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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2780 times:

http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slu...p-italy-violence&prov=ap&type=lgns

ROME (AP) -- Only six soccer stadiums in Italy meet security requirements, meaning that league games in other arenas will be played without fans following last week's death of a police officer during riots at a game in Sicily.

Well done Soccer. I haven't heard of any other sport having to be played without any fans in attendance because stadiums do not have enough security controls in place to deal with all your rioting. Perfect.

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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

Quoting KROC (Thread starter):
Well done Soccer. I haven't heard of any other sport having to be played without any fans in attendance because stadiums do not have enough security controls in place to deal with all your rioting. Perfect.

And people make fun of the crowds at US sports events . . .

With rare exceptions, we might dress crazy, paint our faces (and other body parts) in our favorite team colors, wear fake cheese on our heads (Go Green Bay), but we rarely kill off a police officer and riot in the stands.

Shameful.


User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2771 times:

Quoting KROC (Thread starter):

Well done Soccer. I haven't heard of any other sport having to be played without any fans in attendance because stadiums do not have enough security controls in place to deal with all your rioting. Perfect.

I was watching the recent Six Nations rugby matches last weekend, and made the comment to my father that rugby and football fans are so removed from each other.

In football, the fans are seperated in the stands, restricted on refreshments and generally treated like the animals they are.

In rugby, the fans mix in the stands, can buy and drink alcohol on site, and are generally treated as human beings.

Fantastic.


User currently offlineAussie18 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2772 times:
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Well its the few fans that go to the game that ruin it for everyone and guess Police and Security have made right decision and not allowing Fans at certain games.

User currently offlineLapper From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 1562 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2766 times:

It's not fans or soccer related, it's all yobs and politics AFAIK

User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2753 times:

Quoting KROC (Thread starter):

Well Well fancy that coming out of the most corrupt soccer league in Europe


User currently offlinePanAmOldDC8 From Barbados, joined Dec 2006, 960 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2748 times:

Quoting KROC (Thread starter):
Well done Soccer. I haven't heard of any other sport having to be played without any fans in attendance because stadiums do not have enough security controls in place to deal with all your rioting. Perfect

It is sad that we don't except games for what they are , GAMES, and not a war between sides. Since all the "stars" get so much money now, it seems the fans have gone crazy. A win at all costs, not for the enjoyment of the sport any more. Even kids now play as if there is no tomorrow, instead of playing it for the sport. Sad, really, sad



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8667 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2746 times:

Quoting KROC (Thread starter):
Well done Soccer.

Italian football - they won the World Cup and I loved that, but it's also right where my sympathy ends. It is not the same with all "soccer" leagues, but we all know you'll never tire of bashing it.  Wink



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User currently offlinePelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Reply 6):

It is sad that we don't except games for what they are , GAMES, and not a war between sides. Since all the "stars" get so much money now, it seems the fans have gone crazy. A win at all costs, not for the enjoyment of the sport any more. Even kids now play as if there is no tomorrow, instead of playing it for the sport. Sad, really, sad

But then the phenomenon of hooliganism is nothing new to football (soccer for our American friends).

pelican


User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

Quoting KROC (Thread starter):
I haven't heard of any other sport having to be played without any fans in attendance because stadiums do not have enough security controls in place to deal with all your rioting.

There should be no Rioting in the FIRST PLACE!!!



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User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2717 times:

And I thought Europeans were supposed to be the most civilized people on earth.

User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 7):
but we all know you'll never tire of bashing it.

 innocent   Wink

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 9):
There should be no Rioting in the FIRST PLACE!!!

Exactly. However.....

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 10):
And I thought Europeans were supposed to be the most civilized people on earth.

Ouch.



User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8667 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 10):
And I thought Europeans were supposed to be the most civilized people on earth.

We do love to be generalised, you know...



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User currently offlineRammstein From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

Quoting KROC (Thread starter):

ROME (AP) -- Only six soccer stadiums in Italy meet security requirements, meaning that league games in other arenas will be played without fans following last week's death of a police officer during riots at a game in Sicily.

Well done, I would say. I never attended a football/soccer game: never liked the presence of hot heads within the fans and the huge economic interests behind this sport (at least in Italy).

Said that, I lived for a few years nearby a stadium of "Serie A": it was always depressing to notice, after the end of a match, that within normal families with children there were delinquents ready to destroy anything they were able to reach.

