be surprised if by the end of you
33 MaidensGator : That's nothing, in Florida we have, among others: Econlockhatchee River Ocklawaha River Loxahatchee River Apalachicola River Caloosahatchee River Cho
34 J_Hallgren : Never thought I'd see the little town where I grew up mentioned on a post here! I spent much of my early years in Dundee! It's a lot bigger now but b
35 ORFflyer : Stayed in Clewiston for a week every year back in mid to late 80's. My Father-n-law and I fished Lake Okeechobee for five or six years in a row back
36 N1120A : Their interstates don't have tolls, it is the other highways I don't think you ever clarified if that is Florida's Turnpike renamed. Yeah, welcome to
37 Post contains images ORFflyer : Reply 12....
38 KBFIspotter : Here is a question for those of you in C. Fla: When did 528 change from the Beeline to the Beachline? It just does not sound right to me... It must be
39 PHLBOS : More closer to your neck of the woods; the toll booths along original stretch of the Mass Pike (NY State line to Weston (I-95/Route 128)) were suppos
40 N1120A : I completely disagree. The government of Ontario has been embroiled in a battle to revoke the lease of the company that privately runs and maintains
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