If "their" team won or didn't wasn't important: they were there only to "relax" destroying cars/call boxes/road signs or punch the face of any police officer.

In my opinion, if the "national sport" here was something different, let's say rugby, it would be the same: those thugs/criminals would enjoy doing the same. The solution is simple: act firmly like UK did in the past with hooligans.


User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3206 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2707 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 2):
In football, the fans are seperated in the stands, restricted on refreshments and generally treated like the animals they are.

You are an utter tool. Why am I an animal? I am not treated like an animal when I go to the football. Maybe if you went to a lower league game and saw what PROPER football is about, rather than the rubbish you see in the premiersh*t... you might have a different perspective on what proper fans are.

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 2):
I was watching the recent Six Nations rugby matches last weekend

Says it all really  Yeah sure Egg chasers...



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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2697 times:

Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 14):
You are an utter tool. Why am I an animal? I am not treated like an animal when I go to the football. Maybe if you went to a lower league game and saw what PROPER football is about, rather than the rubbish you see in the premiersh*t... you might have a different perspective on what proper fans are.

I agree that its different in the lower leagues, however its not the lower leagues that give people an opinion of a countries football fans internationally.

And unfortunately more often than not, there are animals that follow those teams around and will cause trouble whenever they are not segregated.

In rugby there isnt the disparity that exists between the football leagues and the premiership, and I think that goes a long way to helping.

Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 14):
Says it all really Yeah sure Egg chasers...

At least rugby players dont get acting lessons  Yeah sure


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2681 times:

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 5):
Well Well fancy that coming out of the most corrupt soccer league in Europe

And a soccer league that still allows players like Di Canio to play, a man who openly does the Hitler Salute and in general just behaves like a mini-Mussolini, playing for the former Mussolini-owned team Lazio Rome, which also is still referred to as SS Lazio Rome.

You really can't judge European football in general based on what the Italians do, because compared to Italian football fans, a meeting between Galatasaray and Besiktas fans in Istanbul can be called a Peace Summit.


User currently offlinePanAmOldDC8 From Barbados, joined Dec 2006, 960 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2678 times:

Quoting Rammstein (Reply 13):
In my opinion, if the "national sport" here was something different, let's say rugby, it would be the same: those thugs/criminals would enjoy doing the same. The solution is simple: act firmly like UK did in the past with hooligans.

You are a good man Charlie Brown and you have hit the nail on the head. People today seem to think that going out, getting drunk and destroying everything in sight is the right thing to do. Now I should clarify , not everyone, just the punks and rabble rousers. When the police step in to break it up they are the bad guys and they are the ones that have done wrong. Where is our direction, between right and wrong. I also feel that our so called "stars" get paid way too much money and also through their fans they think they are God's gift to the world. Do you know what "fan" is short for, fanatic , there is your reason



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User currently offlineRammstein From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2675 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 16):
And a soccer league that still allows players like Di Canio to play, a man who openly does the Hitler Salute

Agreed, he is really an idiot, but the league is worse.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 16):
which also is still referred to as SS Lazio Rome.

Well, actually "SS" stands for "Società Sportiva", quite common acronym in Italy; no connection to the nazi/fascist times.


User currently offlineTheSorcerer From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 1048 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2658 times:

Quoting KROC (Thread starter):
Well done Soccer. I haven't heard of any other sport having to be played without any fans in attendance because stadiums do not have enough security controls in place to deal with all your rioting. Perfect.

Yeah, because this has happened in the whole of Europe.  sarcastic 

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 10):
And I thought Europeans were supposed to be the most civilized people on earth.

A lot of generalisations on here. I take it as a sign that you don't know what you're talking about.

Dominic



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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2655 times:

Quoting TheSorcerer (Reply 19):
Yeah, because this has happened in the whole of Europe.

Really? Stories of Soccer violence only happen in Italy? I guess all those stories I have heard and read all had the wrong locations.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineTheSorcerer From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 1048 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2646 times:

Quoting KROC (Reply 20):
Really? Stories of Soccer violence only happen in Italy? I guess all those stories I have heard and read all had the wrong locations.



Quoting KROC (Thread starter):
I haven't heard of any other sport having to be played without any fans in attendance

Never said there's no football violence. Football matches being played without fans in attendance is only happening in Italy, not the rest of Europe.

Dominic



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12202 posts, RR: 35
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2640 times:
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Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 2):
In rugby, the fans mix in the stands, can buy and drink alcohol on site, and are generally treated as human beings.

Which is also the way it is here in the uncivilised USA. We might hate the other team, but won't riot and kill people over it.



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User currently offlineBREmer From Germany, joined May 2004, 551 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2640 times:

I don't think you can classify these people as football/soccer fans. Hooliganism is a culture of its own, which is using the matches as a stage. They come there to beat the crap out of each other, not to watch a game and derby matches like the intra-Sicily one or Ajax vs. Feyernoord in Holland are of course most vulnerable to these riots because of the regional connection.

I grew up in Bremen close to the Weserstadion, back in the 80s there was a lot of hooliganism too. One match day against the HSV, we had to switch cars with my godmother and park hers in our garage. She was from Hamburg, and the mob would have probably set it on fire with the Hamburg license plate.
The situation here improved rapidly as soon as they started an anti-hooligan program all over Germany, including fan projects where police, fan representatives and club officials exchanged views and tried to tackle the problems. The police also started a black list which can be accessed by law enforcement all over the country. That way, they can make sure some people don't even make it to the stadium. On the downside, a lot of hooligan activity moved on into lower leagues.
But these things need to get started in Italy as well. "Ghost games" and massive police force at the games won't help.

Lukas


User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 47
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2637 times:

It's just as well they played to empty stadiums. With all the defensive lockdowns, pleading with the ref, diving, and general histrionics, not to mention collusion between team owners and match-fixing by officials, Serie A is pretty much unwatchable anyway.


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25 Post contains images BREmer : BTW: Has anyone noticed that the stadiums of Cagliari and Palermo are among the 6 considered safe? Nuff said.
26 Rammstein : Agreed 100%. Paradoxically, this has very little to do with the police officer killed, the crime happened outside of the stadium, in a ordinary road.
27 Halls120 : It is wrong to generalize as some have done in this thread. But it is an interesting question. In American football, you just don't read about the ki
28 767Lover : Hmmm, I probably know as much as the Europeans who generalize about Americans every chance they get. Pick a thread, any thread on Non Av and it's lik
29 RichardPrice : Conversly, pick any thread and theres also likely to be some negative connotations about the French...
30 LTBEWR : Over the years, there have been stupid fans acting stupidly at American sporting events including American Football, Baseball, basketball and so on, s
31 Post contains images SASlover : Why is it at people must generalize in here. I'm a Dane living in Europe. And I would consider myself very civilized when I'm going to soccer every s
32 Cornish : Just to clarify (for those less aware of what happened) the incident happened in Catania in Sicily, not Cagliari (on Sardinia) that the above poster
33 Pelican : I don't know but I would guess its because of the hooligan subculture - at least in Europe. I've never heard that such things happen in connection wi
34 Rammstein : Really interesting question. I'm not a psychologist, but: 1) Those violent people act violently only when they are in company of other people (other
35 Post contains images AirCop : Isn't soccer played in the states to almost empty stadiums. Maybe the Europeans can learn from us.
36 Post contains images RJ111 : Association Football is just such an interesting sport it attracts all different kinds of people and not just fat, middle-aged balding Americans. The
37 Post contains links and images KROC : Yeah well, I'm not seeing say Baseball or Hockey that is played in another country having to play in front of no fans because they cannot act right.
38 Derico : What they should do is have schools teach in empty classrooms in the United States, because for all the holier-than-thou attitude I witness here abou
39 Post contains images Rammstein :
40 Post contains images Thom@s : Given the number of stadiums, and the millions of peolpe who go to see matches every week, it is no surprise that some idiots turn out to be more int
41 KROC : I have outrage at that too. However, the minute that the number of deaths from kids whacking out others in school reaches the lever of Soccer, then I
42 TheSorcerer : Neither am i, but if you want to bash people who caused this then you can bash the ultras and not football fans from all over Europe. Dominic
43 MD11Engineer : I think one reason is that many of us Europeans are still quite tribalistic when it comes to their country, city or even district of origin. Since fo
44 767Lover : LOL. Given that my mother's side of the family is from Manchester UK, I will always have a soft spot for our overseas friends. I didn't realize my sa
45 ZRH : The Italian football is absolutely corrupt and criminal. The clubs should be banned from all European competitions for at least five years like the en
46 PPVRA : Interesting you mentioned "region." Not in every case, for sure, but most of the time in the US there is one major football/baseball team in each sta
47 Scorpio : You make it sound like people dying from soccer violence is a common weekly occurrence. It most certainly is not. It happens very rarely. Just as rar
48 KROC : I don't have to have attended a specific amount of Soccer games in my lifetime to read sports news and usually world news and see the frequency of So
49 Post contains links and images Banco : Ah. Perfect American sports where there's never any trouble at all: http://football.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1660884,00.html
50 MauriceB : KROC please stop fooling youreself... 1-In Europe, more then 2300 official games of soccer are played through europe, with often more than 60.000 fans
51 Post contains images Scorpio : Yes, because, as we all know, the news media have a habit of painting realistic pictures of a situation, especially one abroad, and would never ever
52 LTU932 : While it's sad and unfortunate what happened in Catania, somehow when it comes to attendance numbers in Italy, it really doesn't make a difference. Go
53 KROC : Actually I get a lot of Soccer updates from the BBC because violence or not, most American News sorces, like the rest of us don't care about Soccer.
54 Post contains images Banco : Might I suggest you confine your news research to the rest of the world, then?
55 Post contains images TIA : You're making it sound as if police officers are being killed every day in soccer games. This is an extremely rare occurrence. If you don't know anyt
56 Scorpio : I think the mere arrogance of believing you can judge a sport you don't know the first thing about, and all those who like it, based on zero personal
57 Post contains images KROC : Nice.   How is it okay for you and your brethren to judge American sports, yet when I do it, you get pissed off. Hell, at least I KNOW something abo
58 SASlover : Actually Di Canio got lots of fines for doing it. But he stopped doing it after many fines and got threatened to get expelled. But nevertheless Di Ca
59 Scorpio : I'm sure you'll point out to me now where it is that I ever 'judged' American sports to anywhere near the extent you've spit your ill-informed venom
60 KROC : Ill-informed? Sorry pal, I just take what Soccer gives me and it never lets me down! Really? So everything I have siad aobut Soccer and its associate
61 Scorpio : That sentence is a beautiful illustration of the problem with you: the 'never lets me down' part. The part that clearly illustrates that the only soc
62 PC12Fan : True, but occasionally, a city that wins a world championship will trash their city in "celebration" of it.
63 Post contains images L410Turbolet : Suuure.
64 767Lover : If it is just .1%, then why... 1. are you not allowed to sit in the opponent's section of the stadium or cheer for one team while sitting in another
65 Post contains links and images WellHung : Dear KROC, These are all lies. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4238844.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2992422.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2
66 Post contains images Dan2002 : But those are just "small" groups that ruin it for everyone else.
67 Post contains images LTU932 : Very funny.
68 Scorpio : Yes: the 0.1% of fans who come to fight. Do the math yourself: if there are 60.000 spectators at the game, and 60 of them (0.1%) start a fight, you'v
69 Post contains images ZKSUJ : "Soccer in empty stadiums" Sounds like any soccer game in NZ Seriously, it's always a bummer when a few spoil the fun for others, thats what this is a
70 Gkirk : delete please age you were about to post is too short and probably not of any higher value to the topic at hand. You should think long and hard before
71 Post contains images Gkirk : Stope calling it soccer!
72 David L : Has anyone denied there's any violence at football (soccer) matches? How about doing as suggested in some of the threads you obviously didn't read an
73 Post contains images Thom@s : Stope ignoring the spell check. Thom@s  [Edited 2007-02-10 12:46:38]
74 Post contains images Gkirk :
75 Post contains images Thom@s : Damn, you got me... I don't speak Geek... Thom@s
76 767Lover : That's funny, since Reebok Stadium only seats 28,000. If they are letting 60,000 spectators in, they have a bigger problem on their hands than unruly
77 Scorpio : I'm so incredibly sorry for not tailoring my generic numbers, used merely to illustrate a point, to that single specific match that you witnessed, bu
78 Post contains images 767Lover : Nah, it was more fun pointing out how you blew things out of proportion after complaining that the media and others "blow things out of proportion."
